Could someone please explain following verse to me?
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The floor of a sea is in great depth. How would one go to the floor of a sea? Further waves have a specific word. cannot refer waves. Waves move.
"Strike the sea with thy staff!?. If he did not know for what to strike, the sentence would have been vague for him also. The next verbal sentence was not addressed to him, but is informative for the reader as to what had happened when he struck the sea with his staff.
Floor of the sea is not plain. A piece of floor can always come upward because of earthquake.
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Sorry Mazhar but I cannot stop highlighting what you add to the verses.
This whole red part is not in the verse.
And what is your source of background information?
Here is an interpretation by Parwez Ahmad
26 (63) So We sent a revelation to Moses, saying, ?Take your people to the sea/river (from a particular direction) and then cross it at a point where it has become dry (2077, 4424).?
Then when it was dawn, the two groups stood across from each other like huge masses. (The Bani-Israel on one side of the seariver and the army of Pharaoh on the other.)http//tolueislam.org/exposition-of-the-holy-quran-26-surah-ash-shuara-g-a-parwez/
The first thing you consider is not in Original text is "Gulf of Suez".
This is because of translation of Pervez "the river/sea".
So he accepts the wordhttp//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.050/6.gif in Arabic can signify either river and sea. Thereby, you will agree that in a text it cannot mean both because river and sea are very different from other sharing similarity of reservoir of water - trench, or cleave lengthwise which is the concept of its Root
Please notice the actual word in the source text which Pervez and many others missed; it ishttp//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.050/2.gif.
It is a combination of two words. One prefixed article and a common noun. Both in English the word "the" and "" are determiner denoting things already mentioned or assumed to be common knowledge of Speaker and the addressee.
Speaker and addressee both knew what it referred.
And this word specifying a specific entity with exclusion to all other similar entities mentioned in one to one speech needs to be found out by the translator by studying the entire episode in the Book.
It is mentioned at other places. By crossing this specific Reservoir of Water they had reached to a place which is on the shore of Gulf of Suez.
Pervez has also mentioned in the brackets the direction of journey. On that side of Egypt it is not river but Gulf of Suez.
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But that does not come in manner of joining two edges of the sea. They are pieces of land surrounded by sea water.
Reefs are also on the surface of the water.
Considering the fact that humans know only 10% about the earth water, without proper scientific research, it would be hard to say how it all happened.
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The first thing you consider is not in Original text is "Gulf of Suez".
This is because of translation of Pervez "the river/sea".
So he accepts the wordhttp//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.050/6.gif in Arabic can signify either river and sea. Thereby, you will agree that in a text it cannot mean both because river and sea are very different from other sharing similarity of reservoir of water - trench, or cleave lengthwise which is the concept of its Root
Please notice the actual word in the source text which Pervez and many others missed; it ishttp//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.050/2.gif.
It is a combination of two words. One prefixed article and a common noun. Both in English the word "the" and "" are determiner denoting things already mentioned or assumed to be common knowledge of Speaker and the addressee.
Speaker and addressee both knew what it referred.
"Al" could also be a genre like
It is mentioned at other places. By crossing this specific Reservoir of Water they had reached to a place which is on the shore of Gulf of Suez.
Which other places. unless they are outside of Quran, say it was the shore of Gulf of Suez.
Pervez has also mentioned in the brackets the direction of journey. On that side of Egypt it is not river but Gulf of Suez.
I did not see any place in brackets. He only wrote "from a certain direction" in his Mafhoom ul Quran.
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"Al" could also be a genre like
Which other places. unless they are outside of Quran, say it was the shore of Gulf of Suez.
I did not see any place in brackets. He only wrote "from a certain direction" in his Mafhoom ul Quran.
In injunctive text it is not like this; commands are specific.
It is mentioned where did they reach after crossing the specific water reservoir
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Verb Perfect; First person; Plural/Sovereign Singular; Masculine; ; Suffixed Subject Pronoun; nominative state; Verbal Noun. It stems from Root . It signifies crossing over a place, a passage which is crossed from one side to other. Its object is Gulf of Suez. The travelers on the passage over the Water of the Gulf of Suez were the Messengers along with Bani Iesraa'eel.Why the object of verb http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.050/1.gif be taken as Gulf of Suez? Because they were rescued to a place which is located on other side of the Gulf of Suez. It is explicitly mentioned
In the entire globe there is no At Tur by the bank of a Sea except the one on the Eastern shore of Gulf of Suez opposite to a location known as R?s Shukeir. The width of Gulf is 12 to 20 miles. The width between Ras Shukeir and right side of At Tur seems on shorter side in the Google Map. And we will see them in later part of the study that they had moved out of the Egypt towards East to escape.
Exodus - Eyewitness account
From Egypt to At-Tur by crossing over Gulf of Suez
http//haqeeqat.pk/Exodus.htm
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In injunctive text it is not like this; commands are specific.
It is mentioned where did they reach after crossing the specific water reservoir
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Verb Perfect; First person; Plural/Sovereign Singular; Masculine; ; Suffixed Subject Pronoun; nominative state; Verbal Noun. It stems from Root . It signifies crossing over a place, a passage which is crossed from one side to other. Its object is Gulf of Suez. The travelers on the passage over the Water of the Gulf of Suez were the Messengers along with Bani Iesraa'eel.Why the object of verb http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.050/1.gif be taken as Gulf of Suez? Because they were rescued to a place which is located on other side of the Gulf of Suez. It is explicitly mentioned
In the entire globe there is no At Tur by the bank of a Sea except the one on the Eastern shore of Gulf of Suez opposite to a location known as R?s Shukeir. The width of Gulf is 12 to 20 miles. The width between Ras Shukeir and right side of At Tur seems on shorter side in the Google Map. And we will see them in later part of the study that they had moved out of the Egypt towards East to escape.
Exodus - Eyewitness account
From Egypt to At-Tur by crossing over Gulf of Suez
http//haqeeqat.pk/Exodus.htm
There is no proof that claimed mount in Sina is toor mentioned in Quran. It all is based on supposition that bani Israeel were in "misr" which is named Egypt. Calling Misr as Egypt is inself very strange.
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There is no proof that claimed mount in Sina is toor mentioned in Quran. It all is based on supposition that bani Israeel were in "misr" which is named Egypt. Calling Misr as Egypt is inself very strange.
Misr is the original name; Western world mentions it as Egypt. Try finding Misr elsewhere in the World. Did GA Pervez found out Misr other than Egypt.
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I have found Pazuzu's text which settle the question of this aya and of all the events sourrounding it. It is long so I will but it by stages
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Where did Far?awn Drown?
The key to cracking this puzzle lies in our understanding of the word yamm which has been erroneously translated to mean sea. The Qurn, in certain passages, states that Far?awn and his henchmen drowned in the bar; while in other passages, it tells us that they perished in the yamm. Does this mean that the two words are synonymous? Absolutely not! There are no synonymous terms whatsoever in the eloquent tongue of the Qurn. The terms bar and yamm are derived from completely different roots, and hence cannot have the same meaning. So what is the solution then?We have already shown you that the word bar simply designates a large basin of abundant water. But what about yamm? Since there are no synonyms in the Qurnic text, the only possible explanation is that yamm is a description of this body of water. It is specifying what kind of bar it was that Far?awn drowned in. Hence bar is the general term, while yamm is the specific one. The relation between the two terms is comparable to the relation between the terms vehicle (general) and car (specific).
When Msa was born, his mother placed him in the yamm . The brainwashed commentators interpreted this yamm as the Nile River, without any proof whatsoever. When Far?awn drowned in the yamm, they interpreted it as the Sea of Reeds, just south of todays the Suez Canal. And when Msa threw the golden calf of the Smiriy in the yamm , they imagined it as a stream in the so-called ?Sinai Peninsula? (since they could not find a single river there). As you can see, they gave the same word three different interpretations - thus making a mockery of Allahs words - in order to make the story fit with the geography of Egypt.
The truth of the matter is that the word yamm has only one meaning; and this meaning is common to several of the so-called ?Semitic? languages, notably Arabic, Aramaic, and Syriac. It means a great, flowing stream of water. This word appears exclusively in the story of Msa, and has no other meaning. In fact, if you visit the regions of ?Aseer and Yemen (South Arabia) and ask the locals today what the word yamm means, they will unanimously tell you that it is a great stream which flows down a mountainside. Once the yamm reaches flat, open ground, it becomes a nahr (river). Such is the eloquence and precision of the Qurnic tongue.
Using this knowledge to give the word a consistent meaning in the Qurn, the story then becomes clear, and the puzzle is solved Msas mother placed him in a stream; Far?awn drowned in a stream, and the calf of the Smiriy was hurled into a stream. Far?awn did not drown in the Red Sea, as the Zionist propaganda would have us believe. He drowned in an inland body of water, somewhere in the Srat mountains of ancient Yemen.
The proof can be found in the following signs
{And We inspired to Moses ?Go forth with my servants, in secret. You will be followed? * So Farawn sent gatherers to the towns * ?They are but a small band. * And they have enraged us. * And we are all gathered and forewarned?. * So, We evicted them out of gardens and springs * And treasures and an honorable station * As such, We made the Children of Israel inherit it all * So they were pursued at sunrise * But when the two groups saw each other, the companions of Msa said ?We are caught!? * He said ?No, my Rabb is with me and He will guide me?. * So We inspired to Msa ?Strike forth towards the bar with conviction?. So it split into two, each side like a great cliff face * And We then brought the others
(the pursuers) near * And We saved Msa and all those with him *Then We drowned the others}.....The Israelites, led by Msa (P), fled Mir (a prominent walled citadel in ancient Yemen), at night. This is the essence of isr' (the departure from a place in secrecy, without attracting attention). It was not until after Far?awn realized the Israelites had left, that he gathered a party of hunters from the nearby villages, and launched a full pursuit of what he called ?a small band?. Would the great kings of Egypt, who lived in huge palaces with an army ready at their call, prepared to take on rival empires at any time, need to send callers to nearby villages to organize a search party? Would Ramses, Merneptah or Imhotep, personally take it upon themselves to chase a small band across the wilderness of Egypt? Furthermore, how far had Msa and the Israelites gone before Far?awn caught up to them? Let's think a bit the Qurn is telling us that Far?awn and his band moved faster than the Israelites, because despite the renegades head start, the pursuers were still able to gather themselves and catch up to them at dawn of the next day.
Then comes the critical part Allah tells us that the two parties reached a point where they were close enough to gaze upon each other {But when the two groups saw each other, the companions of Msa said ?We are caught!?}. The average width of the Sea of Reeds, the alleged crossing point, is around 25 kilometers (as shown in the map below). It would have been impossible for the two parties to see each other across that distance, taking into consideration the conditions (time and place) surrounding the event......
Salaam
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The truth of the matter is that the word yamm has only one meaning; and this meaning is common to several of the so-called ?Semitic? languages, notably Arabic, Aramaic, and Syriac. It means a great, flowing stream of water. This word appears exclusively in the story of Msa, and has no other meaning. In fact, if you visit the regions of ?Aseer and Yemen (South Arabia) and ask the locals today what the word yamm means, they will unanimously tell you that it is a great stream which flows down a mountainside. Once the yamm reaches flat, open ground, it becomes a nahr (river). Such is the eloquence and precision of the Qurnic tongue.
Stream means
a small, narrow river.
But since he is insisting that it means water flowing down from mountains, verb stream means "flow in a continuous current in a specified direction".Can one say so and so drowned in the flow of water? He naively fails to see the preposition used with the word.
People drown into the bed of a water reservoir; not in the water continuously flowing from mountains.
Water reservoir alternatively throws a body in the water to its bank. He further naively overlooks this
Has someone seen of water flowing down from mountains? Simply absurd thought.
Hence all his work is baseless and just a palaver,
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No, Pazuzu's work is very sound. You are stuck with your egyptian bible lore which may match your own whims and bible hadith, but which do not match AT ALL the qur'an.
But that is your trade I guess, and it is understandable that you pursue it.
Salaam
How one can be blind to ground facts, except when one is blocked by passions and personality worship.
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look who's speaking!
My real passion are your serious posts. Nothing can get funnier. Specially when you spice them with the star word "palaver".
Salaam
Any argument, evidence to rebut what I have stated to refute his ill understanding of word "Yem" on which is based his paper?
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Misr is the original name; Western world mentions it as Egypt. Try finding Misr elsewhere in the World. Did GA Pervez found out Misr other than Egypt.
GA Pervez was not god but a humble scholar who tried his best to understand Quran. He never claimed himself free of mistakes.
Our Prophet used "GYPT" in the alleged letter to head of your "MISR".
I do not know about GA Pervez but I did find a Misr in 261
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GA Pervez was not god but a humble scholar who tried his best to understand Quran. He never claimed himself free of mistakes.
Our Prophet used "GYPT" in the alleged letter to head of your "MISR".
I do not know about GA Pervez but I did find a Misr in 261
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Know this fact, Fir'aoun/Pharaoh circulated proclamation/address within his Nation, he said,"O my countrymen/nation, is the state/dominion of Misr not for me, and these streams of water are flowing by my side/underneath ?
Will you people still not see/focus ?
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Has someone seen of water flowing down from mountains? Simply absurd thought.
Hence all his work is baseless and just a palaver,
Please check Raghib and Taj-ul-Aroos for the meaning of root to understand
ا ?ar-riyaahu nashalul ard) winds scrape the surface of the earth.
ا ?as-saahil) river bank or sea shore which is worn away (gradually) or scraped by the water {T,
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Know this fact, Fir'aoun/Pharaoh circulated proclamation/address within his Nation, he said,"O my countrymen/nation, is the state/dominion of Misr not for me, and these streams of water are flowing by my side/underneath ?
Will you people still not see/focus ?
Brother you have ignored 261 which could also explain use of misr in 4351
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Pazuzu's research continued
Map #7 The alleged ?crossing? point, in the Sea of Reeds, whose width ranges between 19 and 35 kilometers.
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The next photograph is a satellite image of the area, which shows just how wide the Sea of Reeds is at the imagined crossing point. It doesn't take a genius to realize that something is just plain wrong with the entire geography of the story, and that someone has been insulting our intelligence for centuries, while weve been unknowingly playing the drums and trumpets to the tune of their fraud.
Picture #20 Satellite image of the area.
An even more outrageous theory places the crossing point not at the Sea of Reeds, but further south, through the Red Sea itself! (See the following map). The advocates of this theory completely deny that Mount Sinai is on that famous peninsula, and claim that Msa (P) ended up in Arabia, somewhere in the Northern ijz region, where the Israelites wandered for 40 years before finally entering the so-called ?Promised Land? of Palestine. In fact, some contemporary Muslim commentators have shown enthusiasm and support for this latter theory, while completely ignoring the fact that it blatantly contradicts the obvious geography deduced from the Qurnic account. They are seemingly oblivious to the fact that the width of the Red sea at that point is around 200 kilometers! How could the two parties see each other from across that distance? Did the Israelites take binoculars with them on their journey?
The logic of the Qurnic account is easily understood once we clear our heads of inherited dogmas before contemplating its signs. The Israelites had not gone far at all when Far?awn caught up to them. Theres not a chance in Hell they could have reached the coast of the Sea of Reeds in one night. Furthermore, Far?awn and his henchmen were almost upon the evaders at the moment of the crossing. So where did these events take place?
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Map #8 An even more absurd candidate for the crossing point.
Here follows is a possible explanation of what happened
As we said before, Msa (P) and his people fled the citadel, in secret, at night. Far?awn didnt gather the search party until after he realized they were gone. The Children of Israel were most probably no more than six hundred in number. Far?awn caught up to them at dawn, which proves that the distance the evaders had covered could not have been long. When they saw that the tyrant and his henchmen were getting close and feared they would be caught, Allah comforted the heart of Msa and told him to head towards a river bed along the slope of a mountainside. The Israelites hiked upwards along a narrow path between two huge streams of water, like cliff banks on either side of them, until they reached the highland wilderness and were able to ford the stream. When the pursuers tried to take the same route, a third stream (yamm), which had been fed by previous heavy rainfalls, gushed into their path and washed them away.
Furthermore, we remind you once again that the Israelites eventually inherited everything that Far?awn and his followers left behind. How else can we explain the following?
{Msa said to his people ?Seek help with Allah, and be patient; the land is for Allah, He will inherit it to whom He pleases of His servants; and the ending will be for the righteous?.* They said ?We were being harmed before you came to us and since you have come to us?. He said ?Perhaps your Rabb will destroy your enemy, and make you successors in the land, so He sees how you work??}... .
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What About r Seen??
One of the most important and fundamental keys to understanding Allahs signs in the Qurn is to realize that there are no synonymous words in its vocabulary. The Qurn is so precise in its usage of terms, that it is impossible to substitute one term for another and maintain the exact same meaning. In many cases, words that appear, at first glance, to be synonymous, might very well constitute a case of general versus specific. We have recently seen that bar and yamm are not exactly synonymous. Likewise, the terms r (spirit) and nafs (soul), often confused by the classical commentators, are nowhere near having the same meaning. Other examples of words thought to be synonymous are ?m (year) and sanah (season or cycle); wlid (biological parent) and abb (general parent); ya?mal (to work) and yaf?al (to do); jabb (any general hole, pit or cavity) and bir (well). Famous Andalusian scholar Ibn ?Aiyyah once attested to this characteristic of the Qurn by saying
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Paraphrase ?If one term is removed from Allahs book, and the entire Arabic tongue is turned inside out in search for a better alternative to that term, none will be found?.
There is no compromise in the matter. Allah does not play games. It is the so-called Muslims who claimed the eloquent tongue (lisn) of the Qurn is simply a superior example of the Classical Arabic language (lughah) of poetry, and started substituting and interchanging words here and there in their exegeses, claiming that they are synonymous. (Note, incidentally, how they mixed up the terms lisn and lughah, thinking them to be synonyms). They envisioned the Qurn as some kind of show-down between Allah and the poets of Arabia, which Allah won in the end! In short, they have unknowingly made a mockery of the Divine Scripture.
Following the same logic as in our explanation of bar versus yamm, we come to another delicate issue the difference between the terms jabal (mountain) and r. Understanding this difference is of paramount importance in order for us to determine just where r Seen is actually located. The surprising thing we found when we read what the classical commentators said about this issue is that despite all their geographical confusion, they actually highlighted the distinction between the two terms. To give them due credit, let us list a few examples of what they wrote- In Tafseer al-Qurubi, we come across the following definition
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Paraphrase . - In the Tafseer of Ibn Katheer, we can read the following definition
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Paraphrase ?The Almighty swears by his creations, which are testaments to His great power, that chastisement shall fall upon His enemies, and that they cannot avert it. And the r is a mountain on which trees grow, like the one where Allah spoke to Msa, and from which ?Eesa was sent forth. And that upon which are no trees is not called a r , but is called (simply) a mountain?.
It seems they had known the truth all along. There, straight from their own mouths, is the answer to this age-old puzzle the difference between r and jabal is another case of general versus specific. Hence, every r is necessarily a mountain; but not every mountain is a r. A mountain that is covered with trees or vegetation in general, is called a r; whereas a towering, rocky, and barren feature is simply a jabal (plain mountain).
In fact, quite a few commentators who realized the implications of this difference between the two terms, vehemently rejected the theory that the r Seen mentioned in the Bible and the Qurn is the famous mountain located on the peninsula between Egypt and Palestine. Among those commentators was the prominent scholar Fakhruddeen al-Rzi who, in his exegesis of the Qurn, presented what he thought were strong arguments in favor of the r being located near Jerusalem.
The advocates of the Palestinian r theory actually thought that the Qurn supported their argument, specifically in the following passage {And a tree which emerges from r Seen; it grows with oil and is a relish for those who eat}?. Their argument is that olives do not grow - nor did they ever grow - on the so-called ?Sinai Peninsula?, which means that the Egyptian r theory clearly contradicts the Qurn. On the other hand, the ?Blessed Land? (al-ar al-mubrakah), which they automatically assumed was Palestine, has plenty of olive trees all year round. In fact, the mountain in question, which overlooks Jerusalem, is called ?the Mount of Olives?, and its peak is around 850 meters above sea level. Their conclusion was that r Seen is in fact the Mount of Olives.
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Salaam
- In Tafseer al-Qurubi, we come across the following definition