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WHY SHOULD KAFFIRS BURN IN HELL?

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    MaryK
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    ofc non believers can be hostile towards believers! but there also kaffirs who are very friendly and generally nice and kind.

    what about them?

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      The_Sardar
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      ofc non believers can be hostile towards believers! but there also kaffirs who are very friendly and generally nice and kind.

      what about them?

      Are there any verses that speaks about Kaffirs that are friendly and nice? Because i have not seen a friendly kaffir in Qur'an.

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        The_Sardar
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        And remember, if you have read the verses in the Qur'an, the behavior of kaffirs aren't very friendly.

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          MaryK
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          And remember, if you have read the verses in the Qur'an, the behavior of kaffirs aren't very friendly.

          Dear Sardar,

          Do you really think that all atheists and people who reject islam are evil?

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            The_Sardar
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            Dear Sardar,

            Do you really think that all atheists and people who reject islam are evil?

            What? No. I even made a post about this https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610226.0

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              The_Sardar
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              And how exactly do you came up with that conclusion? I am not angry by the way dear sister.

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                MaryK
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                Dear Sardar,

                I am just very confused at this moment.
                How is it decided who will go to hell and who will go to heaven?

                In Quran it says that idol worshippers will go to hell for assigning partners to God. But what if lets say the idol worshipper is a good and kind person. Does he deserve to go to hell?

                what if the person is disbeliever, but he is truly good and not evil, does he deserve to go to hell?

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                  The_Sardar
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                  Actually more than that, they know the truth in them and they try to conceal it (Read 2134 to 163)

                  Let me fix something Read 2134 to 182

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                    MaryK
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                    Dear Sardar,

                    I read it.

                    it says 'Indeed, those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers - upon them will be the curse of Allah and of the angels and the people, all together'

                    so as i understand no matter how good disbeliever is, he is still condmned to hell?

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                      In Quran it says that idol worshippers will go to hell for assigning partners to God. But what if lets say the idol worshipper is a good and kind person. Does he deserve to go to hell?

                      what if the person is disbeliever, but he is truly good and not evil, does he deserve to go to hell?

                      Actually how is that possible because you are confusing me. In Surah 9 the kafirs & and many of idolaters were very hostile towards believers and in 2134-182, 289-109, 626, 2714, 3542-43, 3670, 4126, 4732 the kafirs tried conceal when they heard the truth in The Book when the messenger came with clear proofs like in 4083 and 5725. How do you know that the idol worshiper & the disbeliever are good when they are denying the good thing that Allah/God (SWTAY) has given us.

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                        The_Sardar
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                        Dear Sardar,

                        I read it.

                        it says 'Indeed, those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers - upon them will be the curse of Allah and of the angels and the people, all together'

                        so as i understand no matter how good disbeliever is, he is still condmned to hell?

                        Did you read verse in context? In fact what verse is it? Forgive me but i'm beginning to think that you are not reading the verses in context to get the full story.

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                          Actually how is that possible because you are confusing me. In Surah 9 the kafirs & and many of idolaters were very hostile towards believers and in 2134-182, 289-109, 626, 2714, 3542-43, 3670, 4126, 4732 the kafirs tried conceal when they heard the truth in The Book when the messenger came with clear proofs like in 4083 and 5725. How do you know that the idol worshiper & the disbeliever are good when they are denying the good thing that Allah/God (SWTAY) has given us.

                          Because I know many disbelievers and idol worshippers who are kind and do good deeds. They are a lot of them among my family and friends, just because they deny quran, it does not make them bad, does it?

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                            Because I know many disbelievers and idol worshippers who are kind and do good deeds. They are a lot of them among my family and friends, just because they deny quran, it does not make them bad, does it?

                            I read the verses you told me to read(from 48;13 until 182). I have hard time understanding your point.

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                              Because I know many disbelievers and idol worshippers who are kind and do good deeds. They are a lot of them among my family and friends, just because they deny quran, it does not make them bad, does it?

                              Deny how exactly? Are you sure it was not because of faulty translations like mistranslation of 434 (http//www.quran434.com/wife-beating-islam.html) or the misconceptions about The Qur'an? http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com

                              Plus you say they are "disbelievers" and "idol worshipers", exactly how do you came into that conclusion with the exception of "denying" the Qur'an

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                                The_Sardar
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                                I read the verses you told me to read(from 48;13 until 182). I have hard time understanding your point.

                                Actually i said 2134-182, 289-109, 626, 2714, 3542-43, 3670, 4126, 4732 4083 5725 and the surrounding verses (before and after). i thought was clear but oh well. My point is anyone can become a kafir when they KNOW the truth in The Qur'an and reject and conceal what is in The Book. That was my point the entire time. I hope this has cleared everything.

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                                  Deny how exactly? Are you sure it was not because of faulty translations like mistranslation of 434 (http//www.quran434.com/wife-beating-islam.html) or the misconceptions about The Qur'an? http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com

                                  Plus you say they are "disbelievers" and "idol worshipers", exactly how do you came into that conclusion with the exception of "denying" the Qur'an

                                  yes, for example my father was muslim, then he had misunderstanding about Quran and he started to deny it.

                                  Also I have some friend who again perceive islam unlogical. and then I also have some friends who pray to jesus and who sincerely believe he is gods son.

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                                    The_Sardar
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                                    Sorry dear sister but it's getting late and i am tired now. I hope my answers has helped you now. If not then i don't what else to say but study verses that involves the kufr IN CONTEXT (not yelling, highlighting) of course because you will never get the full story if you just read one or two verses about this topic. Context is a very important key to understanding The Divine Revelation and Allah (SWTAY) knows what is in your chests. (329, 3118, 3119, 3154, 843, 914, 1057, 1751, 2774, 2869, 2910, 397, 4080, 4224, 6713)

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                                      yes, for example my father was muslim, then he had misunderstanding about Quran and he started to deny it.

                                      Also I have some friend who again perceive islam unlogical. and then I also have some friends who pray to jesus and who sincerely believe he is gods son.

                                      What was your father's misunderstanding? Did he even read in context? Because i wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. And also about your friends that pray to Jesus and him being God's son. There are verses in the Bible may say otherwise https//www.islam-guide.com/ch3-10-1.htm

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                                        Jafar
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                                        Just explain me WHY according to Quran kaffirs and idol worshippers should burn in hell just because they didnt not believe in divinity of islam?

                                        Why person is condemned to hell according to his beliefs and not his actions and good deeds?

                                        If any of you were born in "Kaffir" or "Idol Worshipping" culture, then there's 99% of probability that you will be one.

                                        I share your opinion, that belief / tradition / culture / religion should not be 'judged' or deserved a 'punishment'. It is his/her 'character' that count.

                                        I have witnessed good and bad / rotten souls (and anything in between) across myriad of religion / tradition / culture, monotheist / polytheist / atheist. None are superior than others. Infact those who think that they're superior compared to others, those who think that they are the most enlightened compared to others, those who think that they are the most pious compared to others, are usually the 'rotten' one.

                                        "For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."
                                        -- Matt 28

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                                          Also be careful of traditional biased translations of Qur'an, many of them has some discrepancies like the claim of "cutting hands off"

                                          http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/cut-off-hands-theft.htm

                                          https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608169.0

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