Could someone please explain following verse to me?
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Where does it say the water stood ? Assad's interpretation is clearer
Thereupon We inspired Moses thus Strike the sea with thy staff!?- whereupon it parted, and each part appeared like a mountain vast.2663Waves can look like mountain. But yeah, in some places, sea water separates for some minutes or hours. People can thus drive over the floor. There is one place like this in Europe. I think the path gets covered by the sea/river water after 7am or something.
The floor of a sea is in great depth. How would one go to the floor of a sea? Further waves have a specific word. cannot refer waves. Waves move.
"Strike the sea with thy staff!?. If he did not know for what to strike, the sentence would have been vague for him also. The next verbal sentence was not addressed to him, but is informative for the reader as to what had happened when he struck the sea with his staff.
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Thereby, Our Majesty conveyed to Ms that "Strike the Gulf of Suez with the help of your staff (to emerge for them the dried up passage/Fringing reef-as earlier told 2077]".
Sorry Mazhar but I cannot stop highlighting what you add to the verses.
Sequel to his striking, that (the dried passage); itself emerged becoming visible.
This whole red part is not in the verse.
Thereat, each segment - assemblage of its parts was like the Big Bone-Skeleton stationed firmly at its position.
This is about the Episode of famous Exodus. Background information needs to be referred.
And what is your source of background information?
Here is an interpretation by Parwez Ahmad
26 (63) So We sent a revelation to Moses, saying, ?Take your people to the sea/river (from a particular direction) and then cross it at a point where it has become dry (2077, 4424).?
Then when it was dawn, the two groups stood across from each other like huge masses. (The Bani-Israel on one side of the seariver and the army of Pharaoh on the other.)http//tolueislam.org/exposition-of-the-holy-quran-26-surah-ash-shuara-g-a-parwez/
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Pazuzu explained in this forum this passage and the whole episode of the night travel of the people of Musa and their persecutors in a very clear a conclusive way.
No Gulf of Suez.
I have tried to retrieve it from the forum, but I do not know why I cannot get anything out of the search function.
Salaam
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The floor of a sea is in great depth. How would one go to the floor of a sea? Further waves have a specific word. cannot refer waves. Waves move.
"Strike the sea with thy staff!?. If he did not know for what to strike, the sentence would have been vague for him also. The next verbal sentence was not addressed to him, but is informative for the reader as to what had happened when he struck the sea with his staff.
Floor of the sea is not plain. A piece of floor can always come upward because of earthquake.
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Sorry Mazhar but I cannot stop highlighting what you add to the verses.
This whole red part is not in the verse.
And what is your source of background information?
Here is an interpretation by Parwez Ahmad
26 (63) So We sent a revelation to Moses, saying, ?Take your people to the sea/river (from a particular direction) and then cross it at a point where it has become dry (2077, 4424).?
Then when it was dawn, the two groups stood across from each other like huge masses. (The Bani-Israel on one side of the seariver and the army of Pharaoh on the other.)http//tolueislam.org/exposition-of-the-holy-quran-26-surah-ash-shuara-g-a-parwez/
The first thing you consider is not in Original text is "Gulf of Suez".
This is because of translation of Pervez "the river/sea".
So he accepts the wordhttp//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.050/6.gif in Arabic can signify either river and sea. Thereby, you will agree that in a text it cannot mean both because river and sea are very different from other sharing similarity of reservoir of water - trench, or cleave lengthwise which is the concept of its Root
Please notice the actual word in the source text which Pervez and many others missed; it ishttp//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.050/2.gif.
It is a combination of two words. One prefixed article and a common noun. Both in English the word "the" and "" are determiner denoting things already mentioned or assumed to be common knowledge of Speaker and the addressee.
Speaker and addressee both knew what it referred.
And this word specifying a specific entity with exclusion to all other similar entities mentioned in one to one speech needs to be found out by the translator by studying the entire episode in the Book.
It is mentioned at other places. By crossing this specific Reservoir of Water they had reached to a place which is on the shore of Gulf of Suez.
Pervez has also mentioned in the brackets the direction of journey. On that side of Egypt it is not river but Gulf of Suez.
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But that does not come in manner of joining two edges of the sea. They are pieces of land surrounded by sea water.
Reefs are also on the surface of the water.
Considering the fact that humans know only 10% about the earth water, without proper scientific research, it would be hard to say how it all happened.
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The first thing you consider is not in Original text is "Gulf of Suez".
This is because of translation of Pervez "the river/sea".
So he accepts the wordhttp//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.050/6.gif in Arabic can signify either river and sea. Thereby, you will agree that in a text it cannot mean both because river and sea are very different from other sharing similarity of reservoir of water - trench, or cleave lengthwise which is the concept of its Root
Please notice the actual word in the source text which Pervez and many others missed; it ishttp//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.050/2.gif.
It is a combination of two words. One prefixed article and a common noun. Both in English the word "the" and "" are determiner denoting things already mentioned or assumed to be common knowledge of Speaker and the addressee.
Speaker and addressee both knew what it referred.
"Al" could also be a genre like
It is mentioned at other places. By crossing this specific Reservoir of Water they had reached to a place which is on the shore of Gulf of Suez.
Which other places. unless they are outside of Quran, say it was the shore of Gulf of Suez.
Pervez has also mentioned in the brackets the direction of journey. On that side of Egypt it is not river but Gulf of Suez.
I did not see any place in brackets. He only wrote "from a certain direction" in his Mafhoom ul Quran.
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"Al" could also be a genre like
Which other places. unless they are outside of Quran, say it was the shore of Gulf of Suez.
I did not see any place in brackets. He only wrote "from a certain direction" in his Mafhoom ul Quran.
In injunctive text it is not like this; commands are specific.
It is mentioned where did they reach after crossing the specific water reservoir
http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/7.138.gif
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.249/533.%20Jawazaho%20Jeem%20Waw%20Ze/2.gif
Verb Perfect; First person; Plural/Sovereign Singular; Masculine; ; Suffixed Subject Pronoun; nominative state; Verbal Noun. It stems from Root . It signifies crossing over a place, a passage which is crossed from one side to other. Its object is Gulf of Suez. The travelers on the passage over the Water of the Gulf of Suez were the Messengers along with Bani Iesraa'eel.Why the object of verb http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.050/1.gif be taken as Gulf of Suez? Because they were rescued to a place which is located on other side of the Gulf of Suez. It is explicitly mentioned
In the entire globe there is no At Tur by the bank of a Sea except the one on the Eastern shore of Gulf of Suez opposite to a location known as R?s Shukeir. The width of Gulf is 12 to 20 miles. The width between Ras Shukeir and right side of At Tur seems on shorter side in the Google Map. And we will see them in later part of the study that they had moved out of the Egypt towards East to escape.
Exodus - Eyewitness account
From Egypt to At-Tur by crossing over Gulf of Suez
http//haqeeqat.pk/Exodus.htm
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In injunctive text it is not like this; commands are specific.
It is mentioned where did they reach after crossing the specific water reservoir
http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/7.138.gif
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.249/533.%20Jawazaho%20Jeem%20Waw%20Ze/2.gif
Verb Perfect; First person; Plural/Sovereign Singular; Masculine; ; Suffixed Subject Pronoun; nominative state; Verbal Noun. It stems from Root . It signifies crossing over a place, a passage which is crossed from one side to other. Its object is Gulf of Suez. The travelers on the passage over the Water of the Gulf of Suez were the Messengers along with Bani Iesraa'eel.Why the object of verb http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.050/1.gif be taken as Gulf of Suez? Because they were rescued to a place which is located on other side of the Gulf of Suez. It is explicitly mentioned
In the entire globe there is no At Tur by the bank of a Sea except the one on the Eastern shore of Gulf of Suez opposite to a location known as R?s Shukeir. The width of Gulf is 12 to 20 miles. The width between Ras Shukeir and right side of At Tur seems on shorter side in the Google Map. And we will see them in later part of the study that they had moved out of the Egypt towards East to escape.
Exodus - Eyewitness account
From Egypt to At-Tur by crossing over Gulf of Suez
http//haqeeqat.pk/Exodus.htm
There is no proof that claimed mount in Sina is toor mentioned in Quran. It all is based on supposition that bani Israeel were in "misr" which is named Egypt. Calling Misr as Egypt is inself very strange.
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There is no proof that claimed mount in Sina is toor mentioned in Quran. It all is based on supposition that bani Israeel were in "misr" which is named Egypt. Calling Misr as Egypt is inself very strange.
Misr is the original name; Western world mentions it as Egypt. Try finding Misr elsewhere in the World. Did GA Pervez found out Misr other than Egypt.
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I have found Pazuzu's text which settle the question of this aya and of all the events sourrounding it. It is long so I will but it by stages
First
Where did Far?awn Drown?
The key to cracking this puzzle lies in our understanding of the word yamm which has been erroneously translated to mean sea. The Qurn, in certain passages, states that Far?awn and his henchmen drowned in the bar; while in other passages, it tells us that they perished in the yamm. Does this mean that the two words are synonymous? Absolutely not! There are no synonymous terms whatsoever in the eloquent tongue of the Qurn. The terms bar and yamm are derived from completely different roots, and hence cannot have the same meaning. So what is the solution then?We have already shown you that the word bar simply designates a large basin of abundant water. But what about yamm? Since there are no synonyms in the Qurnic text, the only possible explanation is that yamm is a description of this body of water. It is specifying what kind of bar it was that Far?awn drowned in. Hence bar is the general term, while yamm is the specific one. The relation between the two terms is comparable to the relation between the terms vehicle (general) and car (specific).
When Msa was born, his mother placed him in the yamm . The brainwashed commentators interpreted this yamm as the Nile River, without any proof whatsoever. When Far?awn drowned in the yamm, they interpreted it as the Sea of Reeds, just south of todays the Suez Canal. And when Msa threw the golden calf of the Smiriy in the yamm , they imagined it as a stream in the so-called ?Sinai Peninsula? (since they could not find a single river there). As you can see, they gave the same word three different interpretations - thus making a mockery of Allahs words - in order to make the story fit with the geography of Egypt.
The truth of the matter is that the word yamm has only one meaning; and this meaning is common to several of the so-called ?Semitic? languages, notably Arabic, Aramaic, and Syriac. It means a great, flowing stream of water. This word appears exclusively in the story of Msa, and has no other meaning. In fact, if you visit the regions of ?Aseer and Yemen (South Arabia) and ask the locals today what the word yamm means, they will unanimously tell you that it is a great stream which flows down a mountainside. Once the yamm reaches flat, open ground, it becomes a nahr (river). Such is the eloquence and precision of the Qurnic tongue.
Using this knowledge to give the word a consistent meaning in the Qurn, the story then becomes clear, and the puzzle is solved Msas mother placed him in a stream; Far?awn drowned in a stream, and the calf of the Smiriy was hurled into a stream. Far?awn did not drown in the Red Sea, as the Zionist propaganda would have us believe. He drowned in an inland body of water, somewhere in the Srat mountains of ancient Yemen.
The proof can be found in the following signs
{And We inspired to Moses ?Go forth with my servants, in secret. You will be followed? * So Farawn sent gatherers to the towns * ?They are but a small band. * And they have enraged us. * And we are all gathered and forewarned?. * So, We evicted them out of gardens and springs * And treasures and an honorable station * As such, We made the Children of Israel inherit it all * So they were pursued at sunrise * But when the two groups saw each other, the companions of Msa said ?We are caught!? * He said ?No, my Rabb is with me and He will guide me?. * So We inspired to Msa ?Strike forth towards the bar with conviction?. So it split into two, each side like a great cliff face * And We then brought the others
(the pursuers) near * And We saved Msa and all those with him *Then We drowned the others}.....The Israelites, led by Msa (P), fled Mir (a prominent walled citadel in ancient Yemen), at night. This is the essence of isr' (the departure from a place in secrecy, without attracting attention). It was not until after Far?awn realized the Israelites had left, that he gathered a party of hunters from the nearby villages, and launched a full pursuit of what he called ?a small band?. Would the great kings of Egypt, who lived in huge palaces with an army ready at their call, prepared to take on rival empires at any time, need to send callers to nearby villages to organize a search party? Would Ramses, Merneptah or Imhotep, personally take it upon themselves to chase a small band across the wilderness of Egypt? Furthermore, how far had Msa and the Israelites gone before Far?awn caught up to them? Let's think a bit the Qurn is telling us that Far?awn and his band moved faster than the Israelites, because despite the renegades head start, the pursuers were still able to gather themselves and catch up to them at dawn of the next day.
Then comes the critical part Allah tells us that the two parties reached a point where they were close enough to gaze upon each other {But when the two groups saw each other, the companions of Msa said ?We are caught!?}. The average width of the Sea of Reeds, the alleged crossing point, is around 25 kilometers (as shown in the map below). It would have been impossible for the two parties to see each other across that distance, taking into consideration the conditions (time and place) surrounding the event......
Salaam
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The truth of the matter is that the word yamm has only one meaning; and this meaning is common to several of the so-called ?Semitic? languages, notably Arabic, Aramaic, and Syriac. It means a great, flowing stream of water. This word appears exclusively in the story of Msa, and has no other meaning. In fact, if you visit the regions of ?Aseer and Yemen (South Arabia) and ask the locals today what the word yamm means, they will unanimously tell you that it is a great stream which flows down a mountainside. Once the yamm reaches flat, open ground, it becomes a nahr (river). Such is the eloquence and precision of the Qurnic tongue.
Stream means
a small, narrow river.
But since he is insisting that it means water flowing down from mountains, verb stream means "flow in a continuous current in a specified direction".Can one say so and so drowned in the flow of water? He naively fails to see the preposition used with the word.
People drown into the bed of a water reservoir; not in the water continuously flowing from mountains.
Water reservoir alternatively throws a body in the water to its bank. He further naively overlooks this
Has someone seen of water flowing down from mountains? Simply absurd thought.
Hence all his work is baseless and just a palaver,
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No, Pazuzu's work is very sound. You are stuck with your egyptian bible lore which may match your own whims and bible hadith, but which do not match AT ALL the qur'an.
But that is your trade I guess, and it is understandable that you pursue it.
Salaam
How one can be blind to ground facts, except when one is blocked by passions and personality worship.
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look who's speaking!
My real passion are your serious posts. Nothing can get funnier. Specially when you spice them with the star word "palaver".
Salaam
Any argument, evidence to rebut what I have stated to refute his ill understanding of word "Yem" on which is based his paper?
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Misr is the original name; Western world mentions it as Egypt. Try finding Misr elsewhere in the World. Did GA Pervez found out Misr other than Egypt.
GA Pervez was not god but a humble scholar who tried his best to understand Quran. He never claimed himself free of mistakes.
Our Prophet used "GYPT" in the alleged letter to head of your "MISR".
I do not know about GA Pervez but I did find a Misr in 261
