Are there Female prophetess
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SLM Huruf,
my apologizes , i didn't know this was so high on your agenda , to get "equal " rights , even on the path of Allah you want to be equal .. if you think this way , its your right .. but Allah knows ... thats enough
but honestly does it really matters ?? there were a lot of unknown messengers , is it important to know also the unknown messengers ?? cause your saying so you/we have to know them all ???
but i get here feminists feeling , like you wanna proof woman can do the same task as men..... again does it matter ... the idea behind the messengers are to spread the word of Allah , no matter if the messenger is, black-white - red - woman - man or angel or jinn .the message is the goal.
pls ask yourself, why is this so important to you, what do you want to proof ?? and to whom you want to prove it ?? cause you dont have to prove it for Allah , he knows ...and if the male people rejected this and its indeed like the way you telling us, so whos gonna judge the male ... indeed ALLAH , not you , not me , not anyone of thing .....
May Allah guide us to the right path ...
Plase, please,
why is it so important for you that no female may be a prophet.
Why you attach the epithet feminist and with it you attempt to put someone in her place and make her feel that there is just the wish "to be qual..." Really you must think very, very lowly of women to imagine that any woman wants to be equal to any man.May be that is the only reason you imagine for anybody to think to reach the heaven of being equal to man. And of course man is prophet, and woman is not prophet.
Your reasoning is mind baffling.
And of course it means that you think Maryam is of no consequence, that God was just loking sending her to merely parade around and be nice and vergin, or not virgin but nice and stay in her place. That is Maryam for you, fine enjoy, but do not use your own conceptions to continue serving us the legend of "wanting to be equal to men". That is insulting.
I may not be insulted by it, because I just despise too much that easy and cheap resort to handing out "feminist" and "wanting to be qual" which is boring, but the way you use it definitely you want to put on us who do not agree with your "male ?ber alles" moto in the bad spot.
You may want to be equal to men. Not me. And ye, I am a feminist and the reason for it are people you say or do or believe things like what you say. And why shouldn't be there feminists, male or female , when there are male chauvinists who won't let others "intrude" into the boys club, with God as invited honor guest".
?Long live the boys godly club". Women keep out, male prophets only admitted (provided they do not stand for women) O0 O0 O0 O0 O0. All males are ours and do not hve a right to disagree. rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl
Salaam
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SLM Huruf,
for me it doesn't change the fact. for me doenst matter if the messenger were man or woman or angel or jinn.... i check the message not the messenger , thats why i am here on free minds, to know what the message is
i do not give higher status to human ... we are all equal in being , but i do recognize the diff. capacity between people... some have more and some has less, some are strong and some are weak ect ect ....
but hey i am no in place to discuss this ( cause i am still learning the meaning of the Quran) , i gave only my opinion , so i will not discuss this further more .
btw i love women , i need women , women in my life makes me happy, i cant leave without women, i respect women, i give them special treatment. i even never HIT a women ( maybe spanking ) . and no i am not a pervert.... woman is the axis of the family, they are caring, they are (much ) more mature than man.... i can write whole about women .... but still we are not the same ...
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Yes kaltun you are dead right, by asking why it is so important? Actually it is not at all significant to know how many messengers lived in one nation, who were they, are they from one family or are they males only or females also... This is not important... Yes I do completely agree with you and not coz you said but coz God has not given any such criteria for us to achieve our final Goal of Janna. But... yes Big BUT.. BUT we cannot reject the verses of Quran.. Can you kaltun.. You don't want to unless you are not aware of it.. How a person can reject the verses of God? By not accepting even before reading it... After reading and understanding and rejecting with ego... By making it jest...by manipulating and twisting it... By not practicing it and negligence .. Etc etc.. God says "We have prepared for those who reject my verses Fire.." In which way the rejection took place is irrelevant but in the end during his her life span rejected and went astray doing so... Now let's stick to the point of Females prophets or rather Marryam being a prophet at least in Quran.. Coz let's hope people like Soitto, hurif, logic are believers in God and their hearts are true in belief.. God knows the reality... Matter here is CAN THEY EVEN REJECT A SINGLE VERSE OF GOD KNOWINGLY being a believer?... that's rejection of God's speech which is Quran...but if someone in this forum says I don't know Marryam was a prophet or not but I believe the whole quran whether I understand it or not coz I believe in God.. So if his intention is right there is no way he is in the party of rejectors.. Now the other Group (like me for example in this forum) who reject the claim who says Marryam was a prophet not coz we want to give to this subject so much significance but substantial proofs from throughout the Quran were not furnished by anyone by which we can deduce that females also were chosen by God to place His messages..coz for us quran is true undeniably, but certain claims we can't just knod just to satisfy and please the hearts.. We don't reject anything which is written crystal clear by God, we reject only the claims which doesn't convince.. Not coz it doesn't convince us but as per what is written in Quran..
That's why it is important kaltun....
I have brought many a verse in relation to this topic as well others but I don't see anything that could claim Marryam to be Prophet... When Marryam saw the Messenger (hopefully jibreel) with glad tidings in Male Figure she started seeking refuge in Arrahman.. That clearly shows and makes me to believe that Mariam has not seen in her adult period that messenger before.. If she was used to see the angel Messenger she would have recognized him.. Coz as a prophet messages should come regularly.. Or every time messenger comes in male form Marryam to seek refuge from Arrahman... Most appropriate thing if she was a Prophet then a female angel Messenger in human form so she won't have that inconvenience... But it looks like Marryam received only that message in her adult life..correct me... God knows best.. After this message with the time Jesus is born... So mother and Son have to be prophets... We don't see God calling both of them as prophets though their names are mentioned together many times..
With what you want us to believe and accept Marryam was a prophet dear claimers? So we surrender to God and accept God's verses .. Why do we want to reject Quran if it is written so... Please bring 5 verses in support of your claim directly or indirectly... If you love your fellow believers to be saved by God from being rejectors of His verses pls.. And let us point at Those 5 verses how it claims so... I didn't see rather than personal attacks, any crucial quran verse... Sister Huruf just see your very first response thread in this topic.... Just for the 50centi's question like "are there prophetess according to Quran ? "
You are on your own claiming that Marryam was prophet without bringing any quran verses and even started blaming males...
Not our knowledge of Quran will take us to jannah but what we did which is acceptable to God...
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Peace All.
Are we really comparing ranks? So why the emphasis on "only men prophets" ?
Sometimes our definition of "prophet" differ considerably.
By all means define what is a prophet? What makes "prophet" restrictive to "male" only? Then be precise why you disagree with a woman being a "prophet/ess"?As far as the conversation is going here, the misunderstanding to me is obviously a difference of attitude to "men v women" and a difference of definition?
For me as far as ranks go, GOD does that. But as far as Qoran tells us, Meriem was equal in rank to any prophet you can name in Qoran.
She was chosen by GOD, she was "Siddika" ,prophets were "Siddikan Nabia". She was devoted to GOD Alone like all the other prophets...etc Of course Meriem has not brought a scripture ,but a scripture was brought through her by being chosen for a specific role to bring up Issa to receive Injeel.
I hope you all see that we are splitting hair in here. Some of you say what they do not mean. You cannot pretend men and women are equal ,then state some universal roles are not for women!!!
From what I understand of Qoran, Meriem was ranked as one of the best devotee to GOD from all humans.
That makes Meriem one of "Muquarraboon" . The closer to GOD one can get as a human.I also understand those who say the message of the prophets is very important, that last message takes Meriem to the highest rank for her devotion to GOD Alone and the role she played to please her creator in this life.
GOD bless Meriem and all the believers.
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SLM Huruf,
for me it doesn't change the fact. for me doenst matter if the messenger were man or woman or angel or jinn.... i check the message not the messenger , thats why i am here on free minds, to know what the message is
i do not give higher status to human ... we are all equal in being , but i do recognize the diff. capacity between people... some have more and some has less, some are strong and some are weak ect ect ....
but hey i am no in place to discuss this ( cause i am still learning the meaning of the Quran) , i gave only my opinion , so i will not discuss this further more .
btw i love women , i need women , women in my life makes me happy, i cant leave without women, i respect women, i give them special treatment. i even never HIT a women ( maybe spanking ) . and no i am not a pervert.... woman is the axis of the family, they are caring, they are (much ) more mature than man.... i can write whole about women .... but still we are not the same ...
Really? We are not the same? Really? May be that is the rewason why in fact half humanity is called women and the other halfs is called men. How can it be that we have not seen up till you have told us that we are not the same...
Thank God you have warned us of that. What a wondrous discovery. We would not have suspected ever that we have differnet denominations but there is no reason for that.
Thank you, thnak you, thank you.
I wonder whether some of us have four legs and some have just three, that would really be a difference. May we not have noticed?
Salaam
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Really? We are not the same? Really? May be that is the rewason why in fact half humanity is called women and the other halfs is called men. How can it be that we have not seen up till you have told us that we are not the same...
Thank God you have warned us of that. What a wondrous discovery. We would not have suspected ever that we have differnet denominations but there is no reason for that.
Thank you, thnak you, thank you.
I wonder whether some of us have four legs and some have just three, that would really be a difference. May we not have noticed?
Salaam
slm ....
wow , just wow .... i dont know what i did or say to you that you reacting this childish to me ...
....you are not reading my post but your cherry picking on my words ...
i really regret that i reacted to this post... brickwall
wow .... wow
i am glad i dont know you in real life , .. .... did / do you know you act like the men that you dislike ???...answer to your last sentence
I wonder whether some of us have four legs and some have just three, that would really be a difference. May we not have noticed?https//www.google.nl/search?q=baby+with+3+legs&oq=baby+with+3+legs&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3943j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
pleace noticed ??so again my apoligize , i had no right to react to this thread , cause i dont know what Quran says , i dont know (quran) arabic neither, so i am left on you guys ( in Sha Allah , i will be guided).. i only tried to explain my thoughts , and i know you guys ( and girls) didnt ask my opinion...
@jkhan,
i do not reject / deny verses or anything from the Quran, i think the people who brings the message and are past away they dont needit to be praised ... cause they fullfilled their duty ... DOT ... Quran is now our MESSENGER , Quran tells us how to behave and how to live ( for the straight path).May Allah guide us ALL ...
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So you are shocked?
Of course you are not a woman therefore you do not have to hear again, and again, and again, whenever you put up some question over equity, being told that we are different and you want to be like men or something of the kind.
You are a man so you are lucky on that, but you do not like to be told that you have said what has been said to almost every woman for about millionth time and being a woman is not a synonym of being capable of putting up with nonsense, because simply it is too much, too much. Yes, like discovering gunpowder. We should stand in awe of the great leap forward for a poor ignorant woman to discover that male and female are different.Yes, I am very unpleasant (or some would say another nice word), because I puncture too many bubbles, ar at least what to me look like bubbles. After many years of seeing bubbles parades one gets like that.
Salaam
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Kaltun me and my friends feel you have great knowledge of argument and you have considerable knowledge in Quran, and you have politeness in your argument . So don't get slacken by what others say.. Messengers of the past were given a very hard job of spreading the message and arguing with those communities... This is nothing.. So keep up you good job.. People will benefit from characters like you... Many of those who argue here only say not more than their personal stories but you have brought Quranic verses.. Pls continue if you like anyone on this earth open his her eyes open hearing your comments... In the way of God we have to go through hard time.. So bear yourself... Answer to all in which you find others wrong... Sorry to date I thought you are a woman.. Now I knew reading your threads you are a man.. Sorry for my wrong guess...
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jealousy at its height... rotfl
i seek refuge in the kingdom of God "From the evil of the envious when they envy." ...
i wonder whoever is "claiming" they didnt find any verse yet ( about their claim ).
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Now here rather than female prophet, the claim is for Marryam as Prophet...
So I prefer to bring few comments.. In chapter 11 God states as verses like " .. And to Aad their BROTHER... or " Thzamud Their BROTHER.. to Midyan Their BROTHER.... Etc.. I don't see Their SISTER .. why?Okay let's Turn to Marryam itself... 1927-28... When Marryam brought Isa to HER People... They called her Not messenger or Prophet... But they called "" O' Maryam"" and further they called her as ""O' Sister of Harun"" (I don't blame the way they called her) but We don't see her own people even didn't call her as Messenger of Allah or O' Prophet of this Town... Or the Great Lady of this Town or something other than a person.. Or for that matter O Goddess of Women...coz some claim Mary to be a Deity.. Then at least we could have got a clue.. Even though God directly didn't tell but people would have atleast told... Coz we can drag many thing from the sayings of people in Quran... Can't find a clue for Marryam to be prophet.. Not in Quran directly from God of according to grammar or gender or indirect verses having to ponder or from people of the community of Marryam.. At least by Marryam herself didn't claim as her son claimed in 1930."He(isa) said .... ...... ...... and made me a Prophet ". No clue I found.. I also read the same Quran as you guys...
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Peace jkhan.
You have not answered my post about verse 2351.
Was Meriem also addressed in that verse or not?
GOD bless you.
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Kaltun me and my friends feel you have great knowledge of argument and you have considerable knowledge in Quran, and you have politeness in your argument . So don't get slacken by what others say.. Messengers of the past were given a very hard job of spreading the message and arguing with those communities... This is nothing.. So keep up you good job.. People will benefit from characters like you... Many of those who argue here only say not more than their personal stories but you have brought Quranic verses.. Pls continue if you like anyone on this earth open his her eyes open hearing your comments... In the way of God we have to go through hard time.. So bear yourself... Answer to all in which you find others wrong... Sorry to date I thought you are a woman.. Now I knew reading your threads you are a man.. Sorry for my wrong guess...
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SLM jkhan
this made my day , first time i get the feeling that i am appreciated ( my knowledge),
i followed you guys ( and girls) for a long time , as i said before i read a lot of this site ( still doing it ) , i am VERY open minded and i use my logic ( i know my logic is not always trustable) to make the picture. like approaching the Quran , if you do this with the thoughts there is not onesingle vers/surah agains humanity , or life , you would read this book different, more positive about life. so verses like 434 , hitting wife ( the idea is also absurd God/ Allah loving man who is beating their wife(s)) or 538 to CUT OFF the hand ??? why would God/Allah want this ??.. (but this is whole other discuss then this thread )
lol
Sorry to date I thought you are a woman
i cant read your mind ( some WOMEN can ) , but no hard feelings here
but again to coming back to this thread , why is this important to know what gender the prophet/messenger is/were ?, would the next question be like what color the messenger had ??, sorry to say but these kind of questions making our thoughts thinking in boxes, thinking in boxes is creating difference in people and this is dangerous ...
May Allah guide us to the straight path
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2351 "O messengers, eat from what is good, and do good work. I am aware of what you do."
O msn / fb messengers get login from what device is good. and send good messages without viruses. i am aware of what you do.
they are trying hard to somehow find a link hahaha
where is PROPHET & MARYUM in 23 51 ?i wonder if gaby is also messneger did he eat strawberry waffle ?
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Peace Imran.
My question to jkhan is not trying to find any link with prophets.
It is straight forward. Who is being addressed by O Messengers in 2351?
Of course you can also answer.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Imran.
My question to jkhan is not trying to find any link with prophets.
It is straight forward. Who is being addressed by O Messengers in 2351?
Of course you can also answer.
GOD bless you.
Peace.peace lovely Good LOGIC,
of coarse i will answer lol.before i answer just wana let you know JUST see the the subject of thread ? (female prophetess). what s the diff between messengeress or prophetess ?
in 23 51 where did you see maryum or prophet in it ?
point two grammerly RULE as per language experts the MESSENGERS here are (nominative MASCULINE plural noun) isnt it or you wana go against all corpus and grammer?
your point can worthy studing if there is any hint in a shape of dual noun.
ok Nail in the coffin = if your LOGIC is before 2351 there z mentioned about mary and jesus hense 2351 is also talking about them ( wishful thinking) becoz go through all verses after 2351 u ll get to know.
BTW chapter 19 NAMED as maryum rotfl i was thinking thats what in ur head spinning all the time.
God bless you
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.. dulpicate post admins plz remove it.
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Good logic brother?
2351 does not give any proof as I mentioned in another topic thread..
Flow of the verse doesn?t support at all.. If we consider that it refers to Maryam and Isa only since they are mentioned in the previous verse 2350 then there is problem in grammer.. Messengers in 2351 is not dual but plural.. and rest of the wording doesn?t support females..
Most of all this very chapter 23 is talking about Messengers starting with Noah (if my memory correct) till the verse Son of Mary comes?With the flow of the verses till 2350 we can see all those messengers mentioned are males.. if you carefully research the usage of words? So those are the messengers God talks of in the verse 2351? Though Isa is not mentioned in the verse 2350 as messenger, we know that son of Mary is a messenger?There is no evidence that we can include Mary in to those messengers list.. or from any other quranic verse.. normally what is your approach Logic.. to deduce something you need substantial proof from Quran.. right.. In this case only why without any substantial proofs you cling to Mary as prophet..Why don?t you answer to all those proofs I or others presented against your claim.. Answer them also, if you reiterate only about your claim of this verse..
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The relationship between man and Allah is obviously not a biological one such as biological father and his biological son but to mean ?everything? as mentioned with the phrase ?Al Rahman Al Raheem? ( ِ in the very beginning and so many other places in the Quran to make us understand that He is the only actual mother and father of everything. This is because everything emerges from Him and merges back in Him on return as He is the only Source of life, Creator, Producer and Owner of everything. Quranic words ?? (Ibn) and ?? (abna?) do not refer to ?son? or ?sons? but correctly means ?build?, ?made? and ?constituted?. Whereas, according to the linguistic rules the only word ?? (Bin) is used in the middle of two names to mean ?son?. Hence, the pashion of taking the word ?? (Ibn), coming between two names, to mean ?son? has been invented and introduced by early Islam Persian Imams who have deliberately destroyed the correct understanding of the Quran by their false translation and fake literature.
Therefore, according to the linguistic rules the word ?? (ibn) coming between ?? and ?? in the Quranic phrase ? ? does not actually stand for ?Isa son of Mary? but correctly means ?Isa constitution of Miriam? or ?Miriam?s constitution Isa?. The Quran further clarifies the same thing by its phrases such as ?Isa Ruhu Allah? and ?Kalimatullah? to make us understand that Isa is actually Allah?s revelation, Allah?s words, Allah?s sprit constituted, made or build of Miriam. The phrase ? ? of the verse 518 also refers to ?Allah?s made?, ?Allah?s build? or ?Allah?s constituted?
There are so many technical things without fully clarification and comprehension of which this subject is difficult to understand for those who learn the Quran by its fake translation or with the false exegesis of their scholars.
This is the reason why I write extensive articles with substantial details of Quranic words so that people can erase from their memory the false meaning of Arabic words of the Quran, which they have memorized from the fake literature of Islam and false dictionaries of the Quran.
Hence, as I have said in my earlier reply that it is not possible to make things clear in one go but we need a series of in depth research articles with substantial information, evidence and references so that people can digest them and understand the truth mentioned in the verses of the Quran.
Also, the translation of the whole Quran is not only wrong but complete false and totally misleading. Therefore, any question with the reference of the false translation will not be understood until we have complete word to word analysis and correct translation of relevant verses of the Quran, which require one full length independent research article for each and every verse of the Quran.
However, in the meantime please conduct some research on the words ?? (ibn) and ?? (bin) as to where they are properly used in Arabic language, and in which shape they correctly come with someone?s name to take them to mean ?son? or ?daughter?. You also need to know if ?? (ibn) means ?son? then what is the meaning of popular phrase ? ? (ibn al waqt)? Is it ?son of time??
Moreover, I always reiterate to correctly understand the Quran please read my each and every article and pay attention to the analysis and correct meaning of Quranic words and grammar mentioned in these articles so that you will be able to understand and correctly translate the Quran without taking any help from anyone.
Had you read my article ?CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF QURANIC VERSES 1177, 1178 & 1179 REGARDING THE NATION OF LUT? you would have understood the correct meaning of the word ?? (banati) which is falsely translated to mean ?daughters? of Prophet Lut. Whereas, the correct meaning of this Quranic word ?? (banati) is ?my constituted?. How can a sensible person hand over his daughters to the corrupt evils to have sex with them without their wishes of going with them?
The ignorant scholars and their blind followers who use ? ? (Tasreef-e-Ayat) to balance their lies invented in their translation they use ?? (banati) to mean Prophet Lut?s daughters, they don?t ponder upon their evil act of altering the statements of the Quran with their blind aim of taking the same meaning of Quranic words in each and every verse no matter if they clashed with the context. Hence, without taking into account any linguistic rule, the ?Tasrifi evils? translate Quranic words ??, ??, ?? and their derivatives to mean ?son? and ?daughter? throughout the Quran and fill the translation of the Quran with the pagan myths, false stories of stone-age and ancient polytheist beliefs and pagan rituals.
Actually, the founders of the religions have purposely muddled up the names of the revelations with the names of the prophets. The Quran rarely uses the names of the prophets but it normally and mostly uses the names of God?s revelations and most of them are adjectives of His revelations.
For example, the Quran mainly uses the word Isa (ٰ for God?s revelation conceived by Miriam (/م but in the translation of the Quran Prophet Moses and Aaron?s sister Miriam (/م was replaced with Virgin Mary of Christians and she was falsely made the mother of Jesus. If you carefully read the translation of Quranic verses 338 to 342 you will find for yourself how our liar scholars transferred the pregnancy of Zechariah?s wife to Miriam (/م and eventually in the translation of the further verse 345 they invented Virgin Mary and her son Jesus. In the mainstream translation of the verse 338 Zechariah is shown praying to have his offspring. In the translation of the next verse 339 the angels give him a good news of having a son. In the translation of the next verse 340 Zechariah is shown unconvinced or not believing in this and argues with His Lord as to how will he be having a son in his old age when his wife is also a barren woman, who cannot conceive a pregnancy. In the translation of the next verse 341 unconvinced Zechariah demands from his Lord to show him a sign as if he is really having a son and in the translation of the next verse 342 the angels give a news to Miriam (/م that she was chosen, and in the translation of the verse 345 the angels give the good news to Miriam (/م of having a son whose name will be Isa al Maseih ( ى.
Wonderful!?.. Zechariah wanted offspring, he was given a news of having a son, whose wife was not able to become pregnant being a barren woman, Zechariah himself was not able to become a father being an old man and as s token of sign Miriam (/م became pregnant and she had a son!
Curse on those evil liars who invented the above mentioned false story from the clear words of the Quran in which Miriam (/م conceives, retrieves, constructs or makes God?s revelation Isa al Maseih ( ى, which was the good news given by angels. If a blind layman looks at the words ? ? of the verse 345 he will correctly translate these words to mean ?God gives you glad tidings with Word from Him its name will be Isa al Maseih? but in the fake translation the evils invented ?Jesus Christ? and made him a prophet and son of virgin Mary!
What is the meaning of the phrase ?? (bi kalimati hi)? Don?t the evil translators of the Quran know the correct meaning of Arabic word ?? (KLM) and its derivatives such as ?? (Kalam) and ?? (Kalimah)? They are those who read ? ? (kalimah ash shadah) when they convert someone into Islam they also read the same Kalimah when they take funeral to the graveyard, and they call ? ? (Kalam Majeed) to the Quran or to ?God?s Communication?, to ?God?s words? and to ?God?s Revelation?. They also know the Kalam (م of so an so poet or so and so author but they forgot to correctly translate the same word Kalimah in the phrase ?? of the above verse 345. The forthcoming verse 349 ? ? confirms that it is a message sent towards Bani Israil. The word ?? (Rasoolan) is a product of ?? to mean messaging, sending consignment, delivery and courier.
If Isa or Jesus was a Prophet then according to the following verse of the Quran all people of the book including Muslims must take him as their prophet instead of Muhammad and Muslims should also be called the followers of Jesus. However, if you correctly take the words ? ? of the verse 4152 to correctly mean ?and those who adhere with/comply with/take oath with Allah and His sent message they don?t make difference/cut off/take away any of them? in which ?? (rusulihi) is not prophet or their plural (prophets) but the product of ?? (RSL) + ?? (hi) a third person singular objective pronoun of Allah to mean ?His?. Hence, ?? (rusulihi) correctly means ?His sent message?. There is nothing plural in the phrase ?? (rusulihi) but the liar translators falsely took it as a plural word and invented prophets from the singular phrase ?? (rusulihi).
In the next verse 4153 ? ? question about revealing or bringing down a book itself telling us that it is not the context of the prophets but the context of revelation or bringing down a book, which is also being clarified with the phrase ?? (rusulihi) of the earlier verse 4152 that does not say ?His prophets? but ?a compilation? or ?a product of His sent message?. The next verse 4154 is talking about their covenant (ْ which is again a compliance of the statement of the above verse 4152 about taking oath, obeying or complying with God and His sent message ( ِ. The next verse 4155 again talks about the compliance of their oath (ْ and declared them ungrateful rejecters who reject Allah?s verses ( ِ. The further words ? ? of the same verse 4155 refer to the forthcoming incident mentioned in the next verse 4156 in which Prophetess Miriam (/م was accused of having a child without a legal father. Hence, the words ? ? of the verse 4156 correctly means ?and with their rejection and their taunting on Miriam a severe accusation? (word to word correct translation of Quranic verse 4156) make it clear that the statement ? ? of the previous verse 4155 counts Miriam (/م among Prophets and their dilution, attenuation, making them low or degrading of the prophets ( َ and taunting or criticising them (ْ is not right ( ّ. So, the words ? ? of the verse 4155 correctly means ?and their degrading of the prophets and their criticism not right? directly refer to their insulting or degrading remark or talk on the severe accusation on Miriam. This verse 4155 of the Quran not only tells us the true history that Miriam (/م did not have a child without father but she was accused and Isa (ٰ which was actually God?s sent message (proven from the above explained context) was rejected by them and they falsely turned it into Miriam?s child Isa (ٰ born without having his father. Therefore, in the above context the Quran itself reveals and explains how sent message of God or God?s revelation Isa (ٰ or Isa al Maseih ( ى was falsely made son of Virgin Mary and how this false belief was established and made viral.
The verse 4177 urges all people of the book including Muslims as they are also counted among the people of the book ? ? do not yield in your religion and do not press lie on God ? ? except the right which is that ? ? The Masheih (observation/thought/retrieval/discovery) Isa constructed by Miriam is sent message of God ?? and His word ? ? revealed/ diction/ thrown/delivered it to Miriam ? ? and spirit of its is to be complied with/to be obeyed/to be adhered with God and His sent message ? ? and don?t say/invent three gods.
I would like to draw your attention towards the feminine singular pronoun ?? (ha) in the phrase ?? (alqa ha), i.e. (ha) + (alqa) = (alqa ha) in which ?? (alqa) is a popular word used to mean idea, thought, imagination or anything that comes to someone?s mind or feeling coming in someone?s heart. You might have heard this word ?? (alqa) is usually used by poets when poetry arrives on them or when poetic thoughts come in their mind, which is also called ?? (aamad), i.e. ?arrival? or ?coming? in Urdu and Persian literature. Whereas, the feminine singular pronoun ?? (ha) in the phrase ?? (alqa ha) cannot be a pronoun of such a high profiled masculine prophet Isa or Jesus who was supposed to be a man! Hence, the formation of the words of the above verse 4171 itself discard the lie invented by the liar translators of the Quran, who falsely brought in the translation a man Isa or Jesus by using the feminine pronoun ?? (ha) which has been correctly used as a pronoun of revelation which is feminine. This is the reason why Satan Quranists falsely claim that the Quran was not written according to the grammar and no grammar was used in the Quran so that they can invent in the translation of the Quran whatever they want to spread in the name of the Quran. They should learn Arabic before holding their Quran teaching sessions and stop misguiding innocent people in the name of ?Quran Only? teaching.
Anyway, the word to word correct translation of the above verse 4171 does not consider that Isa al Maseih or Jesus Christ was a man or human being but God?s revelation constructed or retrieved by Merriam which was reconfirmed by Quranic phrase ? ? to correctly mean arrived, revealed, delivered it to Merriam or its revelation or arrival towards Merriam. Hence, those who are keen to know how revelations used to come to the prophets they should understand the correct statement of the above verse of the Quran in which prophets used to construct or retrieve the words of God. However, in some cases the names of Prophets and their revelation are same just as Newton and Newton?s theory in which the unit of force is also called Newton or someone?s invention or theory is given the name of its retriever or discoverer.
Moreover, the clause ? ? and don?t say/invent three gods of the same verse 4171 depicts that the purpose of inventing Isa al Maseih or Jesus Christ was to worship a man making him god along with his mother who was also declared as a god along with the God. Whereas, the word ?? is coming from Hebrew title of God ?YHWH? or ?Ya Huwa? which is also called ?JEHOVAH? in Christianity in which ?Ya? or ?Je? is not a part of God?s title ?Hu?, ?Huwa? or ?Huva?.
Hence, this is another false assumption of the Quranists that the issue of father of Isa or Jesus was not there when the Quran was revealed otherwise the Quran would have clearly said that Isa or Jesus had a father. In fact according to the above verses the issue of Virgin Mary and birth of Isa or Jesus without having father was already there when the Quran was revealed. This is the reason why Quran has made it clear and dealt with this falsification very well in which the Quran states that Isa was a revelation of God constructed by Merriam but the inventors of the theory of 3 gods made Merriam?s revelation Isa or Jesus a man and then turned it into a third god together with its founder Merriam who was falsely made a virgin mother of Isa or Jesus.
Therefore, any argument whether Isa or Jesus had father or born without having father is complete rubbish and non-Quranic. So, those who take up this issue in the favour of their false idea that Isa or Jesus was having father and also those who falsely argue that Isa or Jesus was born without having father they must learn the Quran with open eyes and stop spreading non-Quranic false beliefs. They should follow the words of the Quran instead of following the fake translations of their scholars. Also, the clause ? ? of the same verse 4171 correctly means ?and spirit of its is to be complied with/to be obeyed/to be adhered with God and His sent message? urges us to obey God and His sent Message, in which ?? (Rusuli hi) is not any human being or prophet but ?sent message of God? which was on purpose replaced with man (prophet) to obey man instead of God?s message.
The words ? ? of Quranic verse 1934 are also in front of us in which ? ?, i.e. Isa construction of Merriam is called ? ?, i.e. the true statement. How a man can be a statement???
Hence, the verse 1934 ? ? correctly means ?that Isa construction of Merriam is a true statement in which they dispute?.
The reason of this never ending dispute is that we don?t follow the words of the Quran against our false beliefs.
To prove that Isa was a man the traditionalists invented that Isa was taken up in the heaven without giving him a death and he will be buried right next to Prophet Muhammad in Madina where the place of his grave is already reserved. They follow Ibni Kathir who states that Isa?s demise will take place in Madina, where his Janazah (Burial) Salaat will be performed. He will then be buried beside the holy prophet Muhammad. They also take Imam Tirmizi?s narration in which Trimizi narrates from Abdullah Ibn Salaam, that he said the character of the prophet Muhammad and the fact pertaining to Isa?s burial beside him, was written in the Torah.
Ahmadis, i.e. the followers of Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani have invented Isa?s grave in the locality of Khanyar of the town Srinagar of Indian occupied Kashmir and following the Ahmadis the Quranists (Ahle Quran/Quran Only) also identified Isa?s grave, which is ridiculous. To prove their falsification with their usual style of saying ?this and that? and ?it means this and it means that? they say Isa was not taken up but surely died because Isa used to eat and drink that?s why tasting death was necessary for him.
Where are the clear words of the Quran in which Quran confirms Isa?s death and his burial???
Hence, ?this and that? will not be acceptable anymore and there is no meaning of ?it means this and it means that? we need clear wording from the Quran without any dishonest word engineering as according to the traditional date of revelation of the Quran it was revealed quite after the time of traditional prophet Isa or Jesus. Therefore, the Quran should contain the clear information about the death of Isa or Jesus if he was a human being.
Therefore, it is true that Quran does not mention Mary nor does the Quran talk about her so called virginity. However, our stupid scholars and their nonsense followers have been fighting with each other on the question of Isa?s father!
Traditionalists believe that Isa was born without his father whereas the ?Quran Only?, Quranists or Ahle Quran put their lies together to prove that Isa had a father.
Likewise, Quranic words ?? (Messih) and ?? (Messiah) are adjectives as well as the names of God?s books but they were replaced with persons (human beings) and named them prophets out of which they brought one human in the shape of Jesus or Isa al Maseih and opened the door for another humen ?? (Messih) to come. This is the reason why Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani took a chance and declared himself the ?? (Messih), who was supposed to come in the world again, near the end of the world! Interestingly, this fake ?? (Messih) has ended but the world did not end so who will come next, before ending the world is another interesting question!
Whereas, according to the Quran ?? (Messih) is the title of God?s revelation as we have seen in the analysis of the above verses of the Quran and in my articles on Ablution (ء. Hence, if the same ?? (Messih) will have to come again it will not be any man but God?s next revelation. However, to keep running their perversion and falsification our Satan clergy have closed the door of God?s revelations. This is because they want us to follow the same filth which they follow and gave us the same filth of their filthy pagan beliefs. I have already challenged the whole world to show me any single verse of the Quran in which Allah has ever said that His revelation has been stopped or no more revelation will come to the world again but so far no one turned up with any clear reference of the Quran regarding this issue. Some Quranist friends tried to convince me by saying ?it means this and it means that? but they did not have any clear proof from the Quran except repeating the same crap views of their founder Quranist scholars that man has grown up and he does not need anymore guidance in the shape of any new revelation etc.
In fact revelation has been called ?Rasool? (ل in the Quran which is a Divine certification of a true Prophet of God. So, whoever has claimed to be a Prophet without having his own ?Rasool? (ل, i.e. without his retrieved or constructed message of Nature he is a false liar. This is because ?Rasool? (ل and Prophet are integral parts of each other. No prophet can be without his ?Rasool? (ل and no ?Rasool? (ل is revealed without its Retriever or constructing Prophet, and obeying ?Rasool? (ل, i.e. ?His message? is obeying God but we are not urged to follow any human being in any shape, no matter who is he. To hide this Quranic order the evils have replaced ?Rasool? (ل with Prophet and removed the hurdle of worship of men, which is a severe form of idolatry and paganism.
Therefore, the Quran was translated by such perverted evils who have concealed its actual message and gave us the fake beliefs and filth of polytheist paganism, which we have been carrying in the name of Islam.
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