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The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah.

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  • Emre_1974trE Offline
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    Peace Emre.
    So Beni Israeel were given the Torah and Injeel at the same time?

    Or what is your explanation?
    GOD bless you.
    Peace.

    Hi,

    Not at the same time, but recently.

    Thus it was also reported that the temporary penalties / haram were removed. Because the punishment was only for the community. Their children and grandchildren were innocent.

    Peace

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      And that explains why Osiris and Horus stories look like Jesus ' life story.

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        124 When Joseph said to his father "My father, I have seen eleven planets and the sun and the moon, I saw them prostrating before me."

        12100 He raised his parents on the throne, and all fell in prostration before Him. He said, "My father, this is the interpretation of my old dream. My Lord has made it true, and He has been good to me that he took me out of prison and brought you out of the wilderness after the devil had placed a rift between me and my brothers. My Lord is kind to whom He wills. He is the Knowledgeable, the Wise."

        Joseph's mother lives and his dream came true.

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          How the Quran Corrects the Bible

          https//quranbible.org/english.htm

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            The story of a former christian youth minister

            https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=P912yw0Wc5M

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              "The question still remains, why are more women converting than men to Islam ?
              Perhaps they realize their Soul is worth the Factual Research.

              1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original
                Sinners, (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden
                tree){Genesis 24-324}. The Koran Clarifies it
                was Adam Not Eve {Qur'an 719-25}

              2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a
                loss" {Ecclesiasticus 223}. The Qur'an says both
                are an Equal Blessing { Qur'an 4249}

              3. The Bible Forbids Women from Speaking in
                church {I Corinthians 1434-35}. The Qur'an says
                Women Can argue with the Prophet {581}

              4. In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as
                an Adulteress, while men are not {Matthew 531-32}. The
                Koran does Not have Biblical double standards
                { Qur'an 3021}

              5. In The Bible, Widows and Sisters do Not
                Inherit Any Property or Wealth, Only men
                do{Numbers 271-11}The Koran Abolished this
                male greediness { Qur'an 422} and God Protects
                All.

              6. The Bible Allows Multiple Wives{I Kings 113}
                In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only
                under certain situations (with the Wife's
                permission)and Prefers you Marry Only One
                Wife{ Qur'an 43} The Koran gives the Woman
                the Right to Choose who to Marry.

              7. "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not
                pledged to be married and rapes her and they are
                discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty
                shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he
                has violated her. He can never divorce her as long
                as he lives" {Deuteronomy 2228-30}
                One must ask a simple question here, who is
                really punished, the man who raped the woman or
                the woman who was raped? According to the
                Bible, you have to spend the Rest of Your Life
                with the man who Raped You.

              Would the Christian men Reading this prefer the
              Women they know to Be Christian or Muslim?

              1. The Bible also asks Women to wear veils as in
                Islam {I Corinthians 113-10}, this lowers the
                chance of rape, (God Forbid), see statistic link
                below.

              2. Women were given rights to Vote less than a
                100 years ago in the (US), while the Quran (423 gave
                Women Voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.

              3. Islam has unconfined Women and has given them
                the human right to reach for the sky. There have been
                Muslim Women Presidents through out the centuries,
                but to this date, the oppressive mentality of the
                men in the Western U.S.A. has stopped any Women from becoming
                Presidents in predominately Christian countries,
                while the Muslim countries have voted for and
                elected Female Presidents."

              https//jews-for-allah.org/Why-Believe-in-Allah/Jewish-Women-Converting-to-Islam.htm

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                Errancy; Children are born pure, without sin XE "sin" (Leviticus 1144, 192, 207) Vs Children are born wicked sinners (Psalms 583)

                Excuse; That is what it says but that is not what it means. (Psalms 583) is speaking about the potential to commit sin XE "sin" , not being an actual sinner.

                Rebuttal (See Reply letter in Rebuttal Chart). The language and context used is that of one who is a sinner, not of one who will be a sinner.

                ?The wicked are estranged from the womb? -not- ?will be? (future tense), instead ?are? (present tense)

                ?they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.?

                not will go astray as adults.

                Furthermore, Paul also adopts the absurdity that children are sinners by claiming;

                ?Wherefore, as by one man sin XE "sin" entered into the world, and death XE "death" by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned? (Romans 512)

                Correction The Quran corrects the fallacy that children are inherently evil or have contracted sin XE "sin" of previous generations;

                ?We have indeed created man in the best of moulds.? (Quran 954)

                "Say, "Shall I seek other than God as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" Every person earns what is for it, and none will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you regarding your disputes " (Quran 6164)

                " If you reject, then know that God is in no need of you, and He dislikes rejection for His servants. If you are appreciative, He is pleased for you. None shall bear the burdens of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you of everything you had done. He is fully aware of what is inside the chests." (Quran 397)

                https//quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618

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                  "Errancy; Women are not property, except in the Bible (Exodus 217-11) A father can sell a daughter into slavery XE "slavery" to pay a debt. A daughter sold into slavery is not released at the end of six years as is an ordinary male slave.

                  Excuse; None available.

                  Correction Fortunately, for all of us, God gave us our rights and freedom in the Quran over 1400 years ago. We do not have to be enslaved to the laws of the Bible

                  God says ?O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women XE "women" against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.? (Quran 419)

                  Regarding a parent?s debt or poverty, we are commanded in the Quran not to slay children to alleviate poverty

                  ?Say Come I will recite what your Lord has forbidden to you-(remember) that you do not associate anything with Him and show kindness to your parents, and do not slay your children for (fear XE "fear" of) poverty - We provide for you and for them? (Quran 6151)"

                  https//quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618

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                    Quran 954 We have created the human being in the best form.

                    Quran 4118 God has cursed him; and he had said, "I will take from Your servants a sizeable portion."

                    Quran 4119 "I will misguide them and make them desire, and I will command them, so that they will mark the ears of the livestock, and I will command them so they will make change to God's creation." Whoever takes the devil as a supporter other than God, then he has indeed lost a great loss.

                    Human circumcision is out of religious/Islam.

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                      Errancy; In the Biblical version, almost all prophets seem to commit major sins in faith and moral standing. Within the Bible, some of the shameful deeds attributed to prophets include; Aaron XE "Aaron" ?s idol worship;

                      ?Aaron XE "Aaron" said to people of Israel XE "Israel" , ?take off the rings of Gold which are in the ears of your wives, your sons and your daughters.? So they took off the rings of gold, and brought them to Aaron. And he received the golf at their hand and fashioned it with a graving tool and made a molten calf and they said, ?These are your Gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt.? (Exodus. 322)

                      Excuse; None available.

                      Correction The Biblical concept of prophet hood is also radically different from the one presented in the Quran. The Quran depicts prophets as the best model of piety and moral uprightness. The Quran refutes this claim against Aaron XE "Aaron" ;

                      ?(Allah) said ?We have tested thy people in thy absence the Samiri has led them astray.? So Moses XE "Moses" returned to his people in a state of indignation and sorrow. He said ?O my people! did not your Lord make a handsome promise to you? Did then the promise seem to you long (in coming)? Or did ye desire that Wrath should descend from your Lord on you, and so ye broke your promise to me??

                      ?They said ?We broke not the promise to thee, as far as lay in our power but we were made to carry the weight of the ornaments of the (whole) people, and we threw them (into the fire), and that was what the Samiri suggested.

                      ?Then he brought out (of the fire) before the (people) the image of a calf It seemed to low so they said This is your god, and the god of Moses XE "Moses" , but (Moses) has forgotten! Could they not see that it could not return them a word (for answer), and that it had no power either to harm them or to do them good??

                      ?Aaron XE "Aaron" had already, before this said to them ?O my people! ye are being tested in this for verily your Lord is (Allah) Most Gracious; so follow me and obey my command. They had said ?We will not abandon this cult, but we will devote ourselves to it until Moses XE "Moses" returns to us. (Moses) said ?O Aaron! what kept thee back, when thou sawest them going wrong, from following me? Didst thou then disobey my order??

                      ?(Aaron XE "Aaron" ) replied ?O son of my mother! Seize (me) not by my beard nor by (the hair of) my head! Truly I feared lest thou shouldst say, ?Thou has caused a division among the children of Israel XE "Israel" , and thou didst not respect my word!?? (Quran 2085-94)

                      The Quran clears Aaron XE "Aaron" of participation in the making and worshipping of the golden calf as the Bible portrays. The Quran illuminates the fact that Aaron was simply not as strong as Moses XE "Moses" , being the weaker brother of Moses; Aaron could not control the Israelites as Moses could, despite pleas by Aaron for the Israelites to stop.

                      ?Not a messenger did We send before thee without this inspiration sent by Us to him that there is no god but I; therefore worship and serve Me. And they say ?(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten offspring.? Glory to Him! They are (but) servants raised to honor. They speak not before He speaks, and they act (in all things) by His Command.? (Quran 2125-27)

                      https//quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618

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                        This is how the Quran (sound argument) confirms and correct previous texts, including the laws and all epistemological texts whatsoever etc ... "He made all gods same god 385"

                        https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33021466_2103024859914094_2534401368907579392_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=d3d9c4f7a507de6b14d7dbc10efe53bc&oe=5CE35016

                        Say ‘We believe in that which has been revealed to us and was revealed to you. Our God and your God is one and the same. To Him we submit as Muslims ( = make peace with Natural Order or Interpretation / Nature).‘ (2946)

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                          Errancy; Trees were created before man was created (Genesis 111-12, 26-27) Vs Man was created before trees were created. (Genesis 24-9)

                          Excuse; None available.

                          Correction We see that the sequence is outlined correctly and without discrepancy in the Quran

                          ?Is not He (best) who created the heavens and the earth XE "earth" , and sendeth down for you water from the sky wherewith We cause to spring forth joyous orchards, whose trees it never hath been yours to cause to grow. Is there any God beside Allah? Nay, but they are folk who ascribe equals (unto Him)!? (Quran 2760)

                          ?Hast thou not seen that unto Allah payeth adoration whosoever is in the heavens and whosoever is in the earth XE "earth" , and the sun, and the moon, and the stars, and the hills, and the trees, and the beasts, and many of mankind, while there are many unto whom the doom is justly due. He whom Allah scorneth, there is none to give him honor. Lo! Allah doeth what He will.? (Quran 221

                          https//quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618

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                            "The Bible describes the light of the sun and moon in the following verse

                            God made two great lights?the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

                            What?s interesting is that the same Hebrew word, ?ma?owr?, which means ?light, luminary?, is used to describe the light of both the sun and moon. If this is interpreted literally then it is scientifically inaccurate, as it would indicate that the sun and the moon are similar when it comes to light. The reality is that the sun emits its own light whereas the moon reflects light from the sun, like a mirror. This is exactly how the Qur?an describes the sun and moon

                            Blessed is He who has placed in the sky great stars and placed therein a lamp and luminous moon. "

                            http//www.manyprophetsonemessage.com/2014/06/11/how-the-quran-corrects-the-bible/

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                              "Why Lot?s wife died?"

                              "Errancy; Lot?s wife died a horrible death XE "death" with no valid explanation except that she turned around while the town was being destroyed.

                              According to the Bible, she was righteous and did not deserve to die because the angels XE "angels" of God themselves urged Lot to rescue her;

                              ?With the coming of dawn, the angels XE "angels" urged Lot, saying, ?Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.? (Genesis 1915)

                              As they ran away from their town which was about to be destroyed by God, Lot?s wife turned around (surely a natural reaction, having heard havoc and destruction behind her). When she turned around in the Bible, she was unjustly annihilated;

                              ?But Lot?s wife looked back and was turned into a pillar of salt? (Genesis 1926)

                              Excuse; Lot?s wife was destroyed because she disobeyed the angel who said;

                              ?Run for your lives! Don?t look back and don?t stop in the valley. Run to the hills, so that you won?t be killed.? (Genesis 1917)

                              Rebuttal This is an invalid excuse because Lot did even worse. Lot not only stopped (a direct defiance to the angel?s instructions), but also argued with them;

                              ?But Lot answered, ?No, please don?t make us do that, sir. You have done me a great favor and saved my life. But the hills are too far away; the disaster will overtake me, and I will die before I get there. Do you see that little town? It is near enough. Let me go over there?you can see it is just a small place?and I will be safe.? (Genesis 1918-20)

                              After stopping to argue with the angel, Lot was not destroyed, thus invalidating that excuse. Furthermore, Lot appears suspiciously selfish when arguing with the angel, repeatedly saying, ?so I can be safe?, rather than including his wife who was not killed yet by stating; ?so we can be safe?.

                              Correction What appears as unjustified and incompetence in the Bible (a Prophet and the angels XE "angels" of God could not rescue the wife), is actually comprehended in the Quran. The Quran explains why Prophet Lot?s wife died;

                              ?And We rescued him and his household, except his wife, who was of those who stayed behind.? (Quran 7 83)

                              ?Allah citeth an example for those who disbelieve the wife of Noah XE "Noah" and the wife of Lot, who were under two of our righteous servants yet betrayed them so that they (the husbands availed them naught against Allah and it was said (unto them) Enter the Fire along with those who enter.? (Quran 6610)

                              The Holy Quran explains that the fact of the matter was Lot?s wife stayed a transgressor who was destroyed among the other non-believers of Lot."

                              https//quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948593

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                                God/Allah saying, except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with Big Crunch

                                Quran 21104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.

                                Quran 3967 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.

                                And;

                                heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe

                                Heavens = universes

                                The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.

                                But it is not infinite.

                                Seven universes, for example.

                                Other universes have planets too.

                                Quran 65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.

                                Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe

                                The fake Bible and the Christians have confused the Hereafter universe(Floor of Lord) with our universe.

                                And the False Bible has confused the Earth and the planets of universe of the Hereafter(Floor of Lord).

                                But the Qur'an tells the truth. Our universe and other Universes will be destroyed. Only the afterlife universe(Floor of Lord) will continue to live forever. And we will live not on Earth, but on planets in the Hereafter universe.

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                                  "Reap what you sow?

                                  Contradiction; Some sow wheat but reap thorns. (Jeremiah 1213) Vs Some sow but will not reap anything. (Micah 615) Vs Some reap without sowing. (Matthew 2526, Luke 1922) Vs A man reaps what he sows. (2 Corinthians 96, Galatians 67)

                                  Excuse; The first are materialistic sowing, thus uneven, the last is afterlife spiritual sowing, thus even.

                                  Rebuttal This would be acceptable albeit for the passage stating that the righteous reap what they sow in this life, hence materialistic terms;

                                  “Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth much more the wicked and the sinner.” (Proverbs 1131) because (Matthew 2526, Luke 1922) speaks of the wicked materialistically getting more than the righteous.

                                  Therefore, even if it is in materialistic terms, it is in contradiction to (Proverbs 1131)

                                  Correction The Quran is very clear that humans get what they deserve. In an accountable fashion, God is Fair and Bountiful. People are punished for the bad and greatly rewarded for the good

                                  “Surely Allah does not do injustice to the weight of an atom, and if it is a good deed He multiplies it and gives from Himself a great reward.” (Quran 440)"

                                  http//islamicbook.com/free/200-ways-the-quran-corrects-the-bible/

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                                    "Moses

                                    Name means "newborn" in ancient Egyptian.

                                    The Bible claims that "Moses" is a Hebrew name, however those who named him weren't Hebrew. Pharaoh and his family were Egyptians. Today Egyptologists discovered the Egyptian meaning of the word "Moses"."

                                    http//www.miracles-of-quran.com/moses_name.htm

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                                      "Moses

                                      Name means "newborn" in ancient Egyptian.

                                      The Bible claims that "Moses" is a Hebrew name, however those who named him weren't Hebrew. Pharaoh and his family were Egyptians. Today Egyptologists discovered the Egyptian meaning of the word "Moses"."

                                      http//www.miracles-of-quran.com/moses_name.htm

                                      Mus and his people have nothing to do with ancient egypt. Musa Arabic means blade, like in razor blade, which fits with the profet Musa cut the crap.

                                      Salaam

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                                        In ancient Egypt, the mark of "X" and the symbol of cross-bones in the symbol of an X was very prominent in religious contexts.

                                        https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609989.0

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                                          Moses is an Egyptian, Hebrew or Arabs Name?? rotfl rotfl

                                          It's similar to debating whether Zavier is a Catalan, Basque or Portuguese name...
                                          Or Lee is a Manchu, Hakka or Chinese name...

                                          Even the name/label of Egypt, Misr, Hebrew or Arabs did not exist during Moses time, presumably if he was living around 1300-1500 BC let alone an identity with such name.

                                          This is the political map of https//en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_I6.png?19fechttps//en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_G17.png?3741e https//en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_O49.png?dd778 empire, or latinized "Kemet Empire", (literally "Black Land Empire&quot at it's largest extent around 1500 BC.
                                          Just before the "Bronze Age Collapse"...

                                          https//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Egypt_NK_edit.svg/800px-Egypt_NK_edit.svg.png

                                          Egypt is the name given by the Greeks for Egypt (Aigyptos) commonly used after the fall of Kemet empire to the invasion of Alexander from Macedon, which give birth to Hellenistic Empire of Aigyptos (the era of Ptolemy, Cleopatra etc as it's Pharaoh). Misr / Mizraim is a name given by the (later) Canaanite tribe people for Egypt.

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