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What is Al Asar?

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  • The_SardarT Offline
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    The_Sardar
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    Huda.....that word sounds familiar, is the word mentioned in Quran?

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      Makaveli
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      Actually Zionist use Hebrew as culture (if i got that right) and it is a ethnicity mentioned in the Bible (again if i got that right)

      Biblical Hebrew is as fabricated as saying is a Jew by religion or is Christian, there is no ethnicity in banu Yisraely either. If I told you that you are potentially a member of banu Yisraely you would not believe me but then you are not a muslemeen either.

      Just like Sunni or Shia use their Islam both as culture and as religion, especially natively Muslims, born in Muslim families etc.

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        Huda.....that word sounds familiar, is the word mentioned in Quran?

        What would change if it does?

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          What would change if it does?

          Nothing really, just curious.

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            Biblical Hebrew is as fabricated as saying is a Jew by religion or is Christian, there is no ethnicity in banu Yisraely either. If I told you that you are potentially a member of banu Yisraely you would not believe me but then you are not a muslemeen either.

            Just like Sunni or Shia use their Islam both as culture and as religion, especially natively Muslims, born in Muslim families etc.

            Are you referring to me or was that a hypothesis?

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              Nothing really, just curious.

              But it should change your perception otherwise my efforts of leading you are in vain.

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                Are you referring to me or was that a hypothesis?

                It depends on what you mean by term muslemeen and banu Yisraely.

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                  But it should change your perception otherwise my efforts of leading you are in vain.

                  Efforts of leading?

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                    It depends on what you mean by term muslemeen and banu Yisraely.

                    Well muslimeen is peacemaker which is i base it from the arabic root Siin-Miim-Lam. As for Bani Isra'il that i can't give a detailed answer but all i can it is a family tribe.

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                      Efforts of leading?

                      Yes I am trying to make you think critically and outside of cultural cliche like the author of the book you offered me to read does.

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                        Well muslimeen is peacemaker which is i base it from the arabic root Siin-Miim-Lam. As for Bani Isra'il that i can't give a detailed answer but all i can it is a family tribe.

                        Siin-Lam-Miim has A4's of meanings and is also connected to Alif-Miin-Nun (Amen), which means firm, established, safe, sound. What exactly makes it 'peacemaking' for you in terms of dealing harsh with disbelivers? (2191)

                        Family tribe? When was this family/clan around and what makes it so improtant for the Quran to mention it hundreds of times?

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                          Yes I am trying to make you think critcally and outside of cultural cliche like the author of the book you offered me to read does.

                          Well honestly you did said that you had no interest of reading of the e-books. Also you objectively assumed (correct me if i am wrong & apologizes if i sound rude) that the author has traditional background for using (P) on the names like Yusuf & Muhammad.

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                            Well honestly you did said that you had no interest of reading of the e-books. Also you objectively assumed (correct me if i am wrong & apologizes if i sound rude) that the author has traditional background for using (P) on the names like Yusuf & Muhammad.

                            No, I already elaborated on the part where I said that "he adhers to the traditional research background", so you simply repeat the same conclusion you made before. But yes, he does adher to tradition for doing so.

                            Me reading or not the book has nothing to do with critical thinkin, especially after I asked you to bring specific pages where author possibly yet unlikely proves me what is personally interesting to me, which means I am always ready for alternative opinion, but so far his work has been worthless to me.

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                              Siin-Lam-Miim has A4's of meanings and is also connected to Alif-Miin-Nun (Amen), which means firm, established, safe, sound. What exactly makes it 'peacemaking' for you in terms of dealing harsh with disbelivers? (2191)

                              What do you mean harsh? Did you checked the verses before & after?

                              2190
                              Waqatiloo fee sabeeli Allahiallatheena yuqatiloonakum wala taAAtadooinna Allaha la yuhibbu almuAAtadeena
                              And fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not aggress, God does not love the aggressors.

                              2191
                              Waoqtuloohum haythuthaqiftumoohum waakhrijoohum min haythu akhrajookum waalfitnatuashaddu mina alqatli wala tuqatiloohum AAindaalmasjidi alharami hatta yuqatilookumfeehi fa-in qatalookum faoqtuloohum kathalikajazao alkafireena
                              And kill them wherever you encounter them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then fight them, thus is the recompense of the rejecters.

                              2192
                              Fa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allahaghafoorun raheemun
                              And if they cease, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.

                              2193
                              Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu lillahi fa-iniintahaw fala AAudwana illa AAala alththalimeena
                              And fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is for God. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.

                              2194
                              Alshshahru alharamu bialshshahrialharami waalhurumatu qisasunfamani iAAtada AAalaykum faiAAtadoo AAalayhibimithli ma iAAtada AAalaykum waittaqoo AllahawaiAAlamoo anna Allaha maAAa almuttaqeena
                              The restricted month may be met within the restricted month, and what is unlawful may be met with retaliation. Whoever attacks you, then you shall attack him the same as he attacked you; and be aware of God, and know that God is with the righteous.

                              2195
                              Waanfiqoo fee sabeeli Allahi walatulqoo bi-aydeekum ila alttahlukati waahsinooinna Allaha yuhibbu almuhsineena
                              And spend in the cause of God, but do not throw your resources to disaster. And do good, for God loves those who do good.

                              I hope this clears things. Salam/Peace dear brother group

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                                No, I already elaborated on the part where I said that "he adhers to the traditional research background", so you simply repeat the same conclusion you made before. But yes, he does adher to tradition for doing so.

                                Me reading or not the book has nothing to do with critical thinkin, especially after I asked you to bring specific pages where author possibly yet unlikely proves me what is personally interesting to me, which means I am always ready for alternative opinion, but so far his work has been worthless to me.

                                Problem is i don't remember the pages, as i said it's has been awhile since i read Book 1, i am currently reading Book 2 Road to The Patriarch.

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                                  What do you mean harsh? Did you checked the verses before & after?

                                  2190
                                  Waqatiloo fee sabeeli Allahiallatheena yuqatiloonakum wala taAAtadooinna Allaha la yuhibbu almuAAtadeena
                                  And fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not aggress, God does not love the aggressors.

                                  2191
                                  Waoqtuloohum haythuthaqiftumoohum waakhrijoohum min haythu akhrajookum waalfitnatuashaddu mina alqatli wala tuqatiloohum AAindaalmasjidi alharami hatta yuqatilookumfeehi fa-in qatalookum faoqtuloohum kathalikajazao alkafireena
                                  And kill them wherever you encounter them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then fight them, thus is the recompense of the rejecters.

                                  2192
                                  Fa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allahaghafoorun raheemun
                                  And if they cease, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.

                                  2193
                                  Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu lillahi fa-iniintahaw fala AAudwana illa AAala alththalimeena
                                  And fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is for God. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.

                                  2194
                                  Alshshahru alharamu bialshshahrialharami waalhurumatu qisasunfamani iAAtada AAalaykum faiAAtadoo AAalayhibimithli ma iAAtada AAalaykum waittaqoo AllahawaiAAlamoo anna Allaha maAAa almuttaqeena
                                  The restricted month may be met within the restricted month, and what is unlawful may be met with retaliation. Whoever attacks you, then you shall attack him the same as he attacked you; and be aware of God, and know that God is with the righteous.

                                  2195
                                  Waanfiqoo fee sabeeli Allahi walatulqoo bi-aydeekum ila alttahlukati waahsinooinna Allaha yuhibbu almuhsineena
                                  And spend in the cause of God, but do not throw your resources to disaster. And do good, for God loves those who do good.

                                  I hope this clears things. Salam/Peace dear brother group

                                  So peace until what is unlawful may be met with retaliation? So once you see someone doing something unlawful you meet him with retaliation until he attacks you so then you can lawfully attack him?

                                  So...

                                  1. This is an anlawful month.

                                  2. You find a guy drunk on the street, who broke fasting

                                  3. Retaliate him with whatever you believe is a sanctioning retaliation for this crime

                                  4. The guy pushes you away

                                  5. You have the right to attack him after he 'attacked you' after you sought 'retaliation' against him?

                                  Correct?

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                                    Problem is i don't remember the pages, as i said it's has been awhile since i read Book 1, i am currently reading Book 2 Road to The Patriarch.

                                    All right. But if you find something of particular interest, namely if the Jewish people came not from Egypt, which I too believe is likely, then how exactly was Judaism acquired among the Southern Arabic tribes, let me know. Thank you.

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                                      So peace until what is unlawful may be met with retaliation? So once you see someone doing something unlawful you meet him with retaliation until he attacks you so then you can lawfully attack him?

                                      So...

                                      1. This is an anlawful month.

                                      2. You find a guy drunk on the street, who broke fasting

                                      3. Retaliate him with whatever you believe is a sanctioning retaliation for this crime

                                      4. The guy pushes you away

                                      5. You have the right to attack him after he 'attacked you' after you sought 'retaliation' against him?

                                      Correct?

                                      I am sorry but how exactly is finding a drunk & breaking fasting is a physical unlawful? The phrase "Whoever attacks you, then you shall attack him the same as he attacked you; and be aware of God, and know that God is with the righteous." is also important. To be honest it's quite obvious that it is about self defense.

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                                        All right. But if you find something of particular interest, namely if the Jewish people came not from Egypt, which I too believe is likely, then how exactly was Judaism acquired among the Southern Arabic tribes, let me know. Thank you.

                                        I recommend looking for a guy called Pazuzu in the forum, he's actually the author of Arabia The Untold Story. Although he is no longer active in the forum.

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                                          I am sorry but how exactly is finding a drunk & breaking fasting is a physical unlawful? The phrase "Whoever attacks you, then you shall attack him the same as he attacked you; and be aware of God, and know that God is with the righteous." is also important. To be honest it's quite obvious it's about self defense.

                                          What is meant by The restricted month may be met within the restricted month, and what is unlawful may be met with retaliation.?

                                          Is unlawful only during the 'restricted month' or always? And what the phrase be met within the restricted month mean?

                                          What is unlawful by the way? Haram?

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