Are there Female prophetess
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SLM,
why is this so important that there were female messengers or not ???
do you realize this way the attention goes to humans ( again) .....what did all the prophets/ messengers do ?? delivering the message ... does is matter what kind(gender) the prophet/messenger is ??? no ... does it matter what kind their message is ... YES ...
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Why is it so important that there should not be female messengers? That brings also the attention to humans and excatly to the male humans, it seems to be the real humans omen bing merely an accident meqnt to give males support. ?Waw!
God does warn us not to reject the messengers those sent by Him, so we may reject at leasure, provided the rejected is female.
?Waw!
It would be sad if it wasn't so ludicruous.
As to that one who says I treat all the males like shit, well, you are not all the males ?are you? Does that look like conceit. Of course I do not treat all the males like that and continuously I make it very, very, very clear that there are very worth males, like prophets, but whenever one rejects males male chauvinism and pride, one is tol exactly what this person who writes this say, they make male chauvinists males to be the whole malekind. Well, not so. You are not hte male kind, you may be, I do not know, I just judge what is written int his forum, a chauvinist male when writing in the forum or in this thread, but you certinly are not all the male, don't do honest respectful male that calumny. Like one might say, you hid behind other males skirts. Shame on you. Fend for your preference of males, but do not put all the males int he same basket because each person is responsible anly for what the person does, nor for what the next person might do, whatever his or her sex.
DO NOT MONOPOLISE MALENESS as you monopolise prophethood. Males are not a block. And you know you must have noticed because I am very insistent on it. There are may very decent, males, real gentlemen, who do nto go around putting women in their place, but being helpful to them and respectful of them. I know them, I enjoy their company, I enjoy having them as awlias in this life.
So do not slander other males, please.
Salaam
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SLM Huruf,
my apologizes , i didn't know this was so high on your agenda , to get "equal " rights , even on the path of Allah you want to be equal .. if you think this way , its your right .. but Allah knows ... thats enough
but honestly does it really matters ?? there were a lot of unknown messengers , is it important to know also the unknown messengers ?? cause your saying
God does warn us not to reject the messengers those sent by Him
so you/we have to know them all ???but i get here feminists feeling , like you wanna proof woman can do the same task as men..... again does it matter ... the idea behind the messengers are to spread the word of Allah , no matter if the messenger is, black-white - red - woman - man or angel or jinn .the message is the goal.
pls ask yourself, why is this so important to you, what do you want to proof ?? and to whom you want to prove it ?? cause you dont have to prove it for Allah , he knows ...and if the male people rejected this and its indeed like the way you telling us, so whos gonna judge the male ... indeed ALLAH , not you , not me , not anyone of thing .....
May Allah guide us to the right path ...
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SLM Huruf,
my apologizes , i didn't know this was so high on your agenda , to get "equal " rights , even on the path of Allah you want to be equal .. if you think this way , its your right .. but Allah knows ... thats enough
but honestly does it really matters ?? there were a lot of unknown messengers , is it important to know also the unknown messengers ?? cause your saying so you/we have to know them all ???
but i get here feminists feeling , like you wanna proof woman can do the same task as men..... again does it matter ... the idea behind the messengers are to spread the word of Allah , no matter if the messenger is, black-white - red - woman - man or angel or jinn .the message is the goal.
pls ask yourself, why is this so important to you, what do you want to proof ?? and to whom you want to prove it ?? cause you dont have to prove it for Allah , he knows ...and if the male people rejected this and its indeed like the way you telling us, so whos gonna judge the male ... indeed ALLAH , not you , not me , not anyone of thing .....
May Allah guide us to the right path ...
Plase, please,
why is it so important for you that no female may be a prophet.
Why you attach the epithet feminist and with it you attempt to put someone in her place and make her feel that there is just the wish "to be qual..." Really you must think very, very lowly of women to imagine that any woman wants to be equal to any man.May be that is the only reason you imagine for anybody to think to reach the heaven of being equal to man. And of course man is prophet, and woman is not prophet.
Your reasoning is mind baffling.
And of course it means that you think Maryam is of no consequence, that God was just loking sending her to merely parade around and be nice and vergin, or not virgin but nice and stay in her place. That is Maryam for you, fine enjoy, but do not use your own conceptions to continue serving us the legend of "wanting to be equal to men". That is insulting.
I may not be insulted by it, because I just despise too much that easy and cheap resort to handing out "feminist" and "wanting to be qual" which is boring, but the way you use it definitely you want to put on us who do not agree with your "male ?ber alles" moto in the bad spot.
You may want to be equal to men. Not me. And ye, I am a feminist and the reason for it are people you say or do or believe things like what you say. And why shouldn't be there feminists, male or female , when there are male chauvinists who won't let others "intrude" into the boys club, with God as invited honor guest".
?Long live the boys godly club". Women keep out, male prophets only admitted (provided they do not stand for women) O0 O0 O0 O0 O0. All males are ours and do not hve a right to disagree. rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl
Salaam
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SLM Huruf,
for me it doesn't change the fact. for me doenst matter if the messenger were man or woman or angel or jinn.... i check the message not the messenger , thats why i am here on free minds, to know what the message is
i do not give higher status to human ... we are all equal in being , but i do recognize the diff. capacity between people... some have more and some has less, some are strong and some are weak ect ect ....
but hey i am no in place to discuss this ( cause i am still learning the meaning of the Quran) , i gave only my opinion , so i will not discuss this further more .
btw i love women , i need women , women in my life makes me happy, i cant leave without women, i respect women, i give them special treatment. i even never HIT a women ( maybe spanking ) . and no i am not a pervert.... woman is the axis of the family, they are caring, they are (much ) more mature than man.... i can write whole about women .... but still we are not the same ...
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Yes kaltun you are dead right, by asking why it is so important? Actually it is not at all significant to know how many messengers lived in one nation, who were they, are they from one family or are they males only or females also... This is not important... Yes I do completely agree with you and not coz you said but coz God has not given any such criteria for us to achieve our final Goal of Janna. But... yes Big BUT.. BUT we cannot reject the verses of Quran.. Can you kaltun.. You don't want to unless you are not aware of it.. How a person can reject the verses of God? By not accepting even before reading it... After reading and understanding and rejecting with ego... By making it jest...by manipulating and twisting it... By not practicing it and negligence .. Etc etc.. God says "We have prepared for those who reject my verses Fire.." In which way the rejection took place is irrelevant but in the end during his her life span rejected and went astray doing so... Now let's stick to the point of Females prophets or rather Marryam being a prophet at least in Quran.. Coz let's hope people like Soitto, hurif, logic are believers in God and their hearts are true in belief.. God knows the reality... Matter here is CAN THEY EVEN REJECT A SINGLE VERSE OF GOD KNOWINGLY being a believer?... that's rejection of God's speech which is Quran...but if someone in this forum says I don't know Marryam was a prophet or not but I believe the whole quran whether I understand it or not coz I believe in God.. So if his intention is right there is no way he is in the party of rejectors.. Now the other Group (like me for example in this forum) who reject the claim who says Marryam was a prophet not coz we want to give to this subject so much significance but substantial proofs from throughout the Quran were not furnished by anyone by which we can deduce that females also were chosen by God to place His messages..coz for us quran is true undeniably, but certain claims we can't just knod just to satisfy and please the hearts.. We don't reject anything which is written crystal clear by God, we reject only the claims which doesn't convince.. Not coz it doesn't convince us but as per what is written in Quran..
That's why it is important kaltun....
I have brought many a verse in relation to this topic as well others but I don't see anything that could claim Marryam to be Prophet... When Marryam saw the Messenger (hopefully jibreel) with glad tidings in Male Figure she started seeking refuge in Arrahman.. That clearly shows and makes me to believe that Mariam has not seen in her adult period that messenger before.. If she was used to see the angel Messenger she would have recognized him.. Coz as a prophet messages should come regularly.. Or every time messenger comes in male form Marryam to seek refuge from Arrahman... Most appropriate thing if she was a Prophet then a female angel Messenger in human form so she won't have that inconvenience... But it looks like Marryam received only that message in her adult life..correct me... God knows best.. After this message with the time Jesus is born... So mother and Son have to be prophets... We don't see God calling both of them as prophets though their names are mentioned together many times..
With what you want us to believe and accept Marryam was a prophet dear claimers? So we surrender to God and accept God's verses .. Why do we want to reject Quran if it is written so... Please bring 5 verses in support of your claim directly or indirectly... If you love your fellow believers to be saved by God from being rejectors of His verses pls.. And let us point at Those 5 verses how it claims so... I didn't see rather than personal attacks, any crucial quran verse... Sister Huruf just see your very first response thread in this topic.... Just for the 50centi's question like "are there prophetess according to Quran ? "
You are on your own claiming that Marryam was prophet without bringing any quran verses and even started blaming males...
Not our knowledge of Quran will take us to jannah but what we did which is acceptable to God...
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Peace All.
Are we really comparing ranks? So why the emphasis on "only men prophets" ?
Sometimes our definition of "prophet" differ considerably.
By all means define what is a prophet? What makes "prophet" restrictive to "male" only? Then be precise why you disagree with a woman being a "prophet/ess"?As far as the conversation is going here, the misunderstanding to me is obviously a difference of attitude to "men v women" and a difference of definition?
For me as far as ranks go, GOD does that. But as far as Qoran tells us, Meriem was equal in rank to any prophet you can name in Qoran.
She was chosen by GOD, she was "Siddika" ,prophets were "Siddikan Nabia". She was devoted to GOD Alone like all the other prophets...etc Of course Meriem has not brought a scripture ,but a scripture was brought through her by being chosen for a specific role to bring up Issa to receive Injeel.
I hope you all see that we are splitting hair in here. Some of you say what they do not mean. You cannot pretend men and women are equal ,then state some universal roles are not for women!!!
From what I understand of Qoran, Meriem was ranked as one of the best devotee to GOD from all humans.
That makes Meriem one of "Muquarraboon" . The closer to GOD one can get as a human.I also understand those who say the message of the prophets is very important, that last message takes Meriem to the highest rank for her devotion to GOD Alone and the role she played to please her creator in this life.
GOD bless Meriem and all the believers.
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SLM Huruf,
for me it doesn't change the fact. for me doenst matter if the messenger were man or woman or angel or jinn.... i check the message not the messenger , thats why i am here on free minds, to know what the message is
i do not give higher status to human ... we are all equal in being , but i do recognize the diff. capacity between people... some have more and some has less, some are strong and some are weak ect ect ....
but hey i am no in place to discuss this ( cause i am still learning the meaning of the Quran) , i gave only my opinion , so i will not discuss this further more .
btw i love women , i need women , women in my life makes me happy, i cant leave without women, i respect women, i give them special treatment. i even never HIT a women ( maybe spanking ) . and no i am not a pervert.... woman is the axis of the family, they are caring, they are (much ) more mature than man.... i can write whole about women .... but still we are not the same ...
Really? We are not the same? Really? May be that is the rewason why in fact half humanity is called women and the other halfs is called men. How can it be that we have not seen up till you have told us that we are not the same...
Thank God you have warned us of that. What a wondrous discovery. We would not have suspected ever that we have differnet denominations but there is no reason for that.
Thank you, thnak you, thank you.
I wonder whether some of us have four legs and some have just three, that would really be a difference. May we not have noticed?
Salaam
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Really? We are not the same? Really? May be that is the rewason why in fact half humanity is called women and the other halfs is called men. How can it be that we have not seen up till you have told us that we are not the same...
Thank God you have warned us of that. What a wondrous discovery. We would not have suspected ever that we have differnet denominations but there is no reason for that.
Thank you, thnak you, thank you.
I wonder whether some of us have four legs and some have just three, that would really be a difference. May we not have noticed?
Salaam
slm ....
wow , just wow .... i dont know what i did or say to you that you reacting this childish to me ...
....you are not reading my post but your cherry picking on my words ...
i really regret that i reacted to this post... brickwall
wow .... wow
i am glad i dont know you in real life , .. .... did / do you know you act like the men that you dislike ???...answer to your last sentence
I wonder whether some of us have four legs and some have just three, that would really be a difference. May we not have noticed?https//www.google.nl/search?q=baby+with+3+legs&oq=baby+with+3+legs&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3943j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
pleace noticed ??so again my apoligize , i had no right to react to this thread , cause i dont know what Quran says , i dont know (quran) arabic neither, so i am left on you guys ( in Sha Allah , i will be guided).. i only tried to explain my thoughts , and i know you guys ( and girls) didnt ask my opinion...
@jkhan,
i do not reject / deny verses or anything from the Quran, i think the people who brings the message and are past away they dont needit to be praised ... cause they fullfilled their duty ... DOT ... Quran is now our MESSENGER , Quran tells us how to behave and how to live ( for the straight path).May Allah guide us ALL ...
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So you are shocked?
Of course you are not a woman therefore you do not have to hear again, and again, and again, whenever you put up some question over equity, being told that we are different and you want to be like men or something of the kind.
You are a man so you are lucky on that, but you do not like to be told that you have said what has been said to almost every woman for about millionth time and being a woman is not a synonym of being capable of putting up with nonsense, because simply it is too much, too much. Yes, like discovering gunpowder. We should stand in awe of the great leap forward for a poor ignorant woman to discover that male and female are different.Yes, I am very unpleasant (or some would say another nice word), because I puncture too many bubbles, ar at least what to me look like bubbles. After many years of seeing bubbles parades one gets like that.
Salaam
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Kaltun me and my friends feel you have great knowledge of argument and you have considerable knowledge in Quran, and you have politeness in your argument . So don't get slacken by what others say.. Messengers of the past were given a very hard job of spreading the message and arguing with those communities... This is nothing.. So keep up you good job.. People will benefit from characters like you... Many of those who argue here only say not more than their personal stories but you have brought Quranic verses.. Pls continue if you like anyone on this earth open his her eyes open hearing your comments... In the way of God we have to go through hard time.. So bear yourself... Answer to all in which you find others wrong... Sorry to date I thought you are a woman.. Now I knew reading your threads you are a man.. Sorry for my wrong guess...
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jealousy at its height... rotfl
i seek refuge in the kingdom of God "From the evil of the envious when they envy." ...
i wonder whoever is "claiming" they didnt find any verse yet ( about their claim ).
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Now here rather than female prophet, the claim is for Marryam as Prophet...
So I prefer to bring few comments.. In chapter 11 God states as verses like " .. And to Aad their BROTHER... or " Thzamud Their BROTHER.. to Midyan Their BROTHER.... Etc.. I don't see Their SISTER .. why?Okay let's Turn to Marryam itself... 1927-28... When Marryam brought Isa to HER People... They called her Not messenger or Prophet... But they called "" O' Maryam"" and further they called her as ""O' Sister of Harun"" (I don't blame the way they called her) but We don't see her own people even didn't call her as Messenger of Allah or O' Prophet of this Town... Or the Great Lady of this Town or something other than a person.. Or for that matter O Goddess of Women...coz some claim Mary to be a Deity.. Then at least we could have got a clue.. Even though God directly didn't tell but people would have atleast told... Coz we can drag many thing from the sayings of people in Quran... Can't find a clue for Marryam to be prophet.. Not in Quran directly from God of according to grammar or gender or indirect verses having to ponder or from people of the community of Marryam.. At least by Marryam herself didn't claim as her son claimed in 1930."He(isa) said .... ...... ...... and made me a Prophet ". No clue I found.. I also read the same Quran as you guys...
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Peace jkhan.
You have not answered my post about verse 2351.
Was Meriem also addressed in that verse or not?
GOD bless you.
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Kaltun me and my friends feel you have great knowledge of argument and you have considerable knowledge in Quran, and you have politeness in your argument . So don't get slacken by what others say.. Messengers of the past were given a very hard job of spreading the message and arguing with those communities... This is nothing.. So keep up you good job.. People will benefit from characters like you... Many of those who argue here only say not more than their personal stories but you have brought Quranic verses.. Pls continue if you like anyone on this earth open his her eyes open hearing your comments... In the way of God we have to go through hard time.. So bear yourself... Answer to all in which you find others wrong... Sorry to date I thought you are a woman.. Now I knew reading your threads you are a man.. Sorry for my wrong guess...
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SLM jkhan
this made my day , first time i get the feeling that i am appreciated ( my knowledge),
i followed you guys ( and girls) for a long time , as i said before i read a lot of this site ( still doing it ) , i am VERY open minded and i use my logic ( i know my logic is not always trustable) to make the picture. like approaching the Quran , if you do this with the thoughts there is not onesingle vers/surah agains humanity , or life , you would read this book different, more positive about life. so verses like 434 , hitting wife ( the idea is also absurd God/ Allah loving man who is beating their wife(s)) or 538 to CUT OFF the hand ??? why would God/Allah want this ??.. (but this is whole other discuss then this thread )
lol
Sorry to date I thought you are a woman
i cant read your mind ( some WOMEN can ) , but no hard feelings here
but again to coming back to this thread , why is this important to know what gender the prophet/messenger is/were ?, would the next question be like what color the messenger had ??, sorry to say but these kind of questions making our thoughts thinking in boxes, thinking in boxes is creating difference in people and this is dangerous ...
May Allah guide us to the straight path
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2351 "O messengers, eat from what is good, and do good work. I am aware of what you do."
O msn / fb messengers get login from what device is good. and send good messages without viruses. i am aware of what you do.
they are trying hard to somehow find a link hahaha
where is PROPHET & MARYUM in 23 51 ?i wonder if gaby is also messneger did he eat strawberry waffle ?
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Peace Imran.
My question to jkhan is not trying to find any link with prophets.
It is straight forward. Who is being addressed by O Messengers in 2351?
Of course you can also answer.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Imran.
My question to jkhan is not trying to find any link with prophets.
It is straight forward. Who is being addressed by O Messengers in 2351?
Of course you can also answer.
GOD bless you.
Peace.peace lovely Good LOGIC,
of coarse i will answer lol.before i answer just wana let you know JUST see the the subject of thread ? (female prophetess). what s the diff between messengeress or prophetess ?
in 23 51 where did you see maryum or prophet in it ?
point two grammerly RULE as per language experts the MESSENGERS here are (nominative MASCULINE plural noun) isnt it or you wana go against all corpus and grammer?
your point can worthy studing if there is any hint in a shape of dual noun.
ok Nail in the coffin = if your LOGIC is before 2351 there z mentioned about mary and jesus hense 2351 is also talking about them ( wishful thinking) becoz go through all verses after 2351 u ll get to know.
BTW chapter 19 NAMED as maryum rotfl i was thinking thats what in ur head spinning all the time.
God bless you
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