The word "prison" in the qur'an
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slavery must be a lot better ! but of course it isnt slavery because deniers will say "where it is written the word "slave"?" such fools, when reality will catch up to you it will hit you very hard ! i lost too much of my time trying to help you, reality will be sufficient to teach you humility ! i could come in the playground with you and say " where in 538 is written "means to steal"? ignore
BUT this verse does not give instruction at all on how to deal with thieves as it is just a story, but yet again, you deniers will say "this example shows how to behave because yusuf was a prophet!" liars !
Where did you get the reason of Yusuf being a prophet of giving instruction? It's an inspiration from the unseen news if you keep reading to 12102.
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here is how the PROPHET Musa deals with shirk
254 And when Moses said to his people, "O my people, indeed you have wronged yourselves by your taking of the calf . So repent to your Creator and kill yourselves. That is best for you in the sight of your Creator." Then He accepted your repentance; indeed, He is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.
SO NOW YOU KNOW HOW TO DO ACCORDING TO YOUR PROPHET bravo , or maybe its only your reasoning being foolish?
of course deniers will write their own quran and invent things like "god ordered him to say this so it doesn't count" no, no such thing is mentioned. I could give other example but not worth the time. Because deniers will deny anything. I don't even know if it is possible or a man to reason someone else who s in denial. But maybe i can bring my brick to the wall which will contribute to your "salvation" pr
I recommend seeing these articles https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609157.msg399876#msg399876 https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607029.msg359332#msg359332
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"the hands of god are tied down" is OBVIOUSLY figurative.
like other figratives verses. 538=nothing obvious, you say it can't be because of your own reasoning, not because of the qur'anhttps//www.free-minds.org/theft-punishment
you could say the same thing for pretty much every word in the qur'an=utter nonsense
babbling about pluralalready explained several timesirrelevant, stick to the verse
-you are making of the quran writers a lot smarter than they are even if they were probably very smart- you quranists say YOURSELVES that the quran is general and doesn't go into all details, then protest when something doesn't speak about all possible situations = hypocrites
when no details are given about a simple thing as hand cutting "It can't reasonably be !"
You did read the posts me & Wakas have shown you right? https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608169.msg382141#msg382141
Edit See above.
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"barrier between seawater and freshwater" "rain falls from clouds" =incredible allah akbar !
"sun sets in a muddy spring" = this is wrong ! false translation ! (even if it was translated like this for centuries, and the only reason you contest is not linguistics and translation, but only modern science)First Allah Akbar is nowhere in the Quran and secondly there is a man investigated on sun setting muddy spring
https//lampofislam.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/does-the-quran-say-that-the-sun-sinks-in-a-muddy-lake/
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ask yourself this questions each time a quranists convinces you with his explanation, did you check the facts, or did you swallow it like a good obedient peasant? I can guarantee 100% that you didnt check. Check for real. Or study arabic. You have no right to contradict arabic speakers if you don't study arabic yourselves ! you are only believing one group instead of the other, without ever doing your homework.
Actually if you check for example the Lot story you can check the posts and you will see how the check the facts. Don't know i said it right.
Bold Actually a lot of us do, why do you think Project Root List exist? -
Wonder this, are you having double standards? I can guarantee that your reasoning is FULL of it, i am seeing it in almost all your posts ! people would be a lot more civilized when arguing with you if you wern't SO, so, so hypocrite, dishonest and biased. You will probably deny this. in truth did you check the informations? were you not biased towards the qur'an? were not a lot of explanations farfetched? don't imagine my evil voice in your head asking these questions, ask these questions YOURSELF, WONDER, start the truth engine !
Wait please explain and i'm sorry if this question might annoy you but how are they dishonest? And yes they try to check the informations as well like the verse after 538 how the thieves make amends and repents their wrongdoings, doesn't make sense if their hands are cut off because hands don't grow back.
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you came here because you refused to swallow something and wanted to be true to yourself, you refused to believe in these barbaric things(Sunna)
Now bear responsibility and free yourself from what other tell you, start your own journey, check the facts of yourself, LEARN for yourself, make your OWN judgement, but still learn from others, AND QUESTION THINGS before believing what others tell you, this is a great lesson from life, even from the qur'an "don't spread rumors!". From now if you don't learn arabic, question things? interpretations etc ... EVEN WHEN THEY FIT YOUR BELIEF, you will NEVER be able to say in front of God " i was truthful while i was on earth".Why do you think Free-Minds.org was made? This forum was made by muslims who questioned the Quran & Hadiths. Almost everyone here concluded the Sunna of Bukhari & the others hadith collectors were made 200 years after Quran was revealed in 600's and has no place in Islam.
Allah disapproves all hadiths apart from the Quran itself (3918-23, 5234, 487, 186, 7750, 5359);
Allah predicts that Muslim polytheists would call their forged teachings hadiths (7185, 12111; 316; 3338; 3543; 456; 5234; 7750);
Allah distances his Hadith from all man made hadiths (12111);
Allah instructs to keep distance from hadithmongers who would mock the Quranic messages and import corruption to Islam (668, 4140);
Allah predicts and warns about Imams of Hadith and hadithists, who would invest their time in unfounded hadiths and thus would import corruption in Islam, making mockery of the Quran (316);
Allah challenges the idea that his hadith needs extra man made hadith as a supplement (456-9, 26221-223);
Allah declares that minds polluted with man made hadiths would hardly understand the Quran (5679-82);
Allah discourages listening to man made hadiths (3353) and criticizes their sharing, reporting and spreading (663);
Allah Warns that hadiths would degrade the Muslims and split them up into sects (2344-54, 3419, 6835-44, 7182-194).
In surah 6938-48 Allah says
A revelation (The Quran) from the Lord of the worlds, AND HAD HE (MUHAMMAD) ATTRIBUTED SOME FALSE SAYINGS (BADA AQAWILI) TO US, wed have seized him by His right hand and cut off his life line
Finally,
Allah said that Quran is the only Hadith of Allah which Prophet Muhammad uttered.
9311 As For With The Favor (Guidance) Of Your Lord So Hadith (Utter the Quran).From https//quranalonebesthadith.wordpress.com/2016/09/23/allah-is-a-hadith-rejecter/
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i think i won't lose my time anymore on this forum
good bye
It is unfortunate that you leave in disappointment. I was hoping we could have helped you with your issues. Salamun Aleykum/Peace be upon you.
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I forgot to add that there was a arabic speaker here named Pazuzu who questioned the locations in the Quran and he made conclusions in these posts like this one for example https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603245.0
And he made 4 free E-Books touching on the locations in the Quran
Arabia The Untold Story
Book 1 Search for Pharaoh
https//www.quranite.com/wp-content/uploads/1st-E-Book_Search-for-Pharaoh.pdfBook 2 Road of the Patriarch
https//www.quranite.com/wp-content/uploads/2nd-E-Book_Road-of-the-Patriarch.pdfBook 3 Israel and Sheba
https//www.quranite.com/wp-content/uploads/3rd-E-Book_Israel-and-Sheba.pdfBook 4 The Assyrian Storm
https//www.quranite.com/wp-content/uploads/4th-E-Book_The-Assyrian-Storm.pdf -
Peace The Sardar.
You are trying hard and rightly so by scrutinising what is said by the readers here.
Qoran is "shouting out" a challenge to all generations , can it stand the scrutiny? Well only if the book was from the Lord of the universe will it stand all the challenges of your fellow humans.
Do you think the book needs our help? Do you think this is not GOD s way and plan?
Those who scrutinise Qoran are welcome by us. Those who find contradictions, nonsense are welcome by us, those who question everything in the book are welcome by us.
The brothers and sisters here(well the majority) have been there, done that, ongoing doing that.
In fact because we do not want to follow anyone else ,we are here persevering , questioning and discussing this "unique" book.As far as Ju5 is concerned, we had conversations here about few subjects. I will deal with the last two
1- The claim of the verses that contradicted about Iblees being a Malaika- We had no confirmation from other verses that blees is indeed a Malaika if one assumed Iblees was a Malaika from the verse in surah 2- the context started with Malaika and the "Khalifa on earth". Why was n t it assumed that Adam was also a Malaika? Or Iblees was one of the "Khalifa on earth"?
- Why was it confirmed elsewhere that Iblees was of the Jinn?
- why was the "Sujud to GOD by everything on earth and in heaven " ignored?
And many issues for Ju5 on that thread that were not dealt with. Misconceptions, assumptions and false translations were the issue in my opinion.
2-. Iktau Aydiyahuma in 538 means severe both hands of the thief?
- No answer to why 4,why not 3 hands?
-No answer to "how deep a cut to the hands?( graze, middle /deep cut or severe completely)
-No answer to why follow 533( If indeed it means severe completely?) and not 1231 (where the ladies kept conversing after cutting their hands". Surely they did not severe their hands completely!!!). - No answer as how to correct the punishment if the thief repents
- Why not an Idiom that means "cut of what their hands earn" to compensate for the theft?
Again many issues with logic, misconceptions and lack of context of interpretation.
I am not even going to mention "the sun setting in murky lake/water" it is just too ridiculous(Thanks The Sardar for providing that link for it) .
Of course we do check things. That is why we are here looking at different point of views and scrutinising them.
If Ju5 wanted to save us from Qoran, then of course it was a failure. No evidence whatsoever . Just a lot of misunderstanding of the book and false assumptions I am sorry to say.
I hope Ju5 will find something useful and worthwhile to do. Best of luck.
GOD bless you.
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@Noon waalqalami
4 hands=hands of male and female thief= correct grammar=all hands=you are a liar, and you purposefully omit this
from hand to elbow= nothing unclear in this, hand means hand, elbow means elbow, from hand to elbow
there is no "from" in the sentence...
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56 so washes ye of faces yours and hands yours to the elbowgoodbye!
