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There is only one creator handshake
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I completely agree with you brother Hawk99, i wonder what your thoughts on this.
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478 says opposite, I thought it's a contradiction with 479.
You thought? Meaning you don't see it as a contradiction anymore?
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On 1132
God created Evil (in man) so that man can be/become good from his own existence, by eventually working against this evil in ourselves that God created for this sole reason. The challenge of evil/temptation serves the purpose of the creation of man.On 479
Allah is the source of righteousness in man, like a torch. The human mind is connected to Allah and through the mind man follows Allah.
And with this light , from this torch, man can see properly and do the right thing and reap of his own actions. And without such light man cannot see and falls in the wrong and reap of his own actions too.Makes sense ?
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On 1132
God created Evil (in man) so that man can be/become good from his own existence, by eventually working against this evil in ourselves that God created for this sole reason. The challenge of evil/temptation serves the purpose of the creation of man.On 479
Allah is the source of righteousness in man, like a torch. The human mind is connected to Allah and through the mind man follows Allah.
And with this light , from this torch, man can see properly and do the right thing and reap of his own actions. And without such light man cannot see and falls in the wrong and reap of his own actions too.Makes sense ?
Not really actually because if you have noticed in 1132, it doesn't say the exact words God created evil. Instead it says
Min sharri ma khalaqa ( ق, if you noticed AL/THE & HUWA/HE does not occur. Let's take a look on the root word of sharri (ر
Shiin-Ra-Ra = to do evil, be ill natured, wicked. yashirru/yasharru - to find fault, defame. sharrun (pl. ashrar) - evil, bad, wicked, vicious ones. It is noteable that shurrun is an exceptional form of elative adjective while the measure for elative in Arabic is afa'la. shararun (pl. ashraar) - sparks of fire.
sharar n.m. (coll) 7732
sharr n.m. 2216, 3180, 560, 560, 822, 855, 1011, 1277, 1711, 1783, 1975, 2135, 2272, 2411, 2534, 3855, 3862, 4149, 4151, 7020, 7210, 767, 7611, 986, 998, 1132, 1133, 1134, 1135, 1144
LL, V4, p 248, 249 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=shrr
Now i had conversation with 2 of my friends in Facebook and this is what they told me so far about my question to you, my siblings
Friend 1
Selam akhi
A lot of people quote that to me as well and yes it is a mistranslation
From evil of what he createdIt doesn?t mean he created evil but that he created and within his creation is evil or the option to be evil.
Of course Allah created everything but man he created balanced so we can sit the test. He gave the option to go against their better judgment and do evil, so he didn?t create evil or man evil but he created man and within it is by their own choice the option to do evil.
Me
I noticed the word "he" or "huwa" does not occur here which is also a mistranslation. Correct me if i am wrong though because my knowledge in Arabic is very poor.
Friend 1
No it doesn?t
Your right akhi
Khalaqa doesn?t have he
So it would read from evil (of) what createdNow to the conversation of Friend 2
Friend 2
Here is the translation in connection with your last question -
(Chapter 113)Latest Rational & Academic Translation ?Proclaim O Messenger that ?I seek protection only with the Lord of the entire creation ( ), from the wickedness of His created ones; and from the darkness of evil ( ) when it has overspread and become prevalent ( ), and from the evil of the secret vicious allegiances (ِ being agreed upon ( ); and from the evil of the jealous ones ( ) when they are bent on jealousy.?
Me
Salam/Peace. I just noticed something in 1132The translation i am using as a example (Edip-Layth (Quran A Reformist Translation)
Min sharri ma khalaqa
1132 "From THE evil of what HE HAS created,"
Now i noticed that AL/The & HUWA/HE does not occur in the verse, So if we rechecked the verse in the original text, we may get this
"From evil (of) what created"
I put "of" in parentheses just in case if the word is really part of the Arabic text. I have poor knowledge in Arabic language & it's grammar.
Friend 2
Khalaqa is the past verb of the third form masculine. Say ( ). It means "he created". So HE is already there.
So when Quran is talking about men, so "maa khalaqa" is the ones he created, instead of "what he created".
Me
"third form masculine" I thought it was third person?
Friend 2
Yes, it is third person (ب.
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Not really actually because if you have noticed in 1132, it doesn't say the exact words God created evil. Instead it says
Min sharri ma khalaqa ( ق, if you noticed AL/THE & HUWA/HE does not occur. Let's take a look on the root word of sharri (رNo that is what you are trying to prove to justify this contradiction, although your friend n?2 already said that your assumption is wrong from a classical arabic stand point.
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No that is what you are trying to prove to justify this contradiction, although your friend n?2 already said that your assumption is wrong from a classical arabic stand point.
Wait hold on, justify? My Friend 2 agrees with me that God did not create evil. I am very certain that it is a lie by the rejectors against the Creator. Besides if you look at sharri in it's grammar, it's in masculine singular genitive noun. And one of the meanings of the root word "vicious ones". In no way do i wan't to justify a contradiction. Besides he said Khalaqa is the past verb of the third form masculine. Say ( ). It means "he created". So HE is already there.
So when Quran is talking about men, so "maa khalaqa" is the ones he created, instead of "what he created".
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In 728 & 1690
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Wa-itha faAAaloo fahishatan qaloowajadna AAalayha abaana waAllahuamarana biha qul inna Allaha laya/muru bialfahsha-i ataqooloona AAalaAllahi ma la taAAlamoona
And if they commit immorality, they say "We found our fathers doing such, and God ordered us to it." Say "God does not order evil! Do you say about God what you do not know?"1690
Inna Allaha ya/muru bialAAadliwaal-ihsani wa-eeta-i theealqurba wayanha AAani alfahsha-i waalmunkariwaalbaghyi yaAAithukum laAAallakum tathakkaroona
God orders justice and goodness and that you shall help your relatives, and He prohibits immorality and vice and transgression. He warns you that you may remember.Which i wonder, why would people translate Min sharri ma khalaqa as From the evil of what He created? That does not make sense. Allah (SWTAY) always criticizes evil and evildoers so why would He create evil? The translation does not make sense. In fact the verse before 1131 it says
1131
Qul aAAoothu birabbi alfalaqi
Say "I seek refuge with the Lord of the rising dawn,"If you noticed, The Prophet said that "I seek refuge with the Lord of the rising dawn" and if you see the phrase "I seek refuge" means seeking safety which make sense since Allah (SWTAY) orders justice & goodness and prohibits vice & evil/immorality. Which would confuse me if 1132 would be translated as "From the evil of what he created". Something tells me there is a misunderstanding due to the godless satanic hadiths are behind this.
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Although i admit that i could be wrong on the AL/THE & HUWA/HE part since i have said many times that my arabic is poor, especially classical arabic.
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Wait hold on, justify? My Friend 2 agrees with me that God did not create evil. I am very certain that it is a lie by the rejectors against the Creator.
So when Quran is talking about men, so "maa khalaqa" is the ones he created, instead of "what he created".
Okay so you already made up your mind.
And if I understand you correctly your new thesis is that the verse means " Of the evil of men who he created".
But where does the evil of men come from ? If you can fetch some quran verses and stitch them all together and copy paste everything here once again, that'd be great.
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Okay so you already made up your mind.
And if I understand you correctly your new thesis is that the verse means " Of the evil of men who he created".
But where does the evil of men come from ? If you can fetch some quran verses and stitch them all together and copy paste everything here once again, that'd be great.
Actually i have not because i don't want to make any misleading against the Qur'an. Plus i don't remember stating "Of the evil of men who he created" in my replies. However i do believe that Allah (SWTAY) did not create evil because it would not make sense to make when He stated many times that he orders justice & goodness & prohibits evil/immorality, vice & transgression.
Salam/Peace.
"From evil (of) what created" I put "of" in parentheses just in case if the word is really part of the Arabic text. I have poor knowledge in Arabic language & it's grammar.
Allah/God (SWTAY) bless you!
I got that translation from Friend 1 but still i am not sure what 1132 should be translated.
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If you can fetch some quran verses and stitch them all together and copy paste everything here once again, that'd be great.
It's best you can check and verify for yourself here
http//quranix.org/s/evilMy advice to you is to check the arabic text and also to check the root word definition.
I still say that i am unsure how to translate 1132 because i have poor Classical Arabic knowledge so i don't want to be misleading & inaccurate. It would be dishonest of me to do that.
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Besides i don't think i want to translate because i'm scared of making mistakes which would case problems for the people who want to research so it's best for me to not to translate.
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Wait hold on, justify? My Friend 2 agrees with me that God did not create evil. I am very certain that it is a lie by the rejectors against the Creator.
You understand this is what I mean by having your mind made up ? You await people to agree with your statement (that God did not create Evil) and you don't want to even try to explore the possibility that God created Evil and you are certain it's a lie by the "rejectors".
But now I said, let's assume God did not create evil, then where does evil come from ?
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You understand this is what I mean by having your mind made up ? You await people to agree with your statement (that God did not create Evil) and you don't want to even try to explore the possibility that God created Evil and you are certain it's a lie by the "rejectors".
But now I said, let's assume God did not create evil, then where does evil come from ?
Bold 1 At the time, i didn't realize until now. And also. awaiting people to agree with my statement? Honestly not really, besides i am certain many do however agrees with me that God did not create evil.
Bold 2 I actually did a while ago and i couldn't figure out why exactly was the point to make evil in the first while ordered justice & goodness & prohibited evil/immorality, vice & transgression. It could not and still not make any sense to me.
Now for your question I sadly don't know but i have feeling that we humanity have something to do with it's existence.
In fact it might be hinted (i could be wrong) in 230
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Wa-ith qala rabbuka lilmala-ikatiinnee jaAAilun fee al-ardi khaleefatan qalooatajAAalu feeha man yufsidu feeha wayasfiku alddimaawanahnu nusabbihu bihamdika wanuqaddisu lakaqala innee aAAlamu ma la taAAlamoona
And your Lord said to the angels "I am placing a successor on the earth." They said "Will You place in it he who would make corruption in it, and spill blood; while we praise by Your glory, and exalt to You?" He said "I know what you do not know." -
I just found this
1630
Waqeela lillatheena ittaqaw mathaanzala rabbukum qaloo khayran lillatheena ahsanoofee hathihi alddunya hasanatun waladarual-akhirati khayrun walaniAAma daru almuttaqeena
And it was said to those who were righteous "What has your Lord sent down?" They said "All goodness." For those who have done good in this world there is good; and the Hereafter is goodness. Excellent indeed is the home of the righteous. -
Brother Cerberus, you don't mind me inviting our siblings in this forum on this discussion? I figured it would be interesting to have others to research on this so we might have a accurate conclusion or at least try. Again hope you don't mind.
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Bold 2 I actually did a while ago and i couldn't figure out why exactly was the point to make evil in the first while ordered justice & goodness & prohibited evil/immorality, vice & transgression. It could not and still not make any sense to me.
What if God made Evil so that Evil can exist and so that people can choose evil and others, by the fruit of their own effort, don't choose evil.
The instruction of not to follow evil is one thing, and its existence and who created it is another. How come you think this does not make sense ?Brother Cerberus, you don't mind me inviting our siblings in this forum on this discussion? I figured it would be interesting to have others to research on this so we might have a accurate conclusion or at least try. Again hope you don't mind.
Of course I don't mind, there is no reason for me to mind.
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What if God made Evil so that Evil can exist and so that people can choose evil and others, by the fruit of their own effort, don't choose evil.
The instruction of not to follow evil is one thing, and its existence and who created it is another. How come you think this does not make sense ?Because honestly it would make Allah/God (SWTAY) look like a hypocrite because in many verses like 1690, 728, 2178, 4135 and 58 states he orders justice & goodness. And i have not seen any verse that really specifically states or indicates that He created evil.
P.S Sorry if i happen to repeat some phrases like orders justice & goodness. I just wan't to be clear.
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Also if you have seen my last reply about 1630 indicates that goodness is from God. I have not seen a verse so far indicates that evil is from God unless i have missed one.
