May be WE are the Jinns/Djinns
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Brother Imran! It was nice to have you to discuss the matter of micro organisms with me. I have now realized that I cannot consider Shaytans as JINNS either. When I reiterated, I found that Iblees was not Shaytan, he was JINN. Shaytan is something external as well internal entity which affects both JINNS and INS. It is a different entity and is appointed by Allah to seal the hearts/Qalbs of disblievers thus by increasing Mardh in their hearts/Qalbs. Nowhere is mentioned that Iblees was JINN or Shaytan was among the progeny of Iblees.
please review ( , Az-Zukhruf, Chapter #43, Verse #36)Peace!
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it WAS my view earlier. Now I have a view that we are JINNS. It were we, the JINN people who worked for prophet Suleman. And who knows that Noah, David and Suleman and Moses and Harun were among JINN Prophets. Maybe Maryam and Isa A.S were also JINNs. HUMAN Beings were giants and the last ones of them were killed during or after Musa A.S period, Bani Israel saw them and were afraid of them. Interestingly, old scriptures and Muslim (sectarian) have traditions that when ADAM was sent to the Earth, HE was very tall in height. It is probable that we JINNS were like ants to earliest HUMAN beings and they couldn't see us under their feet.
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this same concept is also in the followers of ghulam ahmed qadiani , once i have a long discussion with one of them and he told me in the same way...(it was a face to face discussion)
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Brother Imran! It was nice to have you to discuss the matter of micro organisms with me. I have now realized that I cannot consider Shaytans as JINNS either. When I reiterated, I found that Iblees was not Shaytan, he was JINN. Shaytan is something external as well internal entity which affects both JINNS and INS. It is a different entity and is appointed by Allah to seal the hearts/Qalbs of disblievers thus by increasing Mardh in their hearts/Qalbs. Nowhere is mentioned that Iblees was JINN or Shaytan was among the progeny of Iblees.
please review ( , Az-Zukhruf, Chapter #43, Verse #36)Peace!
peace brother i m not sure whats the link between microscopic life vs invisible beings the purpose of telling this was to understand that the human eye have limit of sight/view from microscopic to telescopic and intrestingly both of these limits even with help of microscope and telescope is not the end , a single cell contain millions of mysteries inside
i once watched a documentary regarding the automated functions by different cells and it was really very very interesting to know the cellls what create the gap between fingers of hand and feet .. its called killing/accomplishing/shaping cells that work in such a way to create a gap between our fingers due i mean when cells developed from singularity to multiplication of body the (shaping cells) exactly know when and where they need to perform the functions .. let say if a shaping cell act in belly instead of fingers then its not possible for a human to come into being .. lot of other things in cells like the cells what manage to shape your eyes its quite interesting to see how every cell and microscopic life works
a recent interview with the microbiologist on cnn i see an amazing findings in her research she said just in one single cell there is a full universe where small and large shape of cells killing, reproducing , moving like a pattern like we observe in our lives ...
BOLD 1850 When We said to the controllers "Submit to Adam." They all submitted except ibless, he was of the Jinn, so he disobeyed the order of his Lord. "Will you take him and his progeny as allies besides Me, while they are your enemy?"
what you ll gona say about this verse which confirm he was off jinns isnt it?
u know when there is something mysterious/hidden/ghaib then theories vary from individual to individual and nobody can prove or disprove it on the merit of proving things related with matter.. so our approach is not correct first we need to make something
u know in these days there is a popular tv show is going on air at ARY digital named as "andheka wajood"= unseen being
in which two experts use devices to prove the existence of something other than human/animal i mean there instruments show indication when they feel a presence .. i dnt know its true or not and they visited so called haunted places -
I believe that we are given a tremendous deal of knowledge in Al-Quran. Even about death and after death experiences. Don't you believe me? Read Quran, please! 497 for example.
Through Quran, I even know about the hereafter, which may come tomorrow or after a few years or even after a few centuries or millennium. I know what will happen.Peace!
peace we only know what he already told us by laws .. 4 97 is telling a situation honestly i m also thinking beside what the interpretation of quran is telling about these situations like hell i even ask from other members and there is something what i cant get it .. like boiling water or fluid that cut up the intestines, skin reincarnation when its cooked properly, the throne tree in fire etc etc.. but linguistic experts see it as a metaphor..
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609512.msg406256#msg406256
look this thread for more info.coming back to your original query yeh we can guess the future (not certain)
we can also predict the future with tools like weather forecasting ,snow falling etcwe can also predict what team will win depend on the players ,
we can also fix a match and can predict (certain future)but still are we in control of future? .. what if the rain stop the match and the prediction get invalid by a fixer ?
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Thank you for sharing the vid brother Imran! But my question is still there. Are we HUMAN or JINN? What proves that We are HUMAN and not JINN.
If everything in Quran is metaphoric then there is no believer on the Earth. I promise you. Because if you cannot understand what is revealed for common HUMAN & JINN it should easily be understandable. Remember it is not for highly intellectual or a specific group of beings.
BOLD 1850 When We said to the controllers "Submit to Adam." They all submitted except ibless, he was of the Jinn, so he disobeyed the order of his Lord. "Will you take him and his progeny as allies besides Me, while they are your enemy?"
what you ll gona say about this verse which confirm he was off jinns isnt it?
Iblees is of JINNS for sure but Shaitan is not. Malaikah and Ruh are also different entities. Shaitan is among the microscopic organisms (if I am true). We are descendants of Iblees and Noah. We are not descendants of Adam/INS or who were carried with Noah. Just we do not want to believe that we are JINNs because of the incomplete/modified history and education system imposed upon us by our people of knowledge and power.
Peace!
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this same concept is also in the followers of ghulam ahmed qadiani , once i have a long discussion with one of them and he told me in the same way...(it was a face to face discussion)
OH! I never knew that. Maybe I should check their teachings regarding JINNs. Thanks!
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shaitain is an adjective my brother can be used for both human and jinns even for animals...
about your question are we jinn or human.. lets analyse it
human = visible being
jinn = invisible beingproperties of human ( intellect+body) consist of water and clay and its also testable
properties of jinn ( invisible from human eye) consist of energy and its not testable in laboratoryand all this is as per quranic lens..
we are not claiming anything right so.. these are just quranic terms for both beings which indicate that quran seperate these beings ... a human cant b jinnn according to quranic lens..
God knows best.. but you can understand it whatever way you want .. science dnt have any clues about jinn apart from enerygy plasma
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about your question are we jinn or human.. lets analyse it
human = visible being
jinn = invisible beingproperties of human ( intellect+body) consist of water and clay and its also testable
properties of jinn ( invisible from human eye) consist of energy and its not testable in laboratoryand all this is as per quranic lens..
we are not claiming anything right so.. these are just quranic terms for both beings which indicate that quran seperate these beings ... a human cant b jinnn according to quranic lens..
God knows best.. but you can understand it whatever way you want .. science dnt have any clues about jinn apart from enerygy plasma
What quranic lens tells you that jinn = invisible being?
science have proven a countless invisible things like energy, composition of air, properties of noble gases, time, space, black matter etc etc. Why it can't prove jinns then? -
What quranic lens tells you that jinn = invisible being?
search the root and you will get to know
(invisible being) for human eye .. not necessarily invisible from everything like malaikawhat i m telling you is not that i m claiming it i m telling you methodolgy of seperating things and in quran thats how language expert see these two beings.. hope you got it now
science have proven a countless invisible things like energy, composition of air, properties of noble gases, time, space, black matter etc etc. Why it can't prove jinns then?
you forget to add vaccum lol
and science will discover more invisible things in near future if God willing..
science dnt know what jinn is.. let say in near future science discover something and give that thing a name like dark smoke and lets say this dark smoke is actually a jinn what quran is telling us..
still science will call it dark smoke (not jinn)example dark energy and dark matter compose 97% of whole universe if i m not wrong.. ( infront of science its just a dark energy ) but what if the dark energy is malaika or controllers ? (interestingly there are lot of mysteires regarding dark matter and dark enerygy science just dnt have clue how its all working and who is controlling it) which indirectly indicate the finger towards God and controllers are responsible for lot of things as per quranic lens so its pretty possible isnt it
its also possible science already proved the exisctence of jinn but we percievce it not i e (plasma)
its easy if we go like
body (material) with a character = human
energy (not material) with a character = jinnwe human carry our character in body make up of dust and water and its testable in lab..
and jinn keep their character in energy (unknown) you already see science proved energy its exist but we cant see it..intresting thing to note is dnt get confuse which energy jinns characters are using same like even after we know about our bodies are made up from dust and water but its not like the dust and water what we experienced in our daily life , i mean our body is not leaking like water and spreading here and there like dust ... so same goes with energy of jinns its not like kinetic or potential energy what we observe ... yes
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search the root and you will get to know
(invisible being) for human eye .. not necessarily invisible from everything like malaikawhat i m telling you is not that i m claiming it i m telling you methodolgy of seperating things and in quran thats how language expert see these two beings.. hope you got it now
Seaching the root = Quranic Lens?you forget to add vaccum lol
I thought it would fall under "etc. etc.". Please see my comment again.and science will discover more invisible things in near future if God willing..
science dnt know what jinn is.. let say in near future science discover something and give that thing a name like dark smoke and lets say this dark smoke is actually a jinn what quran is telling us..
still science will call it dark smoke (not jinn)example dark energy and dark matter compose 97% of whole universe if i m not wrong.. ( infront of science its just a dark energy ) but what if the dark energy is malaika or controllers ? (interestingly there are lot of mysteires regarding dark matter and dark enerygy science just dnt have clue how its all working and who is controlling it) which indirectly indicate the finger towards God and controllers are responsible for lot of things as per quranic lens so its pretty possible isnt it
its also possible science already proved the exisctence of jinn but we percievce it not i e (plasma)
its easy if we go like
body (material) with a character = human
energy (not material) with a character = jinnwe human carry our character in body make up of dust and water and its testable in lab.. Are you really made of dust/mud and water? And what is used for other mammals. Please consult with a scientist... or perhaps consult with a psychatrist.
and jinn keep their character in energy (unknown) you already see science proved energy its exist but we cant see it..intresting thing to note is dnt get confuse which energy jinns characters are using same like even after we know about our bodies are made up from dust and water but its not like the dust and water what we experienced in our daily life , i mean our body is not leaking like water and spreading here and there like dust ... so same goes with energy of jinns its not like kinetic or potential energy what we observe ... yes
You are talking about unknown energy in regards with JINNs again and again. Maybe you have the verse 9615 in mind. 'From Marij" means 'from a mixture' which is 'from Fire' (that does not make it only fire). What other ingredients were added? Maybe the same which was used for INS/Adam in previous verse 9614. Well, I am not sure if it was the only ingredient. Please also check this link
http//www.independent.co.uk/news/science/what-the-human-body-is-made-of-a7173301.html
@Imran Please see my comments in red, above.
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Salamun Alaikum! Brothers and Sister!
Knowledge is something what we obtain in the result of some questioning to ourselves or to the people around us. Most probably everyone of us has the first question to himself/herself is "WHO AM I or WHAT I AM"? Identifying our own selves is of much importance in our LIVES. When I questioned myself the same question, I got no satisfactory answer. Everything I learnt and believed was from the sayings of others around me which look like MYSELF. They told me that I am a HUMAN BEING and I was satisfied with such witnesses. But when I started researching Quran and learnt that everything requires proof. We should deny the Hadiths of People and get proof from Quran or some said evidence from science is required. So this question again raised to my mind. Do I have a proof that I am a HUMAN? Maybe I am a JINN.
A majority of people thinks that JINNS are shape shifter. Let's watch a few images of 'facial expression' with the help of Google Images and see for ourselves. Are we shape shifter JINNS?
Some say we cannot see JINNS. Why? Because WE are JINNS?Peace to all!
Peace TellMeTheTruth, as per my understanding there are two on earth
to be judged by Allah, humans and jinns. Both are in physical form.46/29
Behold, We turned towards thee a company of Jinns listening to the
Quran when they stood in the presence thereof, they said, "Listen in silence!"
When finished, they returned to their people, to warn.46/30
They said, "O our people! We have heard a Book revealed after Moses, confirming
what came before it it guides to the Truth and to a Straight Path.46/31
"O our people, hearken to the one who invites (you) to Allah, and believe in him
He will forgive you your faults, and deliver you from a Penalty Grievous.= qawmihim = their people..... is this translation correct!
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Peace TellMeTheTruth, as per my understanding there are two on earth
to be judged by Allah, humans and jinns. Both are in physical form.46/29
Behold, We turned towards thee a company of Jinns listening to the
Quran when they stood in the presence thereof, they said, "Listen in silence!"
When finished, they returned to their people, to warn.46/30
They said, "O our people! We have heard a Book revealed after Moses, confirming
what came before it it guides to the Truth and to a Straight Path.46/31
"O our people, hearken to the one who invites (you) to Allah, and believe in him
He will forgive you your faults, and deliver you from a Penalty Grievous.= qawmihim = their people..... is this translation correct!
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Salam Brother!
Thank you for your input. You are right that at the time Quran revealed, there were 2 of JINN and INS . This event is also mentioned in Surah 72. However, I think we have eliminated INS from the earth.
Can you tell me for sure if JINN/Iblees was created BEFORE or WITH ADAM? Hope the answer would be helpful to me.
Peace!
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@Imran Please see my comments in red, above.
Peace!
your comments shows me a a jinn is here by a different id.. possibly (MOF) God knows best thats just my opinion
and when we stick to quran only definations of jinn it appears to the experts that these are two different beings... some of the verses of quran (quranic lens) thats what i mean by quranic lens
about root jnn = hidden from eyes/invisible .. (if something else then show me)
and i can also give u a plantey of advices to see pyscatrist or see paranormal expert or see some jinn catcher or see if he take ur jinn out your body or not ( but i m not giving any advice to you )
some quranic lens which differentiate jinn from human
"I did not create the Jinn and the humans except to serve Me." (5156)
"He created the human from a clay, like pottery. And the Jinn He created from a smokeless fire." (5514-15)
"And We have created man from a clay hardened and shaped. And the Jinn, We created him before that from the fire of the fierce hot winds." (1526-27)
oh yeh i forget to add jinns are able to travel the heavens according to chapter 72 -8And we touched the heavens i hope at that time of revelation there was not any space travel introduced.. so whats this ?
NOTE do you think that author of quran is stupid and want to make us confuse by telling different properties and different abilities in both beings
and obviously this discussion is based on what quran states not what i claim.
Are you really made of dust/mud and water?
do u have a basic knowledge of biology?
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Salam @borther Imran!
Thank you for reminding me of the verse about creation of JINNs before MAN. I will also check verses which mention Dust and Mud and etc. I will be reviewing all my other points and would share an updated version of my initial post within a few days. Thanks again!
Science is not much necessary for my salvation, however, it is helpful sometimes to understand Quran's message. Quran does not confuse those who seek Guidance through it. It is our understanding and memory which is not perfect, thus we get confused often.
Peace!
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Salam!
After all, I found this verse, which says that every living thing is created from water. So what would be the combination of water and fire - Steam?
ARE, THEN, they who are bent on denying the truth not aware that the heavens and the earth were one single entity, which We then parted asunder? ? and We made from water every living thing? Will they not, then, believe?
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Salam!
After all, I found this verse, which says that every living thing is created from water. So what would be the combination of water and fire - Steam?
ARE, THEN, they who are bent on denying the truth not aware that the heavens and the earth were one single entity, which We then parted asunder? ? and We made from water every living thing? Will they not, then, believe?
Yes TellMeTheTruth the translators translate (mm r jm)
as "smokeless fire" in 55/15 but you be the judge"He created the human from a clay, like pottery. And the Jinn He created from
a smokeless fire." (5514-15)= Miim-Ra-Jiim = pasture, maraja = mixed (one thing with another),
flow & flow freely (as separate entities), set forth, mariija = marred/spoiled
/corrupted/impaired/disturbed/unsteady/confused.maraja vb. (1)
perf. act. 2553, 5519marij n.m. 5515
marij n.m. 505
marjan n.m. 5522, 5558
LL, V7, p 232 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=mrj
Arabic speaking folks help me out here!
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My current hypothesis Humans are made up of two groups al jinni and al insi. Al jinni are the members of the black race.
Jiim-Nun-Nun (root of jinn) = veiled/concealed/covered/hid/protected (e.g. cloth, armour, grave, shield), invisible, become dark/posessed, darkness of night, bereft of reason, mad/insane/unsound in mind/intellect, confusedness.
Become thick/full-grown/blossom, herbage, garden.Also, according to mainstream science, blacks were created before Caucasoids and Mongoloids. Quran mentions al jinni being created before Adam. In my opinion Adam represents the first Caucasoid man or the first Caucasoid men.
Perhaps al insi are all Caucasoid and Mongoloid people and bani Adam are only the Caucasoid people
Many people conflate al ins and al insan.
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Jiim-Nun-Nun (root of jinn) = veiled/concealed/covered/hid/protected (e.g. cloth, armour, grave, shield), invisible, become dark/posessed, darkness of night, bereft of reason, mad/insane/unsound in mind/intellect, confusedness.
Become thick/full-grown/blossom, herbage, garden.Salam, Progressive1993!
On what bases you have chosen only these 'bold' meanings of this root?
If we think the Ins and Jinn are groups of human then let's also take all other meanings in consideration- Veiled/concealed/hid/protected (e.g., cloth, armour, grave, shield) There were some human species who knew how to camouflage them and/or able to use armour/cloth/shield and were used to bury their dead i.e. making graves.
- Invisible It might also mean that they were not civilized and lived in caves/deep forests or hidden/dark places.
- become dark and darkness of night Maybe they used to do hunting etc. during the night time or invaded civilized people by night time in order to get food etc.
- possessed/bereft of reason, mad/insane/unsound in mind/intellect, confusedness It might mean that their brains were not fully developed or the brains were of fully grown but their intellect was lesser than other human species.
- Become thick/full-grown/blossom Their bodies were of a strong-built or have grown in population.
- Herbage/garden It might also indicate that they were mostly herbivores and their teeth were not fit for meat eating. Or may be they invade civilized people in order to get food from their gardens/fields.
Let's see which homo species fit all these meanings.
Peace!
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Then members of the black race had already sought to touch heaven before Muhammad's time and found it filled with flames (72 So beat the white Russians and Americans to space by several thousand years?
Salam Amra94!
I do not believe in RACE system because all MAN and JINNs would be equally responsible for their own deeds/actions.
Secondly, if they said they touched heaven, it might not be a true saying. Because- When Iblees said that he was better than Adam, was he telling a Truth? He was a which also means someone who speaks without sound knowledge/intellect etc.
- When Pharaoh asked Haman to built him some high structure so that he could see Musa's God, was he telling the Truth?
- When Solomon died and JINNs came to know that they have no knowledge of the Ghaib/unseen so Allah proved them wrong in their sayings.
And their a few more examples, which I can put here. Anyway, one cannot be sure that whether the JINNs touched the heaven or not. I think JINNs told lies to MEN in order to overcome them or make them astray from right path.
Peace!