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What is the Thesis Statement of Qur'an

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    Quran was revealed to spend our life in its light. Our Prophet did not write any book to explain The Quran because The Quran explains itself. God has taken the responsibility to explain it t o sincere seeking hearts.

    Our Prophet applied The Quran in his daily life and proved that it is the guidance to go through this life. That is the purpose of this book. People can beat their drums for everything other than accepting and applying it in their lives to give zaka to their surroundings and as a result to their selves.

    In my humble opinion let the book play its role in our lives the way it is supposed to play.

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      Peace Mazhar.
      The publisher has nothing to with the content. The publisher puts the content on paper. And there begins and ends the role of the publisher.
      You might as well give a role to the subsequent publishers of different generations or even to readers!!!!

      Brother , I do not know what your thread subject is anymore. So far everyone that replied to you have not got it according to you?
      Anyway over to you.
      GOD bless you.
      Peace.

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        Mazhar
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        Peace Mazhar.
        The publisher has nothing to with the content. The publisher puts the content on paper. And there begins and ends the role of the publisher.
        You might as well give a role to the subsequent publishers of different generations or even to readers!!!!

        Brother , I do not know what your thread subject is anymore. So far everyone that replied to you have not got it according to you?
        Anyway over to you.
        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

        What the Publisher has to do with the content is called Licence. That is a separate subject.

        A book is the intellectual property of its Author. In academic circles, Reliability and Accuracy is the first and the foremost consideration and concern for a critical reader. Accuracy refers to whether the book provides verifiable and reliable factual information. For veracity, authenticity, reliability it is not the Person of the Author that is important but it is the content that firstly matters.

        The second important aspect for evaluation of validity and reliability of a book are questions about the publisher-issuer-relater-person relaying the Book verbally and in writing. Authors of great books never choose publisher randomly. Relevant questions that need to be addressed about the Person of would be Publisher are firstly, whether he is well known; secondly, does he have political affiliations, leanings, or any specific agenda; thirdly, were he to gain financially from convincing the audience about the ideas and veracity of the Book. These are considered biases that undermine the value and reliability of presented work.

        Another related issue is about the license that the publisher has about the intellectual property. Intellectual property is overall term defining creations of the mind, like a book. A publisher may or may not be given the right of copyright and editing the original manuscript of the Book?Intellectual property. It is the form of expression of ideas, choice and arrangement of words. Its violation is called infringement.

        As regards the Thesis Statement, no one has given his opinion, even though we have on the Forum who have published their translation.

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          imrankhawaja
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          owner & publisher

          OWNER of any text could be one logically,
          PUBLISHERs of that text could b many and from there we can investigate more about.

          hafs & warsh

          but before hafs and warsh it was already going on publishers the very first publishers were quite RICH and FAMOUS people who hire scribes to write a COPY for them.

          example if i born on that time its was difficult or imposssible for me to access QURAN even if it existed at that time same at this time its impossible for me to rent white house lmao.

          coming back to most important question about PUBLISHERs
          is it possible publishers before giving license to hafs and warsh was working on it how to finalise the publishing what need to go through a random person.

          and in the end we have a message but we got roughly 50 authorised/accepted interpretations at this very moment.

          we have to digest it same like other religions publishers our publishers also did things what everyhuman being from starting of human history is doing it.(CORRUPTION).

          sometimes i understand things by universal LAWS of lovely creator who is symbole of LOVE.

          example after 1950 the slavery LAW abolished by international controllers on voting system majaority of human beings see slavery as BAD thing. intrestingly so called islamic state saudia arabia was practising slavery in shape of labour and sex in their society..

          what i get from it slavery was once in arab tradition
          original publisher abolished it?
          later publishers publish it and make slavery important

          but the law of original GOD applied after 1950 again

          now its time to say THE law is unchangeable i will not see any legal SLAVE aftewards.

          that how GOD or author claimed things ( we preserved in a TABLET) the original LAW is already IN GOD harddisk?
          whenever he want to give a command of his original law HE send controllers who voted in favour of his law. same like what happened with slavery. although the word slave(londi) take a uturn of ( nikka misyar) and (nikka mutta) for sunni and shia respectively.

          scriptures are not evil ( HUMAN ) thoughts are mixture of good and bad and human cant help it .

          the same controllers are controlling animals kingdoms, sometimes aids, sometimes child protection, sometimes child abuse , child marriage etc etc.

          these controllers are most beautiful faces of this planet earth.

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            imrankhawaja;

            Salam,

            The thread is about Thesis Statement of Qur'aan. Someone raised point about Publisher. The First Publisher of Qur'aan is the Messenger who received it.

            Languages have dialects, Arabic is no exception. Thereby, the question is what is the dialect of Arabic of Qur'aan.

            Language of Qur?n Prime Language Arabic; and its dialect.

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              imrankhawaja
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              Salam,

              The thread is about Thesis Statement of Qur'aan. Someone raised point about Publisher. The First Publisher of Qur'aan is the Messenger who received it.

              wsalam,
              brother mazhar.

              i agree, a logical mind can only think about the first publisher as NABI muhammand.

              but our traditional history never let us think that way.
              according to them first publisher was 3rd caliph USMAN.
              even majority still think NABI was illiterate and dnt know how to write.
              its same like a NEWS giver in modern tv channel said i dnt know how to give news ?
              so u can see how much corruption can b sensed through this hmm

              after that i dun know what happen there are NEWS about the assination of that calip and the assisination never stopped untill the death of nabis grandson.

              after that it was era of 150 yrs in which logically ISLAM was under the banner of those who were once against the early prominent people of islam

              it happened this way ABU- sufyan giveup
              son of abu safyan ameer mavia get back some powe again.
              his SON yazeed get all that back once lost by HIS grandpa. after assanination of nabis grandson and his family .

              after that they ruled their empire(again) in the name of new acceptable system ISLAM they give ISLAM the shape they wanted to give it.

              thats our history brother mazhar what noone can deny so its all about ?publishion?
              so if we have to go through real thing we have to consider all those things related with publishers and the politics of time going on there.

              usually thesis of anything depend on data what u have.
              so historical data what we have is possibly written by victors ?

              i am just asking what will gona decide the accuracy of thesis and depend on what material?

              i m still in early steps rest of your post we will bring in duscussion in due time when we finish our first step.

              God bless you

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                good_logic
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                Yes brother Imran.
                GOD knew what you ,I and many others are thinking now. History is full of junk ,... deceit and selfishness and ....telling lies ...and making up religions and confusion....etc
                GOD knew the future and publishers do not worry GOD one iota.
                GOD has the master tablet written in Mathematics,try as they might they will never be able to change it.

                So GOD will not give all generations the same thing?
                Why were some generations deprived of votes/more choices? Why did they not have the privileges we have now(planes, cars, bombs, televisions, ?) Why will the next generations also have different lives, privileges...etc?

                Are we improving as a human race or going backwards? Are we the lucky ones or were the past generations the lucky ones or will the future generation be the lucky ones.
                It all depends on our aims and priorities.
                A lot to do thesis on brother.
                Brother Mazhar will again say we are off topic, But the thesis statement of Qoran will keep changing until the truth comes out of it.
                Even if it takes us to the promised day.
                Reflect brother Imran,I am reflecting too.
                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

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                  imrankhawaja
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                  Peaec GL
                  GOD bless you all my big brothers who are investing their time in talking and finding about truth.

                  as a side NOTE as per your quote are we going backward or forward ?
                  if we see the history of last 300 years in the field of science we see all those people who actually GIVE humanity some invention like electtictity, technology etc what is the part of traditional ISLAM in it ? are we advancing really ? if we take things literally we are in a BIG confusion created by HUMANs obv

                  sorry brother mazhar if things are going offtopic u can always share your views about these connected offtopic things if its possible it will help us understanding and reflecting from new perceptions. by the way your topics are interesting always i must say i learn a lot when i research and read your views about interpretations . thanks

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                    Mazhar
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                    Friends please remember

                    The experts suggest that one of the criteria a book has to meet to earn title of a great book is that "The book has to speak from an important original setting".

                    The Book is the source of information about its original days. So we can easily discard the palavers by reference to the Book.

                    I wrote
                    The dialect of a language is which a person has grown up speaking from early childhood. The Qur?n was given and verbally orated to the exalted Messenger Muhammad and its first audience were the habitants of the Town around Kaa'ba - the House of Allah, and around Sacred Mosque in the Mother of Cities Mecca. Thereby, it is otherwise matter of common sense that its Dialect was necessarily the dialect of Mecca and Tribe of Quraysh. However, Allah the Exalted has not left it to speculations of later generations as to what is the Original dialect of the language of Qur?n.

                    http//haqeeqat.pk/TranslationDifferenceSource-Target-Language.htm

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                      Mazhar
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                      //Brother Mazhar will again say we are off topic, But the thesis statement of Qoran will keep changing until the truth comes out of it.//

                      Please remember; once a book is released, its Thesis Statement never changes. Please read the article along with what is it in academics by googling or downloading famous book "How to read a book".

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                        Salam

                        There is no god, except Allah( who is not a God)...according to my understanding and, I thank Allah and Brother Abdun Nur for this.

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                          Mazhar
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                          Salam

                          There is no god, except Allah( who is not a God)...according to my understanding and, I thank Allah and Brother Abdun Nur for this.

                          It is a senseless talk.

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                            good_logic
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                            Peace Mazhar.
                            "HOW TO READ A BOOK"?
                            I suppose that is why they say Mohammed could not read or write! He must have not read "how to read a book" first!!!!!

                            Here is me thinking I read thousands of books. I have to start again and read "how to read a book" first.
                            It makes sense now why no one understands this "thesis statement of Qoran". Except you brother Mazhar of course.
                            GOD bless you.
                            Peace.

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                              Mazhar
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                              Peace Mazhar.
                              "HOW TO READ A BOOK"?
                              I suppose that is why they say Mohammed could not read or write! He must have not read "how to read a book" first!!!!!

                              Here is me thinking I read thousands of books. I have to start again and read "how to read a book" first.
                              It makes sense now why no one understands this "thesis statement of Qoran". Except you brother Mazhar of course.
                              GOD bless you.
                              Peace.

                              Yes, you do not know how a book should be read. No, many others knew the thesis statement. Just read article on Qur'an in Wikipedia.

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                                Mazhar
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                                //Here is me thinking I read thousands of books. I have to start again and read "how to read a book" first.//

                                Just skim the referred book. You will get exposed to yourself also whether you actually read thousands of books; may be you feel sorry having wasted that much time thinking you were reading books.

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                                  good_logic
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                                  Peace Mazhar.
                                  I hope ,at least, I did not waste my time writing the 3344 posts, before you told me about the "how to read a book" book.

                                  Oh well, I might have wasted my time reading your 6913 posts as well.
                                  Anyway,thanks for your advice. Apologies if I skip reading your 6914 post.
                                  GOD bless you.
                                  Peace

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                                    imrankhawaja
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                                    Salam

                                    There is no god, except Allah( who is not a God)...according to my understanding and, I thank Allah and Brother Abdun Nur for this.

                                    by defination people say God to a being whos respondible for all creation around us.

                                    gods/greek gods/ancient gods along with godess are dieties of worship/rituals.

                                    the brackets parts ( who is not a god) then who is he? abdun nur have no idea what is the being who generated all what we see ?

                                    except ALLAH as per rules of text and all other religious TEXT there is one supreme authority people give diffetent names.

                                    that ALLAH dnt need you to make rituals
                                    that ALLAh dnt need you to sacrifice human/animals to make him pleased.
                                    that Allah dnt need you to treat him as u treat dieties.

                                    that Allah is baghwan of veda, holy God/father of christians, the controlleable force of nature by science. God of musa vs God of abraham = logically one but traditionally different Gods anyway

                                    ASK abdun nur to make ( something in brackets) for fullilling to understan who Allah is ?

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      Peace Mazhar.
                                      I hope ,at least, I did not waste my time writing the 3344 posts, before you told me about the "how to read a book" book.

                                      Oh well, I might have wasted my time reading your 6913 posts as well.
                                      Anyway,thanks for your advice. Apologies if I skip reading your 6914 post.
                                      GOD bless you.
                                      Peace

                                      My advice stands, after thousands books, do read one more book "How to read a book". I am sure it will be beneficial.

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                                        imrankhawaja
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                                        My advice stands, after thousands books, do read one more book "How to read a book". I am sure it will be beneficial.

                                        READING is easy
                                        UNDERSTANDING is real thing

                                        i was in year 2 when i read all those books of year 10.

                                        my own uncle amazed on me how come i read year 10 book and he showed to people too.

                                        JUST reading not understanding what the book is saying ( english )
                                        in case of urdu its more easy to read and even understand.

                                        BUT i think brother mazhar is not about this type of READING @ GL

                                        READ & HOW to READ itself intresting topic to discuss

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                                          imrankhawaja
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                                          Peace Mazhar.
                                          I hope ,at least, I did not waste my time writing the 3344 posts, before you told me about the "how to read a book" book.

                                          WRONG math you write more than 3344 posts lol jK peace

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