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What has deen of islam to offer humanity that it should accept it and follow it?

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    Cerberus
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    I simply disagree with the paganistic aspect of god when asserting that there is only one god and his name is such or such.
    Clearly to many if not all think "god" being one with no one other god is more important than him being all and none and being within all human and his attributes and so on...

    So whoever looks forward to meeting his Lord, then let him do good works, and not serve anyone besides his Lord.

    Right, doing good work and serving the Lord are almost synonymous.

    The rest, the whole belief system is almost as a facade surrounding some old paganistic religion.

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      The_Sardar
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      I simply disagree with the paganistic aspect of god when asserting that there is only one god and his name is such or such.
      Clearly to many if not all think "god" being one with no one other god is more important than him being all and none and being within all human and his attributes and so on...

      Right, doing good work and serving the Lord are almost synonymous.

      The rest, the whole belief system is almost as a facade surrounding some old paganistic religion.

      Are you referring to Hadith Islam?

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        Cerberus
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        No not specifically.

        But all religions that I think are being viewed, understood and practiced from a paganistic point of view.

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          The_Sardar
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          No not specifically.

          But all religions that I think are being viewed, understood and practiced from a paganistic point of view.

          Maybe but i wouldn't be suprised that paganism is made by polytheists who want's to bury original monotheism. Heck some of the religions that are polytheistic has verses in their scriptures speaks about Monotheism. See this post https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609880.0

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            Jafar
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            But all religions that I think are being viewed, understood and practiced from a paganistic point of view.

            I share your opinion, and it is very very hard to change one mindset.
            Human inherit and learn many of the ideas from their surroundings.
            It will then shape his / her mindset which will be very hard to change.

            The change will then happened gradually.. over time.. in popular term it is called an 'evolution'.

            But I don't see such thing as inherently wrong or evil.
            It is a natural phenomenon that just need to be understood and accepted, that's the way human mind works..

            The question of "Which direction should we pray?", "What mantra should we recite on praying?" will never exist except he / she was exposed to a tradition / culture where those things are important.

            Stating that "there is no god except << name of your god >>" implies that there are other gods.
            In the same manner as saying "there is no car except Toyota" implies that there are other cars besides Toyota.

            Thus one should think on the why aspect, the background on why somebody even think of inventing such statement?

            Monotheist is no better or worse than Polytheist.
            Just like Toyota fans is no better or worse than BMW fans.
            Actually they share many similarities, in terms of mindset.

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              Yosemite
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              a society where there aren't epidemics of STDs

              https//www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/californias-deadly-std-epidemic-sets-record/2018/05/22/fa6f2caa-59b2-11e8-9889-07bcc1327f4b_story.html?utm_term=.f719d8b114ca

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                good_logic
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                Redemption back to GOD s kingdom.
                If there is only GOD, then there is only one authority. The one true deen of Islam is to accept GOD Alone and His system/kingdom.
                Failure to choose GOD Alone and accept other than GOD(rebellion against our creator)will result in accepting independence /other gods /away from GOD s kingdom/Gehenna/ another universe /lost soul/ ...
                So my question is
                What has any other deen/system to offer humanity that it should accept it and follow it.
                It will be like a mirage since there is only one GOD and one deen/system, GOD s deen.
                GOD bless.
                Peace.

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                  good_logic
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                  One may ask
                  What kind of a choice is accepting GOD Alone if that is the only way?
                  The reason you are human here on earth is to realise that your rebellion before the feud led to your recreation as human to redeem yourself back to GOD s kingdom. Accepting the deen of Islam now is a way out of that original mistake.
                  Your creator ,out of mercy , is offering you another chance to accept His realm and enjoy being part of His wonderful creations that is sustained by Him.
                  The other alternative is to be away from Him/His realm . Another miserable world in another form as chosen by the creator.
                  GOD creates and chooses, because there are no other creators.
                  GOD bless.
                  Peace.

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                    amin
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                    Allah is the common goodness provider, and we all need to strive for common goodness through whatever means we have. Whoever goes away from this, suffer. Quran says Jesus, Moses, Mohammed and more prophets were sent in all places of the world to give the message of Him, for the goodness of mankind. He is so sacred and so Just, that some claims, to have decoded him and created shapes, names and directions are all lies. The blessings, the guidance or the message of goodness reaches as per His will. Sectarians or those who claim that they are more blessed than others, will never be successful. etc etc.

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                      Jafar
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                      The reason you are human here on earth is to realise that your rebellion before the feud led to your recreation as human to redeem yourself back to GOD s kingdom. Accepting the deen of Islam now is a way out of that original mistake.
                      Your creator ,out of mercy , is offering you another chance to accept His realm and enjoy being part of His wonderful creations that is sustained by Him.

                      Hmm.. it sounds familiar....
                      Adam's Original Sin and the only way to escape from original sin is through accepting Jesus?

                      The story seems to be written with motivation to make the readers obey the authority.
                      Telling what would happened if they 'rebel' or violate the law given by the authority.

                      Today we know that is not the case.
                      And the Adam story is also quite ridiculous.
                      If God doesn't want Adam (or anyone) to eat a fruit, He will not made the fruit in the first place.

                      IF God did made the fruit, and God made it as such that it is within Adam's reach plus telling him that you shall not eat that fruit. Then certainly God does know that Adam definitely will pick and eat the fruit.

                      Try the same experiment with your children (or niece or whomever).
                      Put an apple on the table, or anywhere but make sure that it is within his / her reach.
                      Tell him/her that you must not eat this apple, and tell this restriction constantly.
                      What you are doing is actually enticing his/her curiosity, eventually he / she will take that apple and eat it since he/she can see the apple and it is within his/her reach.

                      Human appeared here on earth is because it is 100% in accordance to God's plan.
                      Human was designed with tremendous curiosity, it is definitely 100% in accordance to God's plan.
                      No one is to blame on it.

                      The Adam's story was invented to make it's reader obey an authority.

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                        good_logic
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                        Jafar ,where did I mention a fruit ? And where did I mention Adam?

                        Give me your take on why you had no choice in being a human?
                        Give me your take on who created you and why?
                        And of course give me your take on why I exist , what is my purpose here?

                        Go on brother give me an alternative to what I think my purpose here is?
                        I will check it and see if it makes more sense than what I currently hold.

                        You do not have to discuss Qoran with me as I know you dislike this idea( I have proposed this to you many times in this forum).
                        Thank you and GOD bless you.
                        Peace.

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                          Jafar
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                          And of course give me your take on why I exist , what is my purpose here?

                          You, I, Them have their own designated purpose.
                          It might not be the same and it might be conflicting but that's just the way it is.

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