What is Al Asar?
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Actually Zionism was started by Theodor Herzl who many say that he was not jewish but actually atheist
Does term 'national' movement tells you something? You can be culturally Jewish yet atheistic in ideology, you can be culturally from a Muslim family yet agnostic. Cultural and religious terminology often interrelate if we speak of 'cultural background'.
I never said Zionism is a religious ideology, I said it is cultural/national movement of the Jewish people, who used the term and history of banu Yisraely as their primary narrative and medium. I am not saying it is not falsified, any history is deeply rooted under the garbage of falsifications, but simply refering to the 'zionists' to refute their claim is non-sense.
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Does term 'national' movement tells you something? You can be culturally Jewish yet atheistic in ideology, you can be culturally from a Muslim family yet agnostic. Cultural and religious terminology often interrelate if we speak of 'cultural background'.
I never said Zionism is a religious ideology, I said it is cultural/national movement of the Jewish people, who used the term and history of banu Yisraely as their primary narrative and medium. I am not saying it is not falsified, any history is deeply rooted under the garbage of falsifications, but simply refering to the 'zionists' to refute their claim is non-sense.
About that, there is no muslim "culture" in the Quran. And cultural Jew? I am not sure if Jew is a ethnicity. Also i never claimed you said Zionism is a religious ideology. Unfortunately many been lied to by Zionists thinking that Zionism is Judaism.
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About that, there is no muslim "culture" in the Quran. And cultural Jew? I am not sure if Jew is a ethnicity
Don't you sense the irony? There is NO Jewish culture in the Bible either, and no 'zionist' culture in the ancient times, yet he refers to it everytime just to point out the 'zionist conspiracy'. A Jew can be considered ethnical, and it is considered ethical similarly as saying 'the countries with Muslim majority' or 'the Muslim countries', although the term Huda (د has nothing to do with it.
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Don't you sense the irony? There is NO Jewish culture in the Bible either, and no 'zionist' culture in the ancient times, yet he refers to it everytime just to point out the 'zionist conspiracy'. A Jew can be considered ethnical, and it is considered ethical similarly as saying 'the countries with Muslim majority' or 'the Muslim countries', althoguh the term Huda (د has nothing to do with it.
Actually Zionist use Hebrew as culture (if i got that right) and it is a ethnicity mentioned in the Bible (again if i got that right)
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Huda.....that word sounds familiar, is the word mentioned in Quran?
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Actually Zionist use Hebrew as culture (if i got that right) and it is a ethnicity mentioned in the Bible (again if i got that right)
Biblical Hebrew is as fabricated as saying is a Jew by religion or is Christian, there is no ethnicity in banu Yisraely either. If I told you that you are potentially a member of banu Yisraely you would not believe me but then you are not a muslemeen either.
Just like Sunni or Shia use their Islam both as culture and as religion, especially natively Muslims, born in Muslim families etc.
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What would change if it does?
Nothing really, just curious.
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Biblical Hebrew is as fabricated as saying is a Jew by religion or is Christian, there is no ethnicity in banu Yisraely either. If I told you that you are potentially a member of banu Yisraely you would not believe me but then you are not a muslemeen either.
Just like Sunni or Shia use their Islam both as culture and as religion, especially natively Muslims, born in Muslim families etc.
Are you referring to me or was that a hypothesis?
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But it should change your perception otherwise my efforts of leading you are in vain.
Efforts of leading?
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It depends on what you mean by term muslemeen and banu Yisraely.
Well muslimeen is peacemaker which is i base it from the arabic root Siin-Miim-Lam. As for Bani Isra'il that i can't give a detailed answer but all i can it is a family tribe.
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Well muslimeen is peacemaker which is i base it from the arabic root Siin-Miim-Lam. As for Bani Isra'il that i can't give a detailed answer but all i can it is a family tribe.
Siin-Lam-Miim has A4's of meanings and is also connected to Alif-Miin-Nun (Amen), which means firm, established, safe, sound. What exactly makes it 'peacemaking' for you in terms of dealing harsh with disbelivers? (2191)
Family tribe? When was this family/clan around and what makes it so improtant for the Quran to mention it hundreds of times?
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Yes I am trying to make you think critcally and outside of cultural cliche like the author of the book you offered me to read does.
Well honestly you did said that you had no interest of reading of the e-books. Also you objectively assumed (correct me if i am wrong & apologizes if i sound rude) that the author has traditional background for using (P) on the names like Yusuf & Muhammad.
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Well honestly you did said that you had no interest of reading of the e-books. Also you objectively assumed (correct me if i am wrong & apologizes if i sound rude) that the author has traditional background for using (P) on the names like Yusuf & Muhammad.
No, I already elaborated on the part where I said that "he adhers to the traditional research background", so you simply repeat the same conclusion you made before. But yes, he does adher to tradition for doing so.
Me reading or not the book has nothing to do with critical thinkin, especially after I asked you to bring specific pages where author possibly yet unlikely proves me what is personally interesting to me, which means I am always ready for alternative opinion, but so far his work has been worthless to me.
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Siin-Lam-Miim has A4's of meanings and is also connected to Alif-Miin-Nun (Amen), which means firm, established, safe, sound. What exactly makes it 'peacemaking' for you in terms of dealing harsh with disbelivers? (2191)
What do you mean harsh? Did you checked the verses before & after?
2190
Waqatiloo fee sabeeli Allahiallatheena yuqatiloonakum wala taAAtadooinna Allaha la yuhibbu almuAAtadeena
And fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not aggress, God does not love the aggressors.2191
Waoqtuloohum haythuthaqiftumoohum waakhrijoohum min haythu akhrajookum waalfitnatuashaddu mina alqatli wala tuqatiloohum AAindaalmasjidi alharami hatta yuqatilookumfeehi fa-in qatalookum faoqtuloohum kathalikajazao alkafireena
And kill them wherever you encounter them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then fight them, thus is the recompense of the rejecters.2192
Fa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allahaghafoorun raheemun
And if they cease, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.2193
Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu lillahi fa-iniintahaw fala AAudwana illa AAala alththalimeena
And fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is for God. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.2194
Alshshahru alharamu bialshshahrialharami waalhurumatu qisasunfamani iAAtada AAalaykum faiAAtadoo AAalayhibimithli ma iAAtada AAalaykum waittaqoo AllahawaiAAlamoo anna Allaha maAAa almuttaqeena
The restricted month may be met within the restricted month, and what is unlawful may be met with retaliation. Whoever attacks you, then you shall attack him the same as he attacked you; and be aware of God, and know that God is with the righteous.2195
Waanfiqoo fee sabeeli Allahi walatulqoo bi-aydeekum ila alttahlukati waahsinooinna Allaha yuhibbu almuhsineena
And spend in the cause of God, but do not throw your resources to disaster. And do good, for God loves those who do good.I hope this clears things. Salam/Peace dear brother group
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No, I already elaborated on the part where I said that "he adhers to the traditional research background", so you simply repeat the same conclusion you made before. But yes, he does adher to tradition for doing so.
Me reading or not the book has nothing to do with critical thinkin, especially after I asked you to bring specific pages where author possibly yet unlikely proves me what is personally interesting to me, which means I am always ready for alternative opinion, but so far his work has been worthless to me.
Problem is i don't remember the pages, as i said it's has been awhile since i read Book 1, i am currently reading Book 2 Road to The Patriarch.
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What do you mean harsh? Did you checked the verses before & after?
2190
Waqatiloo fee sabeeli Allahiallatheena yuqatiloonakum wala taAAtadooinna Allaha la yuhibbu almuAAtadeena
And fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not aggress, God does not love the aggressors.2191
Waoqtuloohum haythuthaqiftumoohum waakhrijoohum min haythu akhrajookum waalfitnatuashaddu mina alqatli wala tuqatiloohum AAindaalmasjidi alharami hatta yuqatilookumfeehi fa-in qatalookum faoqtuloohum kathalikajazao alkafireena
And kill them wherever you encounter them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then fight them, thus is the recompense of the rejecters.2192
Fa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allahaghafoorun raheemun
And if they cease, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.2193
Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu lillahi fa-iniintahaw fala AAudwana illa AAala alththalimeena
And fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is for God. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.2194
Alshshahru alharamu bialshshahrialharami waalhurumatu qisasunfamani iAAtada AAalaykum faiAAtadoo AAalayhibimithli ma iAAtada AAalaykum waittaqoo AllahawaiAAlamoo anna Allaha maAAa almuttaqeena
The restricted month may be met within the restricted month, and what is unlawful may be met with retaliation. Whoever attacks you, then you shall attack him the same as he attacked you; and be aware of God, and know that God is with the righteous.2195
Waanfiqoo fee sabeeli Allahi walatulqoo bi-aydeekum ila alttahlukati waahsinooinna Allaha yuhibbu almuhsineena
And spend in the cause of God, but do not throw your resources to disaster. And do good, for God loves those who do good.I hope this clears things. Salam/Peace dear brother group
So peace until what is unlawful may be met with retaliation? So once you see someone doing something unlawful you meet him with retaliation until he attacks you so then you can lawfully attack him?
So...
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This is an anlawful month.
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You find a guy drunk on the street, who broke fasting
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Retaliate him with whatever you believe is a sanctioning retaliation for this crime
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The guy pushes you away
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You have the right to attack him after he 'attacked you' after you sought 'retaliation' against him?
Correct?
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