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First it was Al- LEH, now it is Al- LAH. Everyone pronounces it wrong. It is also written wrong. How to verify what you claim as your understanding? Whereas, I am presenting evidence of linguistic rules after rules. Where there is a lack of rules, presenting rationale and logical interpretation based arguments upon existing linguistic rules.
LAH, what is it's root? What is it's meaning?
Salam check my reply if it answers your question
Salam/Peace i have also checked other lexicons websites
From Al-Maany Arabic dictionary https//www.almaany.com/en/dict/ar-en//?c=Islamic
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- Allah
- name of God among Muslims and among Arabs of all faiths
- God Who has all power; powerful beyond measure; the Greatest
- God (the One and Only)
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authorized ; licensed
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concessionaire ; concessioner ; licensee
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has
- 3rd singular present of have
- own something or have it to use it
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endorsee
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Allah ; Deity ; God (the One and Only) ; the Creator ; the Lord ; the Maker (God)
From Lane's Lexicon
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And this from Lughaat-Al-Quran
A-L-He Ibn Faris writes that it basically means ?to accept someone?s subjugation?. ?? (aleha), ?? (ilaiheh), ? ? (yalah), mean ?to seek some one?s refuge in distress?. ?? (aaleha) also means ?to be surprised?. ?? (aalaha) or ?? (yaloh) ? to give refuge to someone in distress?, or ?to take someone under one?s protection?. As such ? ? means ?to live in some house peacefully?. {T}Under these circumstances, ?? (ilahun) would mean ?someone whose refuge may be sought in danger?, or ?someone who can be requested to save one from difficulties and the concept of whose loftiness surprises one?. Some think that this word has been extracted from ? ? (laha yaleeheh), which means ?to be lofty in stature and be hidden from the naked eye? {T}. Some others say that ?? (alah) ? that person became a slave? and ? ? (al-lahahu) ? he enslaved him?. From this come ?? (taleehun) or ?? (ta?beed) which mean ?to enslave?. Also from this we have ?? (ilah) which as a verb, turns into ?? (maaluhun), as ?kitab? and ?maktoob?) This way, ?? (ilah) would mean ?a being whose rules must be accepted and whose laws must be followed and obeyed?. As such, when the Pharoah told Moosa 2629If you accept someone else as your ?ilah? then I will have you imprisoned Here ?ilah? means someone who is in power. In the same manner, it is said 2543Have you wondered about the man who became subservient to his own desires(emotions)? Similarly, about God it is said 4384He is the One who is in the heights of the skiesas well as the depths of the universe Or, the one who is the ruler of the skies as well as of this world. So the word also means ?the one with power? or ?one who rules?.Since in pagan times, people worshipped the sun and the moon etc. as being powerful, therefore ?? (ilaaha) the moon, while ?? (aalaha) the sun. This way, anything which is worshipped is called ?? (ilah). Even the idols which are worshipped are called ?? (ilah). There is a school of thought that says that Allah is a static word, which has not been derived from any other word, but others say that this word was actually ?+? (al-ilah) that gradually became ?? (Allah) {T}In the noble Quran, the word ?Allah? has been used to describe the identity of Almighty. Therefore, Allah (the Ilah in the Quran) is that lofty being which is hidden from human eyes, but compared to whose Greatness human intellect and comprehension are quite disabled. He is the One who rules the entire universe and whose obedience is a must. And we can obey Him only as per His dictates which He has endowed us with through wahi (Revelation) and which is now capsuled safely in the Quran. As such, ? ? (ati-ullaha) would mean ?follow Allah?s law?. In the same way, whatever takes place in the universe, takes place according to Allah?s law. The world of meta-physics and this world too (alamamar, alamehkhalq ) are ruled by this law. These laws have been made as He wished them to be, and they work under his control and authority. This is the ? ? (sunnatul Allah), way of Allah which undergoes no changes. (The details can be seen under the heading (Sh-Y-A). The Quran is the sum of Allah?s attributes, Allah?s laws, Allah?s orders, Allah?s Tact, Allah?s guidance, etc. All His teachings have a central point which is His Oneness or "wahdaniya". That is to announce that nothing except God?s rule is Supreme in the universe.So far as His composition or form is concerned, that is beyond our grasp because we are all finite and no finite can comprehend the infinite. However, while remaining within our mental limits, we can have some idea about Him from His 99 attributes. According to the Quran, the correct Belief is that which is according to the requirements in the Quran. Those who believe in God according to their own interpretation are not Believers, as per the Quran. This is a very important point and must be clearly understood. "God worship? and ?virtuous actions? is only right, if done according to the Quran and not according to what different people, nation or religion thinking. -
And i also found this in AlMaany dictionary https//www.almaany.com/en/dict/ar-en/%D8%A3%D9%84%D9%91%D9%87/?c=Islamic
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apotheosize- make someone a god or saint
- to treat someone or something with far too much respect and admirationworship
- make someone or something a god
- practise idolatry, make an idol of
- to attach someone or something to a position similar for that of god
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be apotheosized ; be deified ; be idolized
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I said my last post but since you responded for the balance I have to respond.
Yes, we'll end it here.
What's meant by unique and anomalous is it's an intentional linguistic exaggeration or emphasis on but in the form of . It's a little like where there are two Lam's but you do distinguish between and . For some reason and because of ignorance this isn't done with , as people think it is one word instead of a prefix on another plain grammar and must be pronounced as such.
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What are you saying here? Please answer in simple words. Yes and No to following questions.
- Is , as written, a one word or combination of words? If combination give your final understanding of those words?
- Are you saying it is incorrectly written in current Quran?
Yes, we'll end it here.
But I've said what can be said about the matter and it's circular reasoning here and I've elaborated as much as is necessary and if you don't hearken then I'm just wasting my time.
Do you understand what circular reasoning or logic is? It is when the conclusion of argument is same as premises. This is exactly you guys keep doing. How come? Let me tell you what circular logic is and how you guys are doing it?
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My argument is that current translation is based upon hearsay. Also the text of Quran evolved over time. The rules of language and text were developed and preserved over time. Therefore, we need to understand current text on bases of these rules.
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Your argument is the Quran is god's word and it is the same from day one. To support your claim, you keep presenting the translation that is being questioned from same understanding of Quran as an evidence for your conclusion.
Therefore, your argument has the same premises as your claim. This is what is called a circular reasoning. Do not trust me, as circular reasoning is not a concept of Quran. It is from logic. Please look it up.
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- My argument is that current translation is based upon hearsay. Also the text of Quran evolved over time. The rules of language and text were developed and preserved over time. Therefore, we need to understand current text on bases of these rules.
Salam, Manny is not here but i would like to try to give a response. What hearsay are you referring to?
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- Your argument is the Quran is god's word and it is the same from day one. To support your claim, you keep presenting the translation that is being questioned from same understanding of Quran as an evidence for your conclusion.
Are you referring to traditional translation? Because many of us happen study the Quran without the traditional viewpoint. For example the salat, many of us concluded that Salat is not ritual or contact prayer but following closely or commitment. Also see Noon research on the Birmingham Manuscript https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607061.0
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Are you referring to traditional translation? Because many of us happen study the Quran without the traditional viewpoint. For example the salat, many of us concluded that Salat is not ritual or contact prayer but following closely or commitment. Also see Noon research on the Birmingham Manuscript https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607061.0
I am not talking about just few words or concept. It is all of it.
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Therefore, your argument has the same premises as your claim. This is what is called a circular reasoning. Do not trust me, as circular reasoning is not a concept of Quran. It is from logic. Please look it up.
Here is the link https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning
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All current translation of Quran that everbody calls as the real Quran or word of god is based upon hearsay.
I am not quite sure of that. I have never seen anyone say that their translation is the 100% correct.
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I am not quite sure of that. I have never seen anyone say that their translation is the 100% correct.
First of all for traditional translations there is only one mother translation by Tabari, which is all hearsay based. All other translations are improvement with some changes of words used.
Please share one translators name with his admission that his translation is not correct? Yes, I mean translation and not exegesis or tafseer.
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First of all for traditional translations there is only one mother translation by Tabari, which is all hearsay based. All other translations are improvement with some changes of words used.
Please share one translators name with his admission that his translation is not correct? Yes, I mean translation and not exegesis or tafseer.
Who is Tabari? Edit Nevermind i found a link about him https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tabari Bold I don't know if you misread my last comment, i didn't say that the person saying their translation is correct, i said that i have never seen person saying that their translation is 100% correct. Unless i misread you then apologies for that.
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Who is Tabari? Bold I don't know if you misread my last comment, i didn't say that the person saying their translation is correct, i said that i have never seen person saying that their translation is 100% correct.
So you don't think that current Quran is correct and it has errors? So if this is the case, how could it could be the words of god?
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You're wrong including about me. I'm not basing anything on any traditional interpretation.
1.2. The letters Alef Lam Lam Heh are correct.
Do you agree every Arabic word has a root? What is the root for these letters? Based upon any such root what is the meaning?
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So you don't think that current Quran is correct and it has errors? So if this is the case, how could it could be the words of god?
Again i never said that. I was just showing Noon's post about the Birmingham manuscript.
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What are you trying to say? When you says something is not 100% correct, doesn't it imply that it has some errors?
I was trying to say that i have not seen anyone saying that their translation is 100% correct. See my previous reply.
I am not quite sure of that. I have never seen anyone say that their translation is the 100% correct.
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Although i should have added that the reason they say that because they are trying to be unbiased. So my fault on being vague.
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I was trying to say that i have not seen anyone saying that their translation is 100% correct. See my previous reply.
Who is "their" in your sentence? Are you referring to translators themselves as their? Or you are implying by saying "not seen anyone" (not a single person), saying that their (translators) translation is 100% correct?
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Who is "their" in your sentence? Are you referring to translators themselves as their? Or you are implying by saying "not seen anyone" (not a single person), saying that their (translators) translation is 100% correct?
If you want to be specific on "their" i am referring to Wakas, Noon, Mazhar, Manny_E, Mughal1 and a youtuber known as Quran Centric (He is Yousef Shaer in this forum https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606314.msg348017#msg348017) I have not seen them saying their translation is without mistake. I hope this has answered your question.
