May be WE are the Jinns/Djinns
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Salam @borther Imran!
Thank you for reminding me of the verse about creation of JINNs before MAN. I will also check verses which mention Dust and Mud and etc. I will be reviewing all my other points and would share an updated version of my initial post within a few days. Thanks again!
Science is not much necessary for my salvation, however, it is helpful sometimes to understand Quran's message. Quran does not confuse those who seek Guidance through it. It is our understanding and memory which is not perfect, thus we get confused often.
Peace!
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Salam!
After all, I found this verse, which says that every living thing is created from water. So what would be the combination of water and fire - Steam?
ARE, THEN, they who are bent on denying the truth not aware that the heavens and the earth were one single entity, which We then parted asunder? ? and We made from water every living thing? Will they not, then, believe?
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Salam!
After all, I found this verse, which says that every living thing is created from water. So what would be the combination of water and fire - Steam?
ARE, THEN, they who are bent on denying the truth not aware that the heavens and the earth were one single entity, which We then parted asunder? ? and We made from water every living thing? Will they not, then, believe?
Yes TellMeTheTruth the translators translate (mm r jm)
as "smokeless fire" in 55/15 but you be the judge"He created the human from a clay, like pottery. And the Jinn He created from
a smokeless fire." (5514-15)= Miim-Ra-Jiim = pasture, maraja = mixed (one thing with another),
flow & flow freely (as separate entities), set forth, mariija = marred/spoiled
/corrupted/impaired/disturbed/unsteady/confused.maraja vb. (1)
perf. act. 2553, 5519marij n.m. 5515
marij n.m. 505
marjan n.m. 5522, 5558
LL, V7, p 232 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=mrj
Arabic speaking folks help me out here!
peace
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My current hypothesis Humans are made up of two groups al jinni and al insi. Al jinni are the members of the black race.
Jiim-Nun-Nun (root of jinn) = veiled/concealed/covered/hid/protected (e.g. cloth, armour, grave, shield), invisible, become dark/posessed, darkness of night, bereft of reason, mad/insane/unsound in mind/intellect, confusedness.
Become thick/full-grown/blossom, herbage, garden.Also, according to mainstream science, blacks were created before Caucasoids and Mongoloids. Quran mentions al jinni being created before Adam. In my opinion Adam represents the first Caucasoid man or the first Caucasoid men.
Perhaps al insi are all Caucasoid and Mongoloid people and bani Adam are only the Caucasoid people
Many people conflate al ins and al insan.
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Jiim-Nun-Nun (root of jinn) = veiled/concealed/covered/hid/protected (e.g. cloth, armour, grave, shield), invisible, become dark/posessed, darkness of night, bereft of reason, mad/insane/unsound in mind/intellect, confusedness.
Become thick/full-grown/blossom, herbage, garden.Salam, Progressive1993!
On what bases you have chosen only these 'bold' meanings of this root?
If we think the Ins and Jinn are groups of human then let's also take all other meanings in consideration- Veiled/concealed/hid/protected (e.g., cloth, armour, grave, shield) There were some human species who knew how to camouflage them and/or able to use armour/cloth/shield and were used to bury their dead i.e. making graves.
- Invisible It might also mean that they were not civilized and lived in caves/deep forests or hidden/dark places.
- become dark and darkness of night Maybe they used to do hunting etc. during the night time or invaded civilized people by night time in order to get food etc.
- possessed/bereft of reason, mad/insane/unsound in mind/intellect, confusedness It might mean that their brains were not fully developed or the brains were of fully grown but their intellect was lesser than other human species.
- Become thick/full-grown/blossom Their bodies were of a strong-built or have grown in population.
- Herbage/garden It might also indicate that they were mostly herbivores and their teeth were not fit for meat eating. Or may be they invade civilized people in order to get food from their gardens/fields.
Let's see which homo species fit all these meanings.
Peace!
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Then members of the black race had already sought to touch heaven before Muhammad's time and found it filled with flames (72 So beat the white Russians and Americans to space by several thousand years?
Salam Amra94!
I do not believe in RACE system because all MAN and JINNs would be equally responsible for their own deeds/actions.
Secondly, if they said they touched heaven, it might not be a true saying. Because- When Iblees said that he was better than Adam, was he telling a Truth? He was a which also means someone who speaks without sound knowledge/intellect etc.
- When Pharaoh asked Haman to built him some high structure so that he could see Musa's God, was he telling the Truth?
- When Solomon died and JINNs came to know that they have no knowledge of the Ghaib/unseen so Allah proved them wrong in their sayings.
And their a few more examples, which I can put here. Anyway, one cannot be sure that whether the JINNs touched the heaven or not. I think JINNs told lies to MEN in order to overcome them or make them astray from right path.
Peace!
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726 "There were men among Eurasian/Caucasoid peoples who used to seek help from the men among the African/Negroid* peoples, but they only helped increase them in confusion."
*Trigger warning this is a scientific term, not a racial slur
Are there men among "invisible beings" or "plasma beings" like there are men among al insi? Clearly, al insi can see and interact with al jinni.
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https//topicsfromquran.wordpress.com/2018/06/10/who-are-jinns-as-per-quran/
The link to this post reviews Ayas related to 'Who are Jinns' in Quran.
Thanks for posting this compendium of jinns mentionned int he Qur'an. The data supporting an existence akin to humans is overwhelming indeed.
A commendable and useful study.
I think however that this study, unfortunately has inherited from a convention that I do not think is qur'anic at all and it is the attribution of viceregency to humans.
I think that was a self-serving arrangement of vocabulary to flatter humans and with the aid of that flattering introduce a concept of somebody as in place of God, viceregent. Whereas when the prophet died, what was chosen was not a viceregent but a successor to the Prophet in his capacity as rular not as prophet. A jalifa is a successor. There is nothing int he useage and meaning of the root and its vocabulary to make a successor a vice-regent
Therefore, going back to the jinn question, the human kind were not eceregents but successors to previous bashar, humanities of other species or subspecies. In fact i has been found that the present humanity or part of it is by different strains of "humans", namely we have a percentage of neanderthal.
That makes all that is gained in the article regarding the relatedness of jinns and human very clearly point to previous humans subspecies. We are homo sapiens, those were others. In that sense the word the root j-n-n seems to point to beings that are in different habitats or that keep to different environments as men, that is who are not ordinarily perceived, not because of being invisible or fiery, but because they keep to their own "world" and we to ours, but it does not mean that that condition was meant to be forever.
In fact this is a very interesting question. Many humanities may have dissappeared but it is also quite possible that by mixing all of them are still present in today's humanity. so that the world of the "jinn" of a certain time are no longer the jinn. Finally the word does not point to the nature of the thing but to a trait, that of being hidden or non perceived. The powerful may be so today.
Salaam