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478 says opposite, contradiction with 479
Actually it is not, in 479 Allah (SWTAY) makes it clear about what good comes from and what evil comes from.
I happen to check on the phrase kullun minAAindi Allahi ( ه and my research is this
- kullun
I had a bit of trouble finding it in Project Root List because the root word of kullun (k-l-l) is a bit of mystery
Kaf-Lam-Lam = To lose father and child, lose direct heirs, be weary, tired, weak, have only remote relations.
kalla vb. (1) n.vb. 1676
kalalah n.f. 412, 4176
LL, V8, p 256 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=kll
Kaf-Lam-Miim = To speak, express.
kalam n.m. 275, 7144, 96, 4815
kalimah n.f. (pl. kalimat, and kalim) - word, command, agreement, common term.
237, 2124, 339, 345, 364, 446, 4171, 513, 541, 634, 6115, 7137, 7158, 87, 940, 940, 974, 1019, 1033, 1064, 1082, 1096, 11110, 11119, 1424, 1426, 185, 1827, 18109, 18109, 20129, 23100, 3127, 3510, 37171, 3919, 3971, 406, 4145, 4214, 4221, 4224, 4328, 4826, 6612kallama vb. (II) - to speak to ro with, act of speaking, directly.
perf. act. - 2252, 4164, 6111, 7143, 1254
impf. act. - 2118, 2174, 341, 346, 377, 5110, 7148, 1910, 1926, 1929, 23108, 2782, 3665, 4251
perf. pas. - 1331
n. vb. 4164takallama vb. (V) - to speak
impf. act. - 11105, 2416, 3035, 7838LL, V8, p 257 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=kll
If you can see in PRL, both of them links to the same Ejtaal kll link. So i had to check on Wikitionary
https//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D9%83%D9%84
Noun
? (kull) meach one, everyone
each, every (with following indefinite noun in the genitive)
whole, all (with following definite noun in the genitive)Now noticed in bold part, each, every is for following the indefinite noun in the GENETIVE and whole and all is for following the definite noun in the GENETIVE.
So why am i highlighting the word "genetive"? Because the word kullun is in masculine definite INDEF (indefinite) NOMINATIVE noun. If it was genitive than it would have been kullin (ّ. So according to Wikitionary it should be Each one or everyone.
min & `indi
min (ن is a preposition and in Wikitionary it means
https//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D9%85%D9%86#Preposition
Preposition
? (min)of
some of
from, away from, out of
pertaining to
(time) at, on
to wit
in relation to, with respect to
due to, owing to
(used to construe certain verbs)
hal alab minka? Did they ask (literally from) you?`indi (د is a genitive noun and in PRL (Project Root-List)
Ayn-Nun-Dal / Inda = Preposition here, with, by, at the point of, about, from, in the presence of. The word denotes the idea of nearness, whether it be actual in the sense of possession or ideational, it also denotes a sense of rank or dignity or opinion, time and place. ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=end
Now since i have very poor knowledge, someone with Arabic knowledge could clarify it for me (Wakas maybe?)
Now about the verses 478 & 79, honestly i fail to see the "contradiction". I think it's best if i show everyone the translations and their notes in Quranix.org view it for themselves
478
478 aynma tkwnwa ydrkkm almwt wlw kntm fy brwj myd wan tSbhm Hsn yqwlwa hah mn And allh wan tSbhm sya yqwlwa hah mn Andk ql kl mn And allh fmal haalaa alqwm la ykadwn yfqhwn Hdya
Transcription (English)
478 Aynama takoonoo yudrikkumu almawtuwalaw kuntum fee buroojin mushayyadatin wa-in tusibhum hasanatunyaqooloo hathihi min AAindi Allahi wa-in tusibhumsayyi-atun yaqooloo hathihi min AAindika qul kullun minAAindi Allahi famali haola-i alqawmila yakadoona yafqahoona hadeethanEdip-Layth (Quran A Reformist Translation)
478 Wherever you may be, death will find you, even if you are in fortified towers. If any good befalls them, they say, "This is from God," and if any bad befalls them, they say, "This is from you!" Say, "All is from God;" what is wrong with these people, they barely understand anything said!The Monotheist Group (The Quran A Monotheist Translation)
478 Wherever you may be, death will find you, even if you are in fortified towers. If any good befalls them, they say "This is from God," and if any evil befalls them, they say "This is from you!" Say "All is from God;" what is wrong with these people, they barely understand any narrative!Muhammad Asad (The Message Of Quran)
478 Wherever you may be, death will overtake you - even though you be in towers raised high. "Yet, when a good thing happens to them, some say, "This is from God," whereas when evil befalls them, they say, "This is from thee !"92 Say "All is from God." What, then, is amiss with these people that they are in no wise near to grasping the truth of what they are told?93Note 92
I.e., they do not realize that the evil happening may possibly be a consequence of their own actions or their own wrong choice between several courses open to them, but are prone to attribute it to the failings of others.Note 93
Lit., "something told" - i.e., a truth which their own reason as well as the teachings of all the prophets should have made obvious to them.God is the Doer of Everything
Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament)
478 Wherever you are, death will catch up with you, even if you live in formidable castles. When something good happens to them, they say, "This is from GOD," and when something bad afflicts them, they blame you. Say, "Everything comes from GOD." Why do these people misunderstand almost everything?11 ,
Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)Note 11
Bad things are consequences of our own deeds (423011),though God is the doer of everything (817).God created the fire to serve us, but you can decide to put your finger init. We thus hurt ourselves. It is God's law that if you put your fingerin the fire, it will hurt.478 Wherever you may be, death will find you, even if you live in fortified castles. When something good happens to them, they say, ?It is from God.? And when affliction befalls them they say to each other, ?This is from you O fellow-man!? Tell them, ?All things happen according to God?s laws.? What is amiss with these people, they do not understand a thing?
479
479 ma aSabk mn Hsn fmn allh wma aSabk mn sya fmn nfsk warslnak llnas rswla wkfya ballh hyda
Transcription (English)479 Ma asabaka min hasanatinfamina Allahi wama asabaka min sayyi-atinfamin nafsika waarsalnaka lilnnasi rasoolanwakafa biAllahi shaheedan
Edip-Layth (Quran A Reformist Translation)
479 Any good that befalls you is from God, and any bad that befalls you is from yourself. We have sent you as a messenger to the people and God is enough as a witness.29Note 29
Everything is under God's control (478; 817) and bad things happen to us because of our wrong choices (4230; 6411). For instance, one may harm himself by putting his hand in the fire, and the harm is invited by his action. However, since the fire operates and burns according to God's law, it is from God. It is noteworthy that the word indi (side) in verse 478, which indicates intervening causes, does not exist in verse 479. In the former the indirectness of the relationship and, in the latter, the directness of the relationship is implied. Also, see 5722.The Monotheist Group (The Quran A Monotheist Translation)
479 Any good that befalls you is from God, and any evil that befalls you is from yourself. We have sent you as a messenger to the people and God is enough as a witness.Muhammad Asad (The Message Of Quran)
479 Whatever good happens to thee is from God; and whatever evil befalls thee is from thyself.94 AND WE have sent thee as an apostle unto all mankind and none can bear witness as God does.Note 94
There is no contradiction between this statement and the preceding one that "all is from God". In the world-view of the Qur'an, God is the ultimate source of all happening consequently, all good that comes to man and all evil that befalls him flows, in the last resort, from God's will. However, not everything that man regards as "evil fortune" is really, in its final effect, evil - for, "it may well be that you hate a thing the while it is good for you, and it may well be that you love a thing the while it is bad for you and God knows, whereas you do not know" (2216). Thus, many an apparent "evil" may sometimes be no more than a trial and a God-willed means of spiritual growth through suffering, and need not necessarily be the result of a wrong choice or a wrong deed on the part of the person thus afflicted. It is, therefore, obvious that the "evil" or "evil fortune" of which this verse speaks has a restricted connotation, inasmuch as it refers to evil in the moral sense of the word that is to say, to suffering resulting from the actions or the behaviour of the person concerned, and this in accordance with the natural law of cause and effect which God has decreed for all His creation, and which the Qur'an describes as "the way of God" (sunnat Allah). For all such suffering man has only himself to blame, since "God does not wrong anyone by as much as at atom's weight" (440).Nothing Bad Comes From God
Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament)
479 Anything good that happens to you is from GOD, and anything bad that happens to you is from you. We have sent you as a messenger to the people, and GOD suffices as witness.,12
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Muhammad was not given any proof of prophethood. Hence the expression "God suffices as a witness" (2951). The gematrical value of "Muhammad"is 92, and 92+79=171=19x9.Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
479 God never creates evil. Things and events have good and evil aspects. When you act according to the law of God the results are pleasant, and when you act against the law the results are unpleasant (4230). So whatever good happens to you is from God, and whatever evil happens to you is from yourself. We have sent you as a Messenger to mankind and God is Sufficient as Witness. -
There is only one creator handshake
peace
I completely agree with you brother Hawk99, i wonder what your thoughts on this.
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478 says opposite, I thought it's a contradiction with 479.
You thought? Meaning you don't see it as a contradiction anymore?
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On 1132
God created Evil (in man) so that man can be/become good from his own existence, by eventually working against this evil in ourselves that God created for this sole reason. The challenge of evil/temptation serves the purpose of the creation of man.On 479
Allah is the source of righteousness in man, like a torch. The human mind is connected to Allah and through the mind man follows Allah.
And with this light , from this torch, man can see properly and do the right thing and reap of his own actions. And without such light man cannot see and falls in the wrong and reap of his own actions too.Makes sense ?
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On 1132
God created Evil (in man) so that man can be/become good from his own existence, by eventually working against this evil in ourselves that God created for this sole reason. The challenge of evil/temptation serves the purpose of the creation of man.On 479
Allah is the source of righteousness in man, like a torch. The human mind is connected to Allah and through the mind man follows Allah.
And with this light , from this torch, man can see properly and do the right thing and reap of his own actions. And without such light man cannot see and falls in the wrong and reap of his own actions too.Makes sense ?
Not really actually because if you have noticed in 1132, it doesn't say the exact words God created evil. Instead it says
Min sharri ma khalaqa ( ق, if you noticed AL/THE & HUWA/HE does not occur. Let's take a look on the root word of sharri (ر
Shiin-Ra-Ra = to do evil, be ill natured, wicked. yashirru/yasharru - to find fault, defame. sharrun (pl. ashrar) - evil, bad, wicked, vicious ones. It is noteable that shurrun is an exceptional form of elative adjective while the measure for elative in Arabic is afa'la. shararun (pl. ashraar) - sparks of fire.
sharar n.m. (coll) 7732
sharr n.m. 2216, 3180, 560, 560, 822, 855, 1011, 1277, 1711, 1783, 1975, 2135, 2272, 2411, 2534, 3855, 3862, 4149, 4151, 7020, 7210, 767, 7611, 986, 998, 1132, 1133, 1134, 1135, 1144
LL, V4, p 248, 249 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=shrr
Now i had conversation with 2 of my friends in Facebook and this is what they told me so far about my question to you, my siblings
Friend 1
Selam akhi
A lot of people quote that to me as well and yes it is a mistranslation
From evil of what he createdIt doesn?t mean he created evil but that he created and within his creation is evil or the option to be evil.
Of course Allah created everything but man he created balanced so we can sit the test. He gave the option to go against their better judgment and do evil, so he didn?t create evil or man evil but he created man and within it is by their own choice the option to do evil.
Me
I noticed the word "he" or "huwa" does not occur here which is also a mistranslation. Correct me if i am wrong though because my knowledge in Arabic is very poor.
Friend 1
No it doesn?t
Your right akhi
Khalaqa doesn?t have he
So it would read from evil (of) what createdNow to the conversation of Friend 2
Friend 2
Here is the translation in connection with your last question -
(Chapter 113)Latest Rational & Academic Translation ?Proclaim O Messenger that ?I seek protection only with the Lord of the entire creation ( ), from the wickedness of His created ones; and from the darkness of evil ( ) when it has overspread and become prevalent ( ), and from the evil of the secret vicious allegiances (ِ being agreed upon ( ); and from the evil of the jealous ones ( ) when they are bent on jealousy.?
Me
Salam/Peace. I just noticed something in 1132The translation i am using as a example (Edip-Layth (Quran A Reformist Translation)
Min sharri ma khalaqa
1132 "From THE evil of what HE HAS created,"
Now i noticed that AL/The & HUWA/HE does not occur in the verse, So if we rechecked the verse in the original text, we may get this
"From evil (of) what created"
I put "of" in parentheses just in case if the word is really part of the Arabic text. I have poor knowledge in Arabic language & it's grammar.
Friend 2
Khalaqa is the past verb of the third form masculine. Say ( ). It means "he created". So HE is already there.
So when Quran is talking about men, so "maa khalaqa" is the ones he created, instead of "what he created".
Me
"third form masculine" I thought it was third person?
Friend 2
Yes, it is third person (ب.
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Not really actually because if you have noticed in 1132, it doesn't say the exact words God created evil. Instead it says
Min sharri ma khalaqa ( ق, if you noticed AL/THE & HUWA/HE does not occur. Let's take a look on the root word of sharri (رNo that is what you are trying to prove to justify this contradiction, although your friend n?2 already said that your assumption is wrong from a classical arabic stand point.
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No that is what you are trying to prove to justify this contradiction, although your friend n?2 already said that your assumption is wrong from a classical arabic stand point.
Wait hold on, justify? My Friend 2 agrees with me that God did not create evil. I am very certain that it is a lie by the rejectors against the Creator. Besides if you look at sharri in it's grammar, it's in masculine singular genitive noun. And one of the meanings of the root word "vicious ones". In no way do i wan't to justify a contradiction. Besides he said Khalaqa is the past verb of the third form masculine. Say ( ). It means "he created". So HE is already there.
So when Quran is talking about men, so "maa khalaqa" is the ones he created, instead of "what he created".
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In 728 & 1690
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Wa-itha faAAaloo fahishatan qaloowajadna AAalayha abaana waAllahuamarana biha qul inna Allaha laya/muru bialfahsha-i ataqooloona AAalaAllahi ma la taAAlamoona
And if they commit immorality, they say "We found our fathers doing such, and God ordered us to it." Say "God does not order evil! Do you say about God what you do not know?"1690
Inna Allaha ya/muru bialAAadliwaal-ihsani wa-eeta-i theealqurba wayanha AAani alfahsha-i waalmunkariwaalbaghyi yaAAithukum laAAallakum tathakkaroona
God orders justice and goodness and that you shall help your relatives, and He prohibits immorality and vice and transgression. He warns you that you may remember.Which i wonder, why would people translate Min sharri ma khalaqa as From the evil of what He created? That does not make sense. Allah (SWTAY) always criticizes evil and evildoers so why would He create evil? The translation does not make sense. In fact the verse before 1131 it says
1131
Qul aAAoothu birabbi alfalaqi
Say "I seek refuge with the Lord of the rising dawn,"If you noticed, The Prophet said that "I seek refuge with the Lord of the rising dawn" and if you see the phrase "I seek refuge" means seeking safety which make sense since Allah (SWTAY) orders justice & goodness and prohibits vice & evil/immorality. Which would confuse me if 1132 would be translated as "From the evil of what he created". Something tells me there is a misunderstanding due to the godless satanic hadiths are behind this.
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Although i admit that i could be wrong on the AL/THE & HUWA/HE part since i have said many times that my arabic is poor, especially classical arabic.
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Wait hold on, justify? My Friend 2 agrees with me that God did not create evil. I am very certain that it is a lie by the rejectors against the Creator.
So when Quran is talking about men, so "maa khalaqa" is the ones he created, instead of "what he created".
Okay so you already made up your mind.
And if I understand you correctly your new thesis is that the verse means " Of the evil of men who he created".
But where does the evil of men come from ? If you can fetch some quran verses and stitch them all together and copy paste everything here once again, that'd be great.
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Okay so you already made up your mind.
And if I understand you correctly your new thesis is that the verse means " Of the evil of men who he created".
But where does the evil of men come from ? If you can fetch some quran verses and stitch them all together and copy paste everything here once again, that'd be great.
Actually i have not because i don't want to make any misleading against the Qur'an. Plus i don't remember stating "Of the evil of men who he created" in my replies. However i do believe that Allah (SWTAY) did not create evil because it would not make sense to make when He stated many times that he orders justice & goodness & prohibits evil/immorality, vice & transgression.
Salam/Peace.
"From evil (of) what created" I put "of" in parentheses just in case if the word is really part of the Arabic text. I have poor knowledge in Arabic language & it's grammar.
Allah/God (SWTAY) bless you!
I got that translation from Friend 1 but still i am not sure what 1132 should be translated.
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If you can fetch some quran verses and stitch them all together and copy paste everything here once again, that'd be great.
It's best you can check and verify for yourself here
http//quranix.org/s/evilMy advice to you is to check the arabic text and also to check the root word definition.
I still say that i am unsure how to translate 1132 because i have poor Classical Arabic knowledge so i don't want to be misleading & inaccurate. It would be dishonest of me to do that.
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Besides i don't think i want to translate because i'm scared of making mistakes which would case problems for the people who want to research so it's best for me to not to translate.
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Wait hold on, justify? My Friend 2 agrees with me that God did not create evil. I am very certain that it is a lie by the rejectors against the Creator.
You understand this is what I mean by having your mind made up ? You await people to agree with your statement (that God did not create Evil) and you don't want to even try to explore the possibility that God created Evil and you are certain it's a lie by the "rejectors".
But now I said, let's assume God did not create evil, then where does evil come from ?
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You understand this is what I mean by having your mind made up ? You await people to agree with your statement (that God did not create Evil) and you don't want to even try to explore the possibility that God created Evil and you are certain it's a lie by the "rejectors".
But now I said, let's assume God did not create evil, then where does evil come from ?
Bold 1 At the time, i didn't realize until now. And also. awaiting people to agree with my statement? Honestly not really, besides i am certain many do however agrees with me that God did not create evil.
Bold 2 I actually did a while ago and i couldn't figure out why exactly was the point to make evil in the first while ordered justice & goodness & prohibited evil/immorality, vice & transgression. It could not and still not make any sense to me.
Now for your question I sadly don't know but i have feeling that we humanity have something to do with it's existence.
In fact it might be hinted (i could be wrong) in 230
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Wa-ith qala rabbuka lilmala-ikatiinnee jaAAilun fee al-ardi khaleefatan qalooatajAAalu feeha man yufsidu feeha wayasfiku alddimaawanahnu nusabbihu bihamdika wanuqaddisu lakaqala innee aAAlamu ma la taAAlamoona
And your Lord said to the angels "I am placing a successor on the earth." They said "Will You place in it he who would make corruption in it, and spill blood; while we praise by Your glory, and exalt to You?" He said "I know what you do not know." -
I just found this
1630
Waqeela lillatheena ittaqaw mathaanzala rabbukum qaloo khayran lillatheena ahsanoofee hathihi alddunya hasanatun waladarual-akhirati khayrun walaniAAma daru almuttaqeena
And it was said to those who were righteous "What has your Lord sent down?" They said "All goodness." For those who have done good in this world there is good; and the Hereafter is goodness. Excellent indeed is the home of the righteous. -
Brother Cerberus, you don't mind me inviting our siblings in this forum on this discussion? I figured it would be interesting to have others to research on this so we might have a accurate conclusion or at least try. Again hope you don't mind.
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Bold 2 I actually did a while ago and i couldn't figure out why exactly was the point to make evil in the first while ordered justice & goodness & prohibited evil/immorality, vice & transgression. It could not and still not make any sense to me.
What if God made Evil so that Evil can exist and so that people can choose evil and others, by the fruit of their own effort, don't choose evil.
The instruction of not to follow evil is one thing, and its existence and who created it is another. How come you think this does not make sense ?Brother Cerberus, you don't mind me inviting our siblings in this forum on this discussion? I figured it would be interesting to have others to research on this so we might have a accurate conclusion or at least try. Again hope you don't mind.
Of course I don't mind, there is no reason for me to mind.
