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whom your right hand possess

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    shakeel
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    I was reading a translation of the Quran by I would guess a reformist and he changed "...right hand possess" to " except what is committed to by your oath" what is he trying to say here?

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      imrankhawaja
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      its same like a reversable jacket.

      some things which never agreed by any socities are basically a phenomenon that applied to every society according to the requirement of those socities so on other words a license of legal sex in a way other than spouse

      whereever you are living it must b something trendy about the new system of relationships

      even sunni and shia botj also agree on sex/nikka apart from one real marriage rotfl rotfl
      nikka mutta and nikka misyar

      western culture give it a name gf/partners

      ancient people used to have slaves for sex other than marraige

      lot if of other things basically that catagory is related with the production of human so instruction manual is different in different era of time and space

      a must topic what bring us in this world but most of people are silent on this topic becoz society shy talking about this even if u talk about it u already doing sin so people are struggling in completing this puzzle

      a sex education must b delievered to all socities

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        huruf
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        Right hand possession is simply a relationship in which one person is protected, turtored, kept under the authority of another better placed to take care of him or her. It can be between any two people, family related or not, labour related or not. But it is not slavery. If it was so why not say straight away property of somebody and why bring a right hand into the fray?

        Islamic studies have been too much fond of seeing slaves everywhere, in particular women slavs, and in particular young women slaves.

        Salaam

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          brook
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          Grammatically what I see in ma malakat AYMAN ukum is that
          the Verb is malaka - , which means to bind like binding a ruler;
          the Subject is - AYMAN, which means oaths.

          My mother tongue is not Arabic,
          please check to see if what I see is correct.

          As a result
          the literal translation of ma malakat AYMAN ukum is those whom your OATHS bound.

          Your oaths bind them to you
          either as your spouses with a particular kind of nkh (verbal ?) as in 3352 and 236
          or people you care for, that is, people you are responsible for like in 3355 and 43.

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            huruf
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            Grammatically what I see in ma malakat AYMAN ukum is that
            the Verb is malaka - , which means to bind like binding a ruler;
            the Subject is - AYMAN, which means oaths.

            My mother tongue is not Arabic,
            please check to see if what I see is correct.

            As a result
            the literal translation of ma malakat AYMAN ukum is those whom your OATHS bound.

            Your oaths bind them to you
            either as your spouses with a particular kind of nkh (verbal ?) as in 3352 and 236
            or people you care for, that is, people you are responsible for like in 3355 and 43.

            I think right is primary meaning and oaths secondary meaning. Today oaths are solemnizeed raising the right hand, and may that is the reason for oaths using that same word.

            On the other hand a raltionship of ma malakat aymanukum need not arise from an oath but be merely a self evident fact.

            Think of when girls from the country side come to work as domestics en cities. For the family that employ them, they are mamalakat aymanukum. Those girls are under the protection of that family. They cannot put her ont he street just like that, even if they do without a very powerful legitimate reason, at the very least they would not be an honourable, respectable family. Tehre may not be oath, I doubt that there is ever one, but still it is factual self evident relationship in which the upper part must show their "right
            hand", the one that acts with nobility and generosity. I think that is the idea.

            The main thing in the relationship is the asymmetry one is resposible, to whatever extent, for another who is under his or her protection and who in turn owes him or her allegiance in the same extent.

            This category is very wide and within it may come all kinds of arrangements, like being the consort of a different deppendent level with respecto to the other consort which by power, authority, material means, education or whatever is in superior position. This would nto mean that there are to kinds of mamalakat aymanukum, but just that the consideration to call that or not is that kind of asymmetrical relationship, which according to Qur'an and to people of good will of any place or age, it may be asymmetrical but should never be unfair or be abused, since it is for the ood of the more unfavoured party.

            This knd of relationship seemed to be very common in the environment where the Qur'an was revealed and in fact, when we rid it of all the fantasies and exotism about sex and slavery we notice that it is in in fact a universal fenomenon known in most countries and ages if not all. It is less overwhelming when societies are very well off , like int he wellfare state of industrialised countries, but then ont he other hand, to them come people from other countries who do so many times as mamalakat aymanukum.

            Also the relationship of many needy persons, whether children, families, refugees, etc. with the social and welfare public assistance of the country is one such mamalakat aymanukum, but the partner is the state or the public agency which undertakes such tasks.

            So the relationship is very mucha alive and present in our societies. We should puch for the Qura'nic guarantees and injunctions to apply here and now for those people who are under the purview of others and procure their emancipation

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            Salaam

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              Rilum
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              Salam everyone,
              maybe he meant by that an engagement or a serious relationship.

              Salaam.

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                OP27
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                It means (236) strictly no sex before marriage. I discovered this the hard way. Furthermore in fact you are designed to wait until your twin soul, your wife in Jannah meets you in the dunya. That is the correct undefeatable interpretation of 236. I am Supreme Reality.

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