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7:40 and 7:51

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    imrankhawaja
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    Salam!

    Brothers & Sisters!

    Would appreciate your comments/explanation regarding below Ayats of Chapter 7.

    Indeed, those who deny Our verses and are arrogant toward them - the gates of Heaven will not be opened for them, nor will they enter Paradise until a camel enters into the eye of a needle. And thus do We recompense the criminals.

    Does ALLAH consider this 'impossible'?

    Who took their religion as distraction and amusement and whom the worldly life deluded." So today We will forget them just as they forgot the meeting of this Day of theirs and for having rejected Our verses.

    Can ALLAH 'forget' something?

    Thank you in advance.
    May ALLAH bless and guide all the truth seekers!

    Peace!

    peace,

    basically the verse is an impossibilty for human being.

    for him nothing impossible.

    is this possible for human being to manage camel passing through the eye of needle?
    for God he can do it if he want ( he knows all the secrets of heavens and earth) for him its like making camel capable to pass through the eye of needle depend on elastic level lol.

    he manage to make us from a drop of water so using a word "IMPOSSIBLE" is not correct for God. he can turn impossible to possible and possible to impossible thats what a logical mind think about true logical God.

    second part of your post
    does God forget ?

    obviously not he already knows everything.

    but if u see the meanings of the verse its points towards people who forget God in a sense of proverb

    let say Do he FORGET him?
    in sense that he dnt see him any more.
    in sense he dnt give him money anymore.
    in sense he dnt care about him anymore.
    in sense he dnt talk with him anymore.
    in a sense that he forget count him in team.
    lot more senses

    so when human being is in a contract and he forget his contract with God then same law of return will applied on him and God will also not asking another contract again.

    its like i want to do a contract with you?
    but you refused

    now you need that contract and this time i refused?

    i will say you forget me on that day and now i forget you this day that how its work.

    once you forget God he will forget you on the time when u really need his attention in next life courts lol.

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      good_logic
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      Peace brother.
      Nothing to do with GOD s perspective the two verses.
      740 A physical law, big does not fit into small. GOD can break the law if He wanted, but the verse talks about the reality as far as we see it. The verse is not saying this is impossible for GOD to do.

      751 When we make a decision to forget something and are aware of it, that means we are ignoring it deliberately. On the contrary, you are clearly aware that you are forgetting to act on it. ie you are not forgetting
      Hence GOD has made a decision to "not reward them".ie They will miss out. Nothing to do with GOD really forgetting!!!
      Please look at the context of both verses.
      GOD bless you.
      Peace.

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        The_Sardar
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        Who took their religion as distraction and amusement and whom the worldly life deluded." So today We will forget them just as they forgot the meeting of this Day of theirs and for having rejected Our verses.

        Can ALLAH 'forget' something?

        Thank you in advance.
        May ALLAH bless and guide all the truth seekers!

        Peace!

        Salam/Peace dear brother. You may have not noticed but if you keep reading from the bolded part, you will see that it's because they forgot the meeting of this day in the first place.
        And i found something interesting, look here

        Nun-Siin-Ya = to forsake/forget/neglect, pretend to forget.

        nasiya vb. (1)
        perf. act. 2286, 513, 514, 644, 751, 753, 7165, 967, 967, 1824, 1857, 1861, 1863, 1873, 2088, 20115, 20126, 2518, 3214, 3214, 3678, 3826, 398, 4534, 586, 5919
        impf. act. 244, 2237, 641, 751, 2052, 2877, 4534, 876
        impf. pass. 20126
        pcple. pass. 1923

        nasiy n.m. 1964

        nasy n.m. 1923

        ansa vb. (4)
        perf. act. 1242, 1863, 23110, 5819, 5919
        impf. act. 2106, 668

        Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 287 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=nsy

        If you examine the verses i bolded, you will see a pattern in many of the verses, i will give a example like 967

        967
        Almunafiqoona waalmunafiqatubaAAduhum min baAAdin ya/muroona bialmunkariwayanhawna AAani almaAAroofi wayaqbidoona aydiyahum nasooAllaha fanasiyahum inna almunafiqeena humu alfasiqoona^
        The hypocrite males and the hypocrite females, they are to each other. They order vice and prohibit good, and they close their hands. THEY FORGOT ALLAH, SO HE WILL FORGET THEM; indeed, the hypocrites are the wicked.

        See in this highlighted part in this verse that the reason is that the hypocrites forgot Allah/God (SWTAY) in the first place because they order vice & prohibit good.
        Now as i said before check the verses of bolded and you see a pattern of this situation in similar events.

        Also check this out

        forget

        verb
        verb forget; 3rd person present forgets; past tense forgot; gerund or present participle forgetting; past participle forgotten
        fail to remember.
        "he had forgotten his lines"
        synonyms fail to remember, fail to recall, fail to think of, let slip
        "he forgot where he had parked his car"
        antonyms remember
        inadvertently neglect to do, bring, or mention something.
        "I forgot my raincoat"
        synonyms neglect, fail, omit, not remember; archaicpretermit
        "I forgot to close the door"
        deliberately cease to think of.
        "forget all this romantic stuff"
        synonyms stop thinking about, think no more of, cease to think of, cease to remember, put out of one's mind, shut out, blank out, pay no heed to, not worry about, ignore, overlook, never mind, take no notice of, banish from one's thoughts, put away, get over, set aside, lay aside, pass over, abandon, have done with, drop, disregard, brush off, shrug off
        "the rich world would love to forget Africa"
        neglect to behave in an appropriate way.
        "?I'm sorry, Cassie. I forget myself?"
        synonyms act improperly, misbehave, do wrong, go wrong, behave badly, be misbehaved, misconduct oneself, be bad, be naughty, get up to mischief, get up to no good, act up, give/cause someone trouble; sin, go astray, transgress, trespass, fall from grace, lapse, degenerate; informalmuck about, play up
        "I'm sorry about that?I forgot myself"

        You can check this link for verification
        https//www.google.se/search?q=forget&oq=Forget&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60j69i61j0l3.1871j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

        So it's best if you check all the verses i have given you and read the context for the full story.

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          imrankhawaja
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          big does not fit into small.

          not true sometimes you can yay
          its depends on how you fit

          btw hope evthing is allright with you. do u like ur new house ?
          God bless you.

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            The_Sardar
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            not true sometimes you can yay
            its depends on how you fit

            btw hope evthing is allright with you.
            God bless you.

            If i happen to be "Big" in terms of weight i doubt that.

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              imrankhawaja
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              If i happen to be "Big" in terms of weight i doubt that. D

              ? explain plz i m afraid i didnt actually understand what u asked.

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                good_logic
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                Peace Imran.
                Thanks to the Lord,everything is fine brother, thank you for asking.
                Hope things are fine with you too.
                Yes ,regarding the big and small, it depends like you say, but when it is a camel(big) and the eye of the needle(very small) - the verse context-it is obvious.
                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

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                  The_Sardar
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                  ? explain plz i m afraid i didnt actually understand what u asked.

                  I figured you were making a joke when you said "it depends on how you fit".

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                    huruf
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                    the camel and the needle is also in the gospels. I gather that it was a well known figure of speech to magnify something. May be not impossible but very unlikely in the given circumstances.

                    Also somewhee I read that thee was a narrow passage in the city called "the needle" through which the camels I do not remember whethe it was that they could not get through or that they could do so with plenty of trouble. Who knows, may be scratching their dear flesh witht he walls.

                    As tot he forget part I agrre with other answers. It is another way of putting the wisdom words that as you give so you get. Your forget, you are forgotten. You despise, you are depsised. The only thing that with people you may overcome it because people are not all powerful, but God is. Deal with it.

                    Salaam

                    Salaam

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                      imrankhawaja
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                      @ sardar, exactly you clocked me out lol yeh it was a joke.
                      i said it in a sense of joke but you can also take it other way round.
                      small stretchable things can fit in large things rotfl

                      example its impossible to put an egg in glass bottle without breaking egg ?
                      is it really ? lets work on it put the egg in oil(kind of liquid) for couple of days then egg become stretchable and you can put it in without breaking you see purpose is to make things as per required parameters.

                      God can make a camel pass through eye of needle its not a big task for him but for me i cant do it or i dnt have the apparatus for doing that experiment or i have no knowlwdge what can make camel strtchable or the law what we need here not belong to this universe only God knows how to do it?

                      @ GL its good to hear everything is allright with you. i m also serving humanity now a days i feel blessed after a long time my work is not boring i m enjoying my work due to me i feel lot of faces bring smile on their face kids love me when i make delicious desserts for them on top of that there is not any horrible boss. God made me boss this time and my staff loves me a lot becoz i never do things with them what my bosses used to do with me.

                      about post it was a laughing session mate lol

                      God bless you both

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                        good_logic
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                        Peace Imran.
                        Thanks for making me happy also knowing that you are happier.
                        May GOD bless you more brother.
                        PSOne day I may turn up your way to check that your staff are being looked after. Only kidding, They are lucky ,GOD bless them all
                        Peace.

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          Peace Imran.
                          Thanks for making me happy also knowing that you are happier.
                          May GOD bless you more brother.
                          PSOne day I may turn up your way to check that your staff are being looked after. Only kidding, They are lucky ,GOD bless them all
                          Peace.

                          peace Gl,

                          thanks brother, and you are always welcome to visit me.. and then you will automatically feel yourself lucky becoz you will gona feel the taste of love in our desserts.. sweet staff and sweet servings

                          God bless you too

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                            good_logic
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                            Brother Imran, the G In GL stands for "good" not Jaffar!!!
                            I smiled, at your post,I imagined you, me and Jaffar having a "sweet" chat over a coffee in the west country.
                            We were not discussing Qoran!!!
                            GOD bless you.
                            Peace

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                              imrankhawaja
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                              Brother Imran, the G In GL stands for "good" not Jaffar!!!
                              I smiled, at your post,I imagined you, me and Jaffar having a "sweet" chat over a coffee in the west country.
                              We were not discussing Qoran!!!
                              GOD bless you.
                              Peace

                              peace.

                              bad Illogic from me lol
                              i just write the name of jaffar mistakenly and then i realise and edit my post.

                              jaffar must be sneezing hypno rotfl

                              God bless you both.

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