Alcohol and more: Khamr, sakaran and misyar
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I saw someone post that 'al misyar' refers to distilled alcohol / liquor. I am not convinced. What do people here think of that?
I also wanted to know the exact meaning of khamr and sakaran. What is the difference? It is quite clear that khamr is liquid and can be pressed and that one can make sakaran from fruit.
Perhaps khamr refers to alcohol and sakaran to wine/fermented alcohol (wine and beer) or vice versa? Or sakaran refers to liquor and khamr to wine/fermented alcohol? Let me know what you think about these three.
Also, in case anyone still thinks alcohol is prohibited, I will post my take below on why this is not true
- Not mentioned as 'haram' nor does it say 'do not drink...'
- Notice that al khamr and al maysir are the only two things mentioned in 591 that are also mentioned in 590. They are given as things that humans use or do. The rest of the things from 590 are not mentioned and are actually forbidden in 53. Al khamr and al misyar are not forbidden anywhere including 53.
- 443
- 1667 (if sakaran is taken as something alcoholic)
- History of Joseph
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I saw someone post that 'al misyar' refers to distilled alcohol / liquor. I am not convinced. What do people here think of that?
Root of is that conveys meaning of "ease" so Maysar could be anything obtained by ease without input of effort i.e proceeds of gambling etc. As per 2219 benefit of these things is small as compared to their damage.
..... 2219
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great "damage" and benefit for people. But their sin "" is greater than their benefit."In 733
Say, "My Lord has only forbidden Al-fawahisha - what is apparent of them and what is concealed - and sin , and oppression without right, and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down authority, and that you say about Allah that which you do not know."
So AL-Kumar and Al-Maysar as "Ithm" are haram as per 733
Also, in case anyone still thinks alcohol is prohibited, I will post my take below on why this is not true
- Not mentioned as 'haram' nor does it say 'do not drink...'
- Notice that al khamr and al maysir are the only two things mentioned in 591 that are also mentioned in 590. They are given as things that humans use or do. The rest of the things from 590 are not mentioned and are actually forbidden in 53. Al khamr and al misyar are not forbidden anywhere including 53.
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The pronoun "HU" in red is singular and hense not referring to four things mentioned. It may refer to "RIJS form action of shaitan" and we are told to stay away from it.
- 443
Sukran is a barrier between you and your mind which hinders you from clear thinking. Toxicants are also called sukran because they effect your thinking.
- 1667 (if sakaran is taken as something alcoholic)
1667 And from the fruits of the palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant (Sakaran) and good provision. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who reason.
It is telling us that you take sakaran and good provision from fruits. So it is our doing with our choice and not that it is recommended or approved.
- History of Joseph
Again in the story of Joseph we are informed that people at that time were engaged in taking sukran by their choice. Which to me is not a permission to do it but a piece of information about those times.
Salaam
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2219 asked they you about l-khamri/the inebriant wal-maysiri/and the wager say in them dual ithmun/detriment great and gains to the humankind and detriment them dual greater from benefit them dual and asked they you what hath spending say the excess like such shows the god for you the signs perhaps you pondering
590-91 O you the ones believes ye of simply l-khamru/the inebriant wal-maysiru/and the wager and the monuments and the arrows filthiness from work the devil so avoids ye him perhaps you succeeding simply intends the devil that cause between you the hostility and the hatred in the inebriant and the wager and hinder you about remembrance the god and from the connection so can be you ceasing?
So AL-Kumar and Al-Maysar as "Ithm" are haram as per 733
Peace, use "context" nor is it rational as "harrama ithma" unconnected rather...
733 say simply harrama/prohibit lord mine
- the immoralities what apparent therein and what unaware
- wal-ithma/and the detriment and the cruelty in other than the right
- and that thou associate ye of with the god what not descended in it authority of
- and that thou speak ye of about the god what not thou knowing
Likewise 4715 ? and rivers from khamrin/inebriant delicious to the drinkers ?
1667 and from fruits the date palms and the grapevines thou taking from it sakaran/intoxicant of and provision of good of indeed in such surely sign for folk reasoning
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Just recently brother Joseph Yaseen Shaer has made a video about Alcohol https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIebuTh0Gkw
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SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great "damage" and benefit for people. But their sin "" is greater than their benefit."In 733
Say, "My Lord has only forbidden Al-fawahisha - what is apparent of them and what is concealed - and sin , and oppression without right, and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down authority, and that you say about Allah that which you do not know."
So AL-Kumar and Al-Maysar as "Ithm" are haram as per 733
(Again in the story of Joseph we are informed that people at that time were engaged in taking sukran by their choice. Which to me is not a permission to do it but a piece of information about those times.
Is this a serious argument or a "novice" argument? It says "in them is ithm" and they are mentioned as things people use and those people are not admonished! Do we have examples of Joseph preparing pork? Khamr (which I think may mean wine or fermented alcohol) is lawful for consumption.
The pronoun "HU" in red is singular and hense not referring to four things mentioned. It may refer to "RIJS form action of shaitan" and we are told to stay away from it.
Shaytan is the last singular word before hu.
Sukran is a barrier between you and your mind which hinders you from clear thinking. Toxicants are also called sukran because they effect your thinking.
No proof given.
1667 And from the fruits of the palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant (Sakaran) and good provision. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who reason.
It is telling us that you take sakaran and good provision from fruits. So it is our doing with our choice and not that it is recommended or approved.
Exactly. Freedom of choice. Freedom to choose to drink alcohol.
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Just recently brother Joseph Yaseen Shaer has made a video about Alcohol https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIebuTh0Gkw
I did not watch the full video, but I looked at the comments.
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I did not watch the full video, but I looked at the comments.
Why?
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I think alcohol should not be banned in any religion.
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https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610016.0
