Do you need witnesses when signing marriage contract?
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As far as I understand, no contract or witnesses are needed, only mithaq/verbal agreement and dowry. Either way, if you live in the U.S. for instance, any woman can screw her husband over with or without a pre-nuptial or other contract. So what practical use is the contract supposed to give? If you commit cuckolding/zina, is someone going to lash you and ask for proof of marriage through the contract?
From http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/muhammad-married-young-girl.htm
I already addressed the verses you quoted and they're not relevant in supporting a marriage contract or witnesses to such a contract.
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By the way, you are marrying a Sunni Muslim, correct?
In general, what do people think of marrying Sunnis?
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Amra you have never been the type to ask help with such things, you are rather the one who provides the inquirers with verses upon verses.
What is going on?
Take your time my friend do not rush. Regain your firmness in the Scripture once again and do not seek an outcome that favors your desires.
There are two evidence for which I would discourage any marriage proceedings to undergo without permission of family or witnesses among the families.
- Quran Surah 425
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=4&verse=25#(42524)
(42524)
bi-idh'ni
with (the) permission P ? prefixed preposition bi
N ? genitive masculine noun(42525)
ahlihinna
(of) their family N ? genitive masculine noun
PRON ? 3rd person feminine plural possessive pronoun- The Quran is specific about representatives from respective families to intervene in case of a divorce as arbitrators. If you proceed without a representative or even a witness, however, then how can your family represent you or support you in the event of a dissension?
Quran Surah 435
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=4&verse=35
- Quran Surah 425
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- Quran Surah 425
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=4&verse=25#(42524)
(42524)
bi-idh'ni
with (the) permission P ? prefixed preposition bi
N ? genitive masculine noun(42525)
ahlihinna
(of) their family N ? genitive masculine noun
PRON ? 3rd person feminine plural possessive pronounThats about marrying slave girls. If everyone needed families permission it would be really hard to get married
- The Quran is specific about representatives from respective families to intervene in case of a divorce as arbitrators. If you proceed without a representative or even a witness, however, then how can your family represent you or support you in the event of a dissension?
Quran Surah 435
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=4&verse=35
Does it have to be family members or can it be other representitives since the word can mean people
- Quran Surah 425
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Thats about marrying slave girls. If everyone needed families permission it would be really hard to get married
So if that is about slave girls, requiring their pursuers to receive permission from their peoples or families, do you think the other women would be exempt? That logic does not follow Amra.
Perhaps it is intended not to be an extremely easy matter. After all, no matter how you look at it marriage is not just between the groom and bride it literally involves both families it is a union of families. It is a serious matter.
Also think about how the acquisition of wealth for a man in order to afford a dowry for a wife is emphasized and portrayed as a feat which would require much patience on behalf of a man. Again it is definitely not intended to be a light matter Amra. Getting permission is something that traditionally every man has done since time immemorial and there have not been shortages of marriages by this requisite.
Just do what Allah commands.Does it have to be family members or can it be other representitives since the word can mean people
Why do you want to exclude your family? Do not proceed without your parents leave
I am very confident the root word used is i this context referring to relatives, you may certainly have friends or family friends which could in my opinion fill this role. However, the tone and context favor someone you are familiar with. Someone who unconditionally supports you.Give charities and hold fast to salat and make duah in humility for a sign from God and guidance in this matter sister
Do not rush -
Does it have to be family members or can it be other representitives since the word can mean people
Exclude your parents since they're oppressing your life. Find someone else that's close to you.
God can see what you're going through, most family loving traditionalists wouldn't understand, props to those who do.After all, no matter how you look at it marriage is not just between the groom and bride it literally involves both families it is a union of families. It is a serious matter.
"No matter how you look at it" What HP_TECH means by this is, your views don't matter so how about seeing it my(HP_TECH) way.
Marriage is between the husband and the wife. Eloping isn't what you like, and it is obvious from your words. Direct your advice to those who have a supportive relationship with their parents.Just do what Allah commands.
In other words, do what HP_TECH says. By the way, It's God or , not Allah.
Amra, proceed without your parents. They're already disobeying God with their actions. You can amicably disregard what they have to say. (Verse 3115)
Do what feels right to you.
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Re slave girls
"Fatayati" are not slave girls. My current view can be found here https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609844.msg412710#msg412710