Pork is HALAL
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Deal believers peace...
This topic suddenly went silent without even echo...
I thought another proof to strengthen the claim that khinzeer laham. Is not flesh/meat of decayed meat/fruits...if that is the meaning of laham khinzeer then we cannot include URINE of animals to it.. Coz its not laham.
In India and un few other countries they consider the urine of vows etc is holi and also healthy for for body...
Does God restrict it? For example Does the urine or excretes look laham khinzeer or they are better than that so God didn't mention of it...
Does God need to say about cleanliness and purification in choice. Didn't God say that He loves those who keep clean? So don't we have common sense to know not to consume decayed fruits or meats or the urine or Shit of animals...731-32 ?O children of Adam! wear your beautiful apparel at every place of prayer eat and drink but waste not by excess for God loves not the wasters. Say Who has forbidden the beautiful (gifts) of God, which He hath produced for his servants, and the things clean and pure (which He has provided) for sustenance? Say They are in the life of this world, for those who believe, (and) purely for them on the Day of Judgment. Thus do We explain the signs in detail for those who understand.?
2222 ?......... ...Surely God loves those who are most repenting, and loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.? could be mind and body....
Also 56 and 443
Point to note is... Those who say that meat of swine is lawful... Please tell me whether the urine of pigs lawful since laham khinzeer doesn't at all match for LIQUID? If urine and shits allowed then no point of making decayed / rotten meat /flesh of animal or fruits Haram....
Now at least think what is laham khinzeer....
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if that is the meaning of laham khinzeer then we cannot include URINE of animals to it.. Coz its not laham.
In India and un few other countries they consider the urine of vows etc is holi and also healthy for for body...
Does God restrict it? For example Does the urine or excretes look laham khinzeer or they are better than that so God didn't mention of it...
Does God need to say about cleanliness and purification in choice. Didn't God say that He loves those who keep clean? So don't we have common sense to know not to consume decayed fruits or meats or the urine or Shit of animals......
Point to note is... Those who say that meat of swine is lawful... Please tell me whether the urine of pigs lawful since laham khinzeer doesn't at all match for LIQUID? If urine and shits allowed then no point of making decayed / rotten meat /flesh of animal or fruits Haram....
Now at least think what is laham khinzeer....
God guide us...It's your problem, not mine.. do you understand the issue!? brickwall
My interpretation is "maggoty" and "STINKING".. or even contaminated.
http//i66.tinypic.com/j5b2v6.jpg
So my Quran / interpretation covers that urine and shit are HARAM...
and flesh does not describe meat alone.. but the substance, and what is "considered/ seen/ given due consideration/ treated/ contemplated /aforethought/ thought-through/ examined/ advised etc"...
Those who say "pork only" can drink urine and eat shit .. there is nothing in your Quran that says it is HARAM.. therefore "Do not say about what your lying tongues describe This is halal and this is haram 16116"
https//www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/drinking-camel-urine-600x358.png
This is the i'tiqad for Quran Alone... and the hadith corroborates well with your interpretation... it is HALAL! rotfl
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophagia#Humans
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It's your problem, not mine.. do you understand the issue!? brickwall
My interpretation is "maggoty" and "STINKING".. or even contaminated.
http//i66.tinypic.com/j5b2v6.jpg
So my Quran / interpretation covers that urine and shit are HARAM...
and flesh does not describe meat alone.. but the substance, and what is "considered/ seen/ given due consideration/ treated/ contemplated /aforethought/ thought-through/ examined/ advised etc"...
Those who say "pork only" can drink urine and eat shit .. there is nothing in your Quran that says it is HARAM.. therefore "Do not say about what your lying tongues describe This is halal and this is haram 16116"
https//www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/drinking-camel-urine-600x358.png
This is the i'tiqad for Quran Alone... and the hadith corroborates well with your interpretation... it is HALAL! rotfl
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophagia#Humans
Peace all...
Hey strawman?.
First of all I didn?t address to you in my previous thread specifically to you to break your head on the wall and to say what you said ?It's your problem, not mine.. do you understand the issue!? I addressed to everyone who still believe that Pork is lawful? I wonder there is anyone who likes to eat pork and drink pig milk if he is a believer..?be exemplary to others..? or in addition to that urine
Okay .. let me turn to you this time exclusively to you with an answer?
YOUR INTERPRETATION WILL NOT INCLUDE URINE OR SHIT OF ANIMALS? Let me explain the URINE? Remember I explain this not to convince you but to expose you and your hypocrisy to those who have knowledge and those who are believers and still probably feel inclined and motivated to what you say without knowing to them? coz of your fancy spam posts?
Don?t change what you have already mentioned in your threads? Just go back and see what you have posted in your Very first thread? Unless you change that also? Screenshot will work?
Your First thread
You only came up with the meaning for
Laham = Meat.. meanwhile for Khinzeer = Maggoty / Stinking
Then later?
Laham (became)= Meat +Flesh(of plants)
Now (it turned to)
Laham = Meat + Flesh(plants) + Urine + etc..+ etc..+ etc.. + ++ and all covered.. lol
So initiated the meaning of Laham al Khinzeer = MAGGOTY / STINKING MEAT? that was your claim first..
Now Laham al Khinzeer = Maggoty / Stinking / contaminated Meat + (flesh of plants) + Urine + shits
Now as per your hypocrisy
So to make these things to be restricted by God, you say God used the wording of Laham al Khinzeer?.You think God doesn?t know how to explain a simple things? simply God would have said All decayed/rotten/ polluted foods/things (solid+liquid) haram or in much better way than anyone can even grasp?
since Laham is included in the verse to express the meaning which is a solid thing then it must include LIQUID as well? food is after all SOLID+LIQUID = FOOD
At least if your claim is Maggoty / stinking / contaminated foods (solid+liquid) THEN which can include (decayed meat, contaminated water, contaminated milk and juice + wastes of animals-urine +shits etc etc..) ?.then claim is meaningful.. But your claim is not that?your interpretation doesn?t include LIQUID? LIQUID is not a part of the phrase of God in which He prohibited by saying ??Laham al Khinzeer????
Since God only has mentioned Laham and the other word is only Khinzeer which doesn?t say liquid but only maggoty/stinking .. God didn?t use the Arabic word for LIQUID to explain this particular restriction? but only laham which is not liquid by any means? unacceptable..
So your claim cannot be included urine here..Fallacy exposed..
As per your all alterations from the beginning to now? it stands as under..
Laham al Khinzeer is Maggoty / Stinking / contaminated Meat + (flesh of plants) AND NOT LIQUIDS such as urine?.So as per your claim urine should be considered halal? Your interpretation cannot include urine which is liquid..
Btw that?s a very hilarious picture for those who are deep rooted with hadith? post it in any Hadith forums? that would help you? meantime your interpretation is also matching with the hadith which commands to drink camel urine?try it out?be the man of what he speaks.. without knowing to you, you have interpreted the Laham al Khinzeer as such?
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its simple case = ignorance of language/tonge as per rules of text.
1 if arabic is not his native language then we can solve it by saying a person is highly foolish/weakest minds in learning language.
2 if arabic is his native language then we can solve it by saying a person instead of having knowledge of language still not understand language becoz hez clearly insane/retard/weird/feakish = ( majnu) arabic word for that catagory.
hadith is gateway for lot of people where people can find whatever they wish.and if it was not in hadith anything (specific) they will make/create it.whatever was required for a political/religious group they already inserted it and thats what happened with every nation.
a set of 7 persian news after 200 years of muhamad death is not a law to be follwed. not even authorised. its enough to understand what was going on in between 200 years for publishing a biography of that main figure of islam.
logically bukahri and company are not even ?hadith?
as far i see a first hand report example by abu bakar about muhammad we can say its a report called ?hadith?/saying.and that report must have a stamp/sign/thumb of abubakar dated back to 630-635 ad.
with two witnesses from same era that abu baker write this report from his own hand.thats what we say authentic/geneuine/sahih ( authorised )
with bukhari & co thats not the case we should say it NEWS instead of hadith. they did not qualified as ?AUTHENTIC? sahih .
they are unathentic/fake/plagarised/flukes with touch of little common sense truth like sky is blue. its not even history even historical revords have a fix pattern.
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Peace all...
Hey strawman�.
First of all I didn�t address to you in my previous thread specifically to you to break your head on the wall and to say what you said �It's your problem, not mine.. do you understand the issue!? I addressed to everyone who still believe that Pork is lawful� I wonder there is anyone who likes to eat pork and drink pig milk if he is a believer..�be exemplary to others..� or in addition to that urine
Okay .. let me turn to you this time exclusively to you with an answer�
YOUR INTERPRETATION WILL NOT INCLUDE URINE OR SHIT OF ANIMALS� Let me explain the URINE� Remember I explain this not to convince you but to expose you and your hypocrisy to those who have knowledge and those who are believers and still probably feel inclined and motivated to what you say without knowing to them� coz of your fancy spam posts�
Don�t change what you have already mentioned in your threads� Just go back and see what you have posted in your Very first thread� Unless you change that also� Screenshot will work�
Your First thread
You only came up with the meaning for
Laham = Meat.. meanwhile for Khinzeer = Maggoty / Stinking
Then later�
Laham (became)= Meat +Flesh(of plants)
Now (it turned to)
Laham = Meat + Flesh(plants) + Urine + etc..+ etc..+ etc.. + ++ and all covered.. lol
So initiated the meaning of Laham al Khinzeer = MAGGOTY / STINKING MEAT� that was your claim first..
Now Laham al Khinzeer = Maggoty / Stinking / contaminated Meat + (flesh of plants) + Urine + shits
Now as per your hypocrisy
So to make these things to be restricted by God, you say God used the wording of Laham al Khinzeer�.You think God doesn�t know how to explain a simple things� simply God would have said All decayed/rotten/ polluted foods/things (solid+liquid) haram or in much better way than anyone can even grasp�
since Laham is included in the verse to express the meaning which is a solid thing then it must include LIQUID as well� food is after all SOLID+LIQUID = FOOD
At least if your claim is Maggoty / stinking / contaminated foods (solid+liquid) THEN which can include (decayed meat, contaminated water, contaminated milk and juice + wastes of animals-urine +shits etc etc..) �.then claim is meaningful.. But your claim is not that�your interpretation doesn�t include LIQUID� LIQUID is not a part of the phrase of God in which He prohibited by saying ��Laham al Khinzeer����
Since God only has mentioned Laham and the other word is only Khinzeer which doesn�t say liquid but only maggoty/stinking .. God didn�t use the Arabic word for LIQUID to explain this particular restriction� but only laham which is not liquid by any means� unacceptable..
So your claim cannot be included urine here..Fallacy exposed..
As per your all alterations from the beginning to now� it stands as under..
Laham al Khinzeer is Maggoty / Stinking / contaminated Meat + (flesh of plants) AND NOT LIQUIDS such as urine�.So as per your claim urine should be considered halal� Your interpretation cannot include urine which is liquid..
Btw that�s a very hilarious picture for those who are deep rooted with hadith� post it in any Hadith forums� that would help you� meantime your interpretation is also matching with the hadith which commands to drink camel urine�try it out�be the man of what he speaks.. without knowing to you, you have interpreted the Laham al Khinzeer as such�
You're so DESPERATE, and/or too stupid! rotfl
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and....
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https//dictionary.reverso.net/arabic-english/%D9%8A%D8%B1/forced
and what is "considered/ seen/ given due consideration/ treated/ contemplated /aforethought/ thought-through/ examined/ advised etc"...
- flesh (substance)
- maggoty and stinking
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its simple case = ignorance of language/tonge as per rules of text.
wake up! elektro
QXPvi (THE QUR'AN AS IT EXPLAINS ITSELF, 6th edition) February 2015
By Dr. Shabbir Ahmed, FloridaThe First Dilemma The Persian ?Imams? received strong support from the Abbasid monarchs for political reasons. While the text of the Qur'an remained untouched, its words and terminology were, gradually, given alien, culturally and politically biased meanings to the extent that they lost the splendor and the magnificence so beautifully conveyed in the original, revealed Arabic ‘Mubeen'. Simply put, the Qur'anic terms were dressed up with the erroneous philosophies prevalent in the Zoroastrian culture of Persia, and they became widely accepted even among the Arabs! This staggering tragedy explains why, how and where, even the Arabic speaking people lose their touch with the Qur'an!
Now The Third Dilemma The later generations of translators and commentators have uncritically followed the men of old and this tendency has been consistently taking its noxious toll. They have been taking the Ajami Arabic as the proper language of the Qur'an. By Ajami Arabic I mean applying the Zoro-Persian or any alien concepts to the Arabic words and terms of the Qur'an.
http//drshabbir.com/library/qxp_vi_english.pdf
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The fallacies of arabic grammar...
Is it a lie, false LordLaws other than Allah/Sunnatullah, that you want? (3786)
fresh meat
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is HALAL.
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mahdi is this you in the display picture of your ID ?
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nope, my avatar.
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whos he ?
i think i ve seen him.
either hez the DRUG lord from ?breaking-bad? who created some fire stuff lol.
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nope, my avatar.
Wow.... That's a look..... Nice to see the people's faces.... And real names.... Recently I saw kaltun.... Smart looking gentleman... Not far from UK.... Very generous character....
I think I also should show up myself.... At least I can find a partner... lol yay -
whos he ?
Iblees rotfl
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=4941;type=avatar
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He is a theory Scientist that explains Qoran like brother Mahdi does?
Or may be brother Mahdi likes Scientists ,for example Tesla.
He could also be a comedian...
GOD bless.
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Think about this... "Which of you is mad? 686"
The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal (Islamic) society.
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(this is haram? rotfl )Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal (Islamic) society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.?
― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited
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You mean Herbert Kornfield the gansta?
May Allah guide him to the straight path as well! OK may be it is too late.
GOD bless you.
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2267
?O you who have believed, spend from the good things which you have earned and from that which We have produced for you from the earth. And do not aim toward the defective therefrom, spending while you would not take it except with closed eyes. And know that Allah is Free of need and Praiseworthy.?
6825-26
?And they went in the morning with strong intention, thinking that they have power (to prevent the poor taking anything of the fruits therefrom).
But when they saw the (garden), they said "Verily, we have gone astray,"The above verses are very good exemplary indications that what is the nature of human? They like only the good things to eat or have what earth produces for which no need extra explanation not consume the decayed items.. That?s so natural with how human is created?
God guide people? The Sardar .. the above verses would help your concern and strengthen the evidence in sha allah.. -
Nothing in the Quran says maggoty and stinking flesh etc haram...
Threfore, your religion says it is HALAL to drink camel urine, eat shit, maggoty meat etc... rotfl
Those who say "pork only" can drink urine and eat shit .. there is nothing in your Quran that says it is HARAM.. therefore "Do not say about what your lying tongues describe This is halal and this is haram 16116"
https//www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/drinking-camel-urine-600x358.png
This is the i'tiqad for Quran Alone... and the hadith corroborates well with your interpretation... it is HALAL! rotfl
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophagia#Humans
Say "Produce your witnesses to testify that Allah made this (camel urine, shit, maggoty and stinking meat etc) haram." If they do testify, do not testify with them and do not follow the whims and desires of people who deny Our Signs, and who do not have iman in the Next World and make others equal to their Lord (SHIRK). (6150)
Why don't they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah/TRUTH (falsehood), they would find many discrepancies in it. (482)
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Urine Therapy is actually very healthy. And the quality of urine is based on ones consumption behaviour. Now you can think why camel urine was so special. Excrements are something completely different...
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eclkz586P1c
Brother you are completely lost because of this System and its paradigms. Seek forgivenes and help from the Almighty.
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Think about this... "Which of you is mad? 686"
rotfl
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Salam,
Interesting but it can not be "spoiled meat". You do not need God for that ..
I suggest you three lines of thought
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Literal "Pork meat" => The traditional track. Ok you rejected it but it's the most literal understanding even if one wonders why add the word "meat" because the word "pig" would have been enough and no ambiguity possible like that
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Allegorical
2-1) "Pork meat" = Fornication (Out of marriage)
It is interesting to note that God is asking us to believe what has been descended before Muhammad and the teaching of Jesus comes after the Torah. But we find 4 prohibited in "acts of the apostles" who have a familiarity with our 4 forbidden except on 1 point "Pork meat" versus Fornication. (See 1520 and 1529)2-2) "Pork meat" = Devilish words of the devils
In the injeel and in the Koran the pig symbolically represents the devil.
The pig is the one who looks askance instead of looking straight aheadPeace
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