So-called Hijri Calendar was not in use in (most of) 7th CE
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I simply do not understand why people are using PERF558 or whatever to assume that Ramadhan is the name of a month. I mean seriously, there is no evidence for that or whatsoever. If the Quran is really from God we would expect it to make use of an objective way to count time as opposed to arbitrary man-made calendars. Plus even is we suppose that Ramadhan is really the name of a month, then would the Quran just let us guess which one it is ?!?! I mean c'mon guys ahahah...
Ramadhan cannot be the name of some arbitrary arab month, it has to be a descriptive term.
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With this, all the dates of the above documents, and more now perfectly match.
The Arab era started on 1st Dhu al-Qa'da which felt on 4th September 620
peace, there is an error if rolling back from Perf 558 off by three months.
https//www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=01&d1=12&y1=620&m2=4&d2=26&y2=643
From and including Saturday, January 12, 0620
To, but not including Saturday, April 26, 0643Result 8505 days
(8505 days) / lunar month = 288288 / 12 = 24
http//astropixels.com/ephemeris/phasescat/phases0601.html
year new moon crescent # month
620 Jan 10 12 6 Jumada al-thani 1
620 Feb 9 11 7 Rajab 1
620 Mar 10 12 8 Sha?bn 1
620 Apr 8 10 9 Raman 1
620 May 8 10 10 Shawwl 1
620 Jun 6 8 11 Dh al-Qa?dah 1
620 Jul 5 7 12 Dh al-ijjah 1
620 Aug 3 5 1 Muarram 1
620 Sep 2 4 2 afar 1643 Apr 24 26 6 Jumada al-thani 1
jumada al-ula 30, 22 AH / April 25, 643 CE / Pharmouthi 30, the 1st indiction (Perf 55
A last word about Qur'an it is not clear what kind of calendar is advocated in Qur'an although Surah 12 can only make sense with a solar or luni-solar calendar.
no "calendar" only solar years solstices used (N. and S. hemispheres) for timings.
peace, slight clarification nuance in translation; usage depends on context if singular, dual, plural, group, etc.
mun/year (solar)
sinina/years (solar)
sanatan/age/year (solar) -
peace, there is an error if rolling back from Perf 558 off by three months.
https//www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=01&d1=12&y1=620&m2=4&d2=26&y2=643
From and including Saturday, January 12, 0620
To, but not including Saturday, April 26, 0643Result 8505 days
(8505 days) / lunar month = 288288 / 12 = 24
http//astropixels.com/ephemeris/phasescat/phases0601.html
year new moon crescent # month
620 Jan 10 12 6 Jumada al-thani 1
620 Feb 9 11 7 Rajab 1
620 Mar 10 12 8 Sha?bn 1
620 Apr 8 10 9 Raman 1
620 May 8 10 10 Shawwl 1
620 Jun 6 8 11 Dh al-Qa?dah 1
620 Jul 5 7 12 Dh al-ijjah 1
620 Aug 3 5 1 Muarram 1
620 Sep 2 4 2 afar 1643 Apr 24 26 6 Jumada al-thani 1
jumada al-ula 30, 22 AH / April 25, 643 CE / Pharmouthi 30, the 1st indiction (Perf 55
no "calendar" only solar years solstices used (N. and S. hemispheres) for timings.
What would be the point of 3am and sana being the same thing in the Quran, this is linguistic redundancy in its purest form. You saying Nuh really lived 950 years???
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What would be the point of 3am and sana being the same thing in the Quran, this is linguistic redundancy in its purest form. You saying Nuh really lived 950 years???
peace, we know little about the ancients (simply google megaliths around the globe); likewise the human body is built to live forever; auto-correcting code; eyes cells immortal; cells in human body replenish every 7 years; stomach lining cells renew every 4 days, etc.
(3) different words used ...
mun/year (singular 1 or 100)
mayni/year two (dual 2 or 200)
sinina/years (plural 3-9 and 300-900)explained ...
1247 said thou cultivating saba/seven (7) sinina/years
i.e. cultivating (7) individual years 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
not saba/seven sanatan (i.e. 7-year period)
1249 furthermore approached from after such mun/year (single year)it's like ...
im'ra-atun/woman (singular)
imra-atayni/two women
nisai/womenfolk (3+ plural)whereas sanatan is used for time-length.
2537 and folk noah to what deny they of the messengers (i.e. 3+) drowns we them and made we them to the humankind sign ...
2914 and surely sent we of nan ("a noah" to folk his so remain among them thousand (1,000) sanatin (millennium time length) except group of fifty man/year of so seizes them the deluge and they were unjustly
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Salaam All
mea culpa too.
my own calculations shows also that there is a d?rivation between arabic year and solar year
Document 1https//www.islamic-awareness.org/history/islam/papyri/perf558
Document 2 https//www.islamic-awareness.org/history/islam/papyri/enlp10.html
Document 3 http//www.skypoint.com/members/waltzmn/MSDating.html#Indictiondocument 1 states that month 8 (coptic calendar) in ndiction 1 correspond to month 5 in arabic year 22
document 2 states that month 2 in indiction 5 correspond to month 11 in arabic year 87so in respective calandar names
Jumd I, 22
Dhl-Qadah, 87 AHand
Pharmouthi (month 8 ) of the 1st indiction
Phaphi ( month 2 ) of the 5 th indictiondocument 3 just give to what years corresponds indictions for first eight month1..
document 1 states that indiction 1 is in 643
document 2 states that indiction 5 is in 707.difference between the two arabic months is 11/87 - 5/22 =87-22+0.5=65.5
difference between the two coptic months 2/707 -8/643 =707-643-0.5=63.5which is two years difference and that is the normal difference beween lunar and solar calandar in 65 years
so it seems really that arabic calendar was lunar and used at least from 643.
however, it was not used in the life of muhammad. So it has no "islamic" value. It just inform us what people understood in era in wich calendar was put.this are months in coptic egyptian calendar
Bohairic Sahidic Coptic Arabic
1 Thout Tt August 29 - September 27
2 Paopi Bba September 28 - October 27
3 Hathor Htr October 28 - November 26
4 Koiak Kiyk November 27 - December 26
5 Tobi ba December 27 - January 25
6 Meshir Amshr January 26 - February 24
7 Paremhat Baramht February 25 - March 26
8 Parmouti Baramda March 27 - April 25
9 Pashons Bashans April 26 - May 25
10 Paoni Ba?nah May 26 - June 24
11 Epip Abb June 25 - July 24
12 Mesori Misr? July 25 - August 23
13 Pi Kogi Enavot Nas? August 24 - August 28interesting to note the 13 th month who "arabs" choose to call nasi.
so we have two dealings with remonder days
Coptic method; keep them in each year
Hebrew method;later them until they can make a complete month and add a complete lunar cycle in an embolismic year.interesting also to note this
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that is without hamza , the meaning is to forget and with hamza the meaning is to later.
So Quran seeams to says Hebrew method is wrong.the interesting thing also to note is that quran says that people who do nasi'a obtain the right counting some years
Since hijri is the only "full unar calendar" known, a right counting each 33 years seems very few.I agree with bro ayman method which says to count 12 full lunar cycles and to neglect the 11 residual days in a way like coptic did
in the aim not to loose the seasons, rabii awal is in spring so ramadan is september. And siyam, whatever it is, occurs in a period where length of day is the same around the planet.hope brother ayman make his mea culpa about the leylatou el qadr= summer solistice.
hope brother lath make his mea culpa about the leylatou el qadr= winter solistice.
i have no doubt that laylatou el qadr is equinox and there is two laylatou el qadr each year
hope also that bro pazuzu make his mea culpa about the flat earth theory and that he come back.
Both brother pazuzu and brother Ayman and brother layth did a great work toward truth.very interesting also the fact that 1/1/1 falls around summer solistice july 622 wich is a shar haram for me. (on shahr each three months).
i suspect this month to be the month in wich prophet died since i am convinced that hijra occured before 617.and that there was no quran before 617.
and a sch
Muhammad was a great leader and a wise and learned person before receiving quran.Peace
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Peace!
Lunisolar Calendar was in use by the most of the ancients till the church changed it to a pure solar calendar. Also the pure luni calendar is an innovation by the so loved khalif umar
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbzFGEfgP_8
Our ulama justify it with the Qur'ans claim about the arbitrary adjustment of the 13th month, but it is only directed to the responsible for that manipulation during the times of the jahiliyya. The Lunisolar Calendar has a fixed system for the adjustment of the 13th month.
Year begins when the sun enters aries (spring) and ends when it leaves pisces (winter).