Gog and Magog - Possible location
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I am not a Bible student so I can't comment on what it says. For the Quran however, they are never mentioned as people (that is an assumption readers jump to - which is not supported).
Building of an Ironwall to prevent those troublemakers to corrupt other lands is enough indication for me that those are people.
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Building of an Ironwall to prevent those troublemakers to corrupt other lands is enough indication for me that those are people.
Iron wall can keep out radiation. See Fukushima accident in Japan. They had to build a wall around the reactor to keep it from destroying the Pacific Ocean. Quran also mentions the location to be where the sun sets in the murky water. That is Japan.
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The Pacific Ocean is murky? Seems pretty clear to me. The Qur'an mostly talks about geographical locations near the arabian peninsular (except the gardens of eden), the Prophet was asked about Dhul Qarnayn (two ages as an individual making impact on history twice or two horns as a title of his big empire) because they knew it from their scriptures about him, the persian King Cyrus the Great (in the Torah, as he was a Zoroastrian, the original teachings of Zarathustra are monotheistic), who never travelled to Japan. Jibril gave them more information regarding him and prophecies regarding them and a community of a city which was destroyed, after all the ancient ciivilizations - it was finally the hebrew israelite civilization which was destroyed. And why would Radiation be named as Magog? A human being??
And there is prohibition upon a city which We have destroyed that they will return. Until when Gog and Magog has been opened and they, from every elevation, descend. 2195-96
How can radiation benefit a destroyed town?? They will come forth? Radiation???
Theres is also a great deception going on about the harmfulness of the nuclear powerplants, "atomic" bombs, radiations or nuclear fission in general. You should stop mixing modern mainstream paradigms with scriptures, especially coming from mainstream media and public education facilities. As this is coming from people you are calling "radiation", who are compulsive liers and decievers without consciousness.
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Peace,
Building of an Ironwall to prevent those troublemakers to corrupt other lands is enough indication for me that those are people.
Again, you are reading with a preconceived notion that is tarnishing the message - the word people does not appear anywhere in this subject.
Also, what type of people need an "Iron" wall to keep them out?! A stone wall would have sufficed.
As Spodacus has mentioned, radiation is one possible understanding since lead does shield from its effects. Let's examine
1893 Until he reached an area that was between the two barriers, he found within it a people who could barely understand anything said.
Why does the Quran tell us they could barely understand? Obviously they could communicate (else how did they speak with Zul Qarnain and convey the message), but clearly something was wrong with them (were they retarded by something?)
1894 They said "O Two Horned One, Gog and Magog are corrupters of the land, so shall we make a tribute for you that you will make between us and them a barrier?"
Never do they say that Gog and Magog are "people", rather they say they are "corrupters of the land".
And what do they want? They ask for a barrier to be built to protect them from these corrupters.
1895 He said "What my Lord has given me is far better. So help me with strength and I will make between you and them a landfill."
This is interesting. Zul Qarnain tells them they do not need a "barrier", but they need a "landfill" (radman) to protect them from Gog and Mogog! We can completely diregard the possibility of Gog and Magog being humans here as the landfill indicates they are eminanting from a fixed place.
1896 "Bring me dense metal," until he leveled between the two sides. He said "Blow," until he made it into fire. He said "Bring me tar so I can pour it over."
1897 So they could not penetrate it, and they could not advance in it.Again, we see here the landfill that Zul Qarnayn built was made from "dense metal" (zubr alhadeed). No people would need a landfill to keep them out, and definitely not one made from dense metal (lead?).
1898 He said "This is a mercy from my Lord. But when the promise of my Lord comes, He will make it crumble. And the promise of my Lord is truth."
1899 And We will let them on that day surge with one another. And the horn was blown, so We gathered them together.What "promise" is being referred to here? The promises I could find was that in 175 & 177 & 17104 that are related to the destruction of Israel after its second rise.
Will Gog and Magog be unleashed as the use of nuclear "fission & fusion" as a fulfillment of the prophecy that these destructive/corrupting elements will be unleashed again on the world...
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Read the prophecies of Ezekiel and keep the table of Nations in mind
Ezekiel 38
38 2 He prophesieth that Gog and Magog shall fight with great power against the people of God.21 Their destruction.
1 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of men, set thy face against Gog, and against the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I come against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal.
4 And I will destroy thee, and put hooks in thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth and all thine host, both horses and horsemen, all clothed with all sorts of armor, even a great multitude with bucklers and shields, all handling swords.
5 They of Paras, of Cush, and Put with them, even all they that bear shield and helmet.
6 Gomer and all his bands, and the house of Togarmah of the North quarters, and all his bands, and much people with thee.
7 Prepare thyself, and make thee ready, both thou, and all thy multitude that are assembled unto thee, and be thou their safeguard.
8 After many days thou shalt be visited for in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that hath been destroyed with the sword, and is gathered out of many people upon the mountains of Israel, which have long lain waste yet they have been brought out of the people, and they shall dwell all safe.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come up like a tempest, and shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, both thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
10 Thus saith the Lord God, Even at the same time shall many things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think evil thoughts.
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land that hath no walled towers I will go to them that are at rest and dwell in safety, which dwell all without walls, and have neither bars nor gates,
12 Thinking to spoil the prey, and to take a booty, to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations which have gotten cattle, and goods, and dwell in the midst of the land.
13 Sheba and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish with all the lions thereof shall say unto thee, Art thou come to spoil the prey? hast thou gathered thy multitude to take a booty? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, and to spoil a great prey?
14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy, and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God, In that day, when my people of Israel dwelleth safe shalt thou not know it,
15 And come from thy place out of the North parts, thou and much people with thee? all shall ride upon horses, even a great multitude and a mighty army.
16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land, thou shalt be in the latter days, and I will bring thee upon my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
17 Thus saith the Lord God, Art not thou he, of whom I have spoken in old time, by the hand of my servants the Prophets of Israel which prophesied in those days and years, that I would bring thee upon them?
18 At the same time also when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, my wrath shall arise in mine anger.
19 For in mine indignation, and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken it surely at that time there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel,
20 So that the fishes of the Sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all that move and creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the earth, shall tremble at my presence, and the mountains shall be overthrown, and the stairs shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
21 For I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God every man?s sword shall be against his brother.
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence, and with blood, and I will cause to rain upon him and upon his bands, and upon the great people that are with him, a sore rain, and hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
23 Thus will I be magnified, and sanctified, and known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know, that I am the Lord.
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Great Wall of Gorgan
https//d33wjekvz3zs1a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Wall-of-Gorgan.pngIt is 195 km long and 6–10 m wide, and features over 30 fortresses spaced at intervals of between 10 and 50 km. It is surpassed only by the walls systems of Great Wall of China as the longest single-segment building and the longest defensive wall in existence.
The wall is located at a geographic narrowing between the Caspian Sea and the mountains of northeastern Iran. It is one of several Caspian Gates at the eastern part of a region known in antiquity as Hyrcania, on the nomadic route from the northern steppes to the Iranian heartland. The wall is believed to have protected the Sassanian Empire to the south from the peoples to the north, probably the White Huns.
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FAQ
Q Has the wall / defense perimeter been broken?
A Yes it has been broken many centuries agoQ By whom?
A The nomadic tribes of central asia, proficient in horses and archery, recognized by many names such as Huns, Scythian, Turks, Mongols now being grouped together as "Altaic people" due to the similarity of languages. And sometimes the Japanese were also grouped within Altaic grouping due to the similarity of languages.Q What happened after they 'broke through'
A They conquered and settled on the southern area of the wall, founded empire with names such as Mongol Empire (the most brutal and largest overland empire in human history spanning from Europe to China), Ottoman Empire / Caliphate (the largest Islamic Caliphate in human history), Timurid Empire (among the most brutal empire in history), Seljuk Empire, Yuan Dynasty.Q What's the purpose of the wall?
A Defense, the wall was built to contain the nomadic tribe of the northQ Why built a wall and passively on the defense if they were such a threat? why not invading them instead and eliminate the threat?
A Invading nomadic tribes is not an easy task, they constantly move around and they don't have any cities or capital cities. They also don't have any single leader which sedentary empire (such as the Parthian, Abbassid or Qing) can negotiate a deal with.Q Are there any other similar structure with the same purpose?
A Yes in China, known as Great Wall of China
https//images.chinahighlights.com/allpicture/2015/07/b103ab1e173244009476db62.pngQ Were those walls still standing and actively guarded / maintained during 7th century?
A Yes, both Gorgan Wall and China Wall are still actively standing and guarded during the 7th century.Q Were there any casualties caused by the nomads breaking through
A Yes, the highest casualties was caused by the invading Mongols, they broke through the China wall of defense and continue to conquer China, Persia, Middle East up to Austria Hungary. The mongol invasion caused 50 millions of direct death.Q Only 50 millions? Not more.
A More, if you count the indirect death caused by the plague they carry. 200 millions additional death from the black plague.
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_DeathQ Does the wall still exist now?
A Yes, the remain of the Wall of Gorgan are still there, although in total ruin, while the great wall of China has become a major tourist attraction.Q Does the wall still functioning?
A Not as a defense, a wall / barrier from whatever material is useless in today's age of ICBM, drone and cruise missiles. It's functioned as a major tourist attraction now.Q So where are the Gog Magog descendant now?
A Nearly everyone.. as the Turks, Mongols, Scythian, Hunts has mixed with the sedentary population they have conquered and has adopted sedentary lifestyle. A genetic research in China has shown that 120 million people living in China today are descendants of one great Mongolian king. -
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The White so called Jews (not all of course) fit perfectly into all the scriptual narrative they have conquered Israel and are fighting Gods People. Make some research about the most influential personalities and the corruption of world affairs beginning with finance to (pseudo) sciences and media following by the most wicked satanic curriculum which was ever conceived to indoctrinate our children with utter garbage. When the true tribes of Israel are back in the Holy Land, peace would be established - what we see today is the complete opposite.
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The White so called Jews (not all of course) fit perfectly into all the scriptual narrative they have conquered Israel and are fighting Gods People. Make some research about the most influential personalities and the corruption of world affairs beginning with finance to (pseudo) sciences and media. When the true tribes of Israel are back in the Holy Land, peace would be established - what we see today is the complete opposite.
LOL.. that's not the map of 1874..
And by 1874 any wall / defense barrier is already useless due to the invention of Artillery.
Modern Israel migration from Europe is peanuts compared to the 250 million deaths and many millions mass refugees caused by Turkish, Mongol, Huns and Scythian invasion from Central Asia.
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LOL.. that's not the map of 1874..
And by 1874 any wall / defense barrier is already useless due to the invention of Artillery.
Modern Israel migration from Europe is peanuts compared to the 250 million deaths and many millions mass refugees caused by Turkish, Mongol, Huns and Scythian invasion from Central Asia.
By 1874 the wall was long gone... we are speaking here of the so called gates of alexander in the darial gorge.
The Mongols and the great wall of china doesnt fit under the narrative as they had nothing to do with Palestine, the wall of china was built under different dynasties which took 2500 years. Speaking of which, Genghis Khan was the first from that region who established religious freedom and not anti-god marxism... and at least he destroyed Baghdad, as it was the center of the corruption of Islam.
This crisis in the middle east is going to take a while and it is going to be much worse as it will be the center stage of WW3 - where the majority of the population is planned to be wiped out. The white "jews" were in center stage of WW1 and 2, take that under consideration. must be over 150 million deaths + diseases regarding WW1&2. Most of them from Sowjet Russia under JOSEPH Stalin who was from the Caucasus. The Devil in person whos favourite line was "SHOOT THEM". The Russians say We won the war through drowning the enemy with our own blood.
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Peace,
Again, you are reading with a preconceived notion that is tarnishing the message - the word people does not appear anywhere in this subject.
Also, what type of people need an "Iron" wall to keep them out?! A stone wall would have sufficed.
As Spodacus has mentioned, radiation is one possible understanding since lead does shield from its effects. Let's examine
1893 Until he reached an area that was between the two barriers, he found within it a people who could barely understand anything said.
Why does the Quran tell us they could barely understand? Obviously they could communicate (else how did they speak with Zul Qarnain and convey the message), but clearly something was wrong with them (were they retarded by something?)
1894 They said "O Two Horned One, Gog and Magog are corrupters of the land, so shall we make a tribute for you that you will make between us and them a barrier?"
Never do they say that Gog and Magog are "people", rather they say they are "corrupters of the land".
And what do they want? They ask for a barrier to be built to protect them from these corrupters.
1895 He said "What my Lord has given me is far better. So help me with strength and I will make between you and them a landfill."
This is interesting. Zul Qarnain tells them they do not need a "barrier", but they need a "landfill" (radman) to protect them from Gog and Mogog! We can completely diregard the possibility of Gog and Magog being humans here as the landfill indicates they are eminanting from a fixed place.
1896 "Bring me dense metal," until he leveled between the two sides. He said "Blow," until he made it into fire. He said "Bring me tar so I can pour it over."
1897 So they could not penetrate it, and they could not advance in it.Again, we see here the landfill that Zul Qarnayn built was made from "dense metal" (zubr alhadeed). No people would need a landfill to keep them out, and definitely not one made from dense metal (lead?).
1898 He said "This is a mercy from my Lord. But when the promise of my Lord comes, He will make it crumble. And the promise of my Lord is truth."
1899 And We will let them on that day surge with one another. And the horn was blown, so We gathered them together.What "promise" is being referred to here? The promises I could find was that in 175 & 177 & 17104 that are related to the destruction of Israel after its second rise.
Will Gog and Magog be unleashed as the use of nuclear "fission & fusion" as a fulfillment of the prophecy that these destructive/corrupting elements will be unleashed again on the world...
So basically your argument is that, because the word "people" was not mentioned, Gog and Magog must be something else ? How poor of an argument.
The context seems to be of a ruler meeting some tribe who then complain to him about Gog and Magog. Could be a name of tribes, or tribe leaders...If they are something other than people, then the quran failed to address it. If they are indeed people, then there is no point in pointing out that they are in fact people. The context is clear. The burden of providing proof that they are something other than what the context seem to imply is on you.
Not to mention that the story of Gog and Magog is not even original to the quran. So did you take in consideration the other sources that mentioned it before the quran? Does it favour the theory that they are people or something other than that ?
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Dear Cerberus,
I can?t help you see past preconceived notions - I can only point out the facts and leave people too see or not.
You are mistaken in your comments, the Quran always uses the word ?qawm/people? when it refers to names of people (qawm Saleh, qawm Hud, qawm Lot, etc.).
Gog and Magog never get such a prefix - it?s only people?s imagination that adds the words ?people?. Not only that, but any person with common sense would see that these are not people as they are described as ?waves over each other? and ?emanating from every crack? - let alone the stupidity that they would be bound in some valley for thousands of years by an iron wall and not be able to go round or climb over it...
Finally, as to your reference to the Bible and it?s stories - I am not one to take seriously a book that mocks God with stories of Him wrestling Moses or not knowing that Cane killed Able, or being full of regret when humans built the Tower of Babel
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It was Jacob who was renamed to Israel after it, and he didnt wrestle God directly - this shouldnt be taken literally as this was meant to be an allegory of Jacobs struggle with faith, symbolizing that his Ego submitted to the Most High - as his Ego lost. Funny thing that you take this one literal but intepret those verses in Qur'an as if its mutashabih - when its clearly not. I see where you are coming from.
Not only that, but any person with common sense would see that these are not people as they are described as ?waves over each other? and ?emanating from every crack? - let alone the stupidity that they would be bound in some valley for thousands of years by an iron wall and not be able to go round or climb over it...
Look at the geographical Location, the darial gorge is the only way in and out and you think that those Walls werent guarded? A wall made of Iron which was fortified by tar? You dont think that the see shores were guarded? As it is much harder to invade by See militarily especially when you are dealing with a world power? Stop being arrogant calling other stupid and reflect a little bit.
You also ignored the meaning of your other "God Mocking" findings - similar to evangelicals who try to discredit the Qur'an. What is truly God mocking is taking modern pseudo-scientific paradigms of arrogant satanists mascarading as Jews and mixing it with the Qur'an.
Peace.
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I can?t help it if you see the world as being on a linear line of knowledge and that anyone who disagrees is into pseudo science!
The Quran mentions nations whose like were never seen (Irum), and mentions Solomon having a kingdom that none before or after would have.
The story of Noah itself is full of science if you were to open your mind...
Anyway - Gog & Magog can be little Smurf?s (as in Sunni literature) or tribes of lost Jews or whomever as per some other narration.
Personally, they are to me what my mind and eyes see and understand with no restraints of possibility.
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Im not against science, im against dogmas. Modern science destributed by the Jesuits and fake Jews are dogmatic. Its a Religion - theories which were stuffed in our mouths as facts. Modern Astronomy is coming from Jesuit Catholics fortified by fake Jews like Einstein and other destroyers of true science which was established by Nikola Tesla or Ptolemy. The Copernican turn had a massive psychological impact on christian europe as it was the first step to transform Europe from Christiandom to a pseudo-scientific dictatorship which they exported throughout the world. Im talking here only about Astronomy, classical physics and darwinism - which main purpose is to remove God from the minds of the population and the significance of the Human race and every single individual, to weaken them through nihilistic doctrines. We are in the center of everything. As GOD had commanded the Angels to prostrate before his best of creations. Satan is against creation, he does everything he can to destroy us. What we are struggling right now (actually since creation of man) here on eearth is the holy spirit (gabriel) against the unholy one (iblis).
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You are mistaken in your comments, the Quran always uses the word ?qawm/people? when it refers to names of people (qawm Saleh, qawm Hud, qawm Lot, etc.).
Again, another poor argument.
When the quran speaks of the nation of Firawn, it uses qawm Firawn. When it speaks of Firawn, it says Firawn........ What is even this argument ?!
The situation is simple
A ruler meets a group of people.
They ask him to protect them from X and Y because they are corrupting the land.
He agrees to build a barrier between the people he met and X and Y.Who/What is possibly X and Y ? hmmmmm
Another thing is, "corrupting the land" "mufsidoon fi l-ard", who is guilty of corrupting the land, as per quran ?
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The occult origins of NASA & JPL
Do you want to know what Jack Parsons and Bush Senior had in common? Watch this.
All?h cursed him. And he said ?I will take an appointed portion of your slaves; (11 Verily, I will mislead them, and surely, I will arouse in them false desires; and certainly, I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and indeed I will order them to change the nature created by All?h.? And whoever takes Shait?n (Satan) as a Wal? (protector or helper) instead of All?h, has surely suffered a manifest loss.] (119) He makes promises to them, and arouses in them false desires; and Shaitan?s (Satan) promises are nothing but deceptions. (120) The dwelling of such (people) is Hell, and they will find no way of escape from it. (121)
- Qur'an Chapter 4
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All begins with your thoughts and ends with your actions. To do selfless acts, is a good way to start.
This video has a poor quality but these are not theories, those behind the space programms are all part of some sort of a cult. Research it, look into it there is a MASSIVE Conspiracy going on and the space programms are only the beginning.
Every soul will taste death
And you will but be paid in full your rewards on
the
Day of Resurrection
And whoso is removed from the fire and made
to enter the garden
He has attained.
And the life of this world is only the enjoyment
of deception.- Qur'an 3185
The Gardens of Eden
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