Pork is HALAL

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Peace all...

Hey strawman�.

First of all I didn�t address to you in my previous thread specifically to you to break your head on the wall and to say what you said �It's your problem, not mine.. do you understand the issue!? I addressed to everyone who still believe that Pork is lawful� I wonder there is anyone who likes to eat pork and drink pig milk if he is a believer..�be exemplary to others..� or in addition to that urine

Okay .. let me turn to you this time exclusively to you with an answer�

YOUR INTERPRETATION WILL NOT INCLUDE URINE OR SHIT OF ANIMALS� Let me explain the URINE� Remember I explain this not to convince you but to expose you and your hypocrisy to those who have knowledge and those who are believers and still probably feel inclined and motivated to what you say without knowing to them� coz of your fancy spam posts�

Don�t change what you have already mentioned in your threads� Just go back and see what you have posted in your Very first thread� Unless you change that also� Screenshot will work�

Your First thread

You only came up with the meaning for

Laham = Meat.. meanwhile for Khinzeer = Maggoty / Stinking

Then later�

Laham (became)= Meat +Flesh(of plants)

Now (it turned to)

Laham = Meat + Flesh(plants) + Urine + etc..+ etc..+ etc.. + ++ and all covered.. lol

So initiated the meaning of Laham al Khinzeer = MAGGOTY / STINKING MEAT� that was your claim first..

Now Laham al Khinzeer = Maggoty / Stinking / contaminated Meat + (flesh of plants) + Urine + shits

Now as per your hypocrisy

So to make these things to be restricted by God, you say God used the wording of Laham al Khinzeer�.You think God doesn�t know how to explain a simple things� simply God would have said All decayed/rotten/ polluted foods/things (solid+liquid) haram or in much better way than anyone can even grasp�

since Laham is included in the verse to express the meaning which is a solid thing then it must include LIQUID as well� food is after all SOLID+LIQUID = FOOD

At least if your claim is Maggoty / stinking / contaminated foods (solid+liquid) THEN which can include (decayed meat, contaminated water, contaminated milk and juice + wastes of animals-urine +shits etc etc..) �.then claim is meaningful.. But your claim is not that�your interpretation doesn�t include LIQUID� LIQUID is not a part of the phrase of God in which He prohibited by saying ��Laham al Khinzeer��

Since God only has mentioned Laham and the other word is only Khinzeer which doesn�t say liquid but only maggoty/stinking .. God didn�t use the Arabic word for LIQUID to explain this particular restriction� but only laham which is not liquid by any means� unacceptable..

So your claim cannot be included urine here..Fallacy exposed..

As per your all alterations from the beginning to now� it stands as under..

Laham al Khinzeer is Maggoty / Stinking / contaminated Meat + (flesh of plants) AND NOT LIQUIDS such as urine�.So as per your claim urine should be considered halal� Your interpretation cannot include urine which is liquid..

Btw that�s a very hilarious picture for those who are deep rooted with hadith� post it in any Hadith forums� that would help you� meantime your interpretation is also matching with the hadith which commands to drink camel urine�try it out�be the man of what he speaks.. without knowing to you, you have interpreted the Laham al Khinzeer as such�

You're so DESPERATE, and/or too stupid! rotfl

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and....

ير

https//dictionary.reverso.net/arabic-english/%D9%8A%D8%B1/forced

and what is "considered/ seen/ given due consideration/ treated/ contemplated /aforethought/ thought-through/ examined/ advised etc"...

flesh (substance)
maggoty and stinking

Mahdi_Ibrahim

its simple case = ignorance of language/tonge as per rules of text.

wake up! elektro

QXPvi (THE QUR&#039AN AS IT EXPLAINS ITSELF, 6th edition) February 2015
By Dr. Shabbir Ahmed, Florida

The First Dilemma The Persian ?Imams? received strong support from the Abbasid monarchs for political reasons. While the text of the Qur&#039an remained untouched, its words and terminology were, gradually, given alien, culturally and politically biased meanings to the extent that they lost the splendor and the magnificence so beautifully conveyed in the original, revealed Arabic ‘Mubeen&#039. Simply put, the Qur&#039anic terms were dressed up with the erroneous philosophies prevalent in the Zoroastrian culture of Persia, and they became widely accepted even among the Arabs! This staggering tragedy explains why, how and where, even the Arabic speaking people lose their touch with the Qur&#039an!

Now The Third Dilemma The later generations of translators and commentators have uncritically followed the men of old and this tendency has been consistently taking its noxious toll. They have been taking the Ajami Arabic as the proper language of the Qur&#039an. By Ajami Arabic I mean applying the Zoro-Persian or any alien concepts to the Arabic words and terms of the Qur&#039an.

http//drshabbir.com/library/qxp_vi_english.pdf

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The fallacies of arabic grammar...

Is it a lie, false LordLaws other than Allah/Sunnatullah, that you want? (3786)

fresh meat

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is HALAL.

imrankhawaja

mahdi is this you in the display picture of your ID ?

Mahdi_Ibrahim

nope, my avatar.

imrankhawaja

whos he ?

i think i ve seen him.

either hez the DRUG lord from ?breaking-bad? who created some fire stuff lol.
or hez looking like charlie chaplan in his early 30s lmao.

jkhan

nope, my avatar.

Wow.... That's a look..... Nice to see the people's faces.... And real names.... Recently I saw kaltun.... Smart looking gentleman... Not far from UK.... Very generous character....
I think I also should show up myself.... At least I can find a partner... lol yay

Mahdi_Ibrahim

whos he ?

Iblees rotfl

https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=4941;type=avatar

good_logic

He is a theory Scientist that explains Qoran like brother Mahdi does?

Or may be brother Mahdi likes Scientists ,for example Tesla.
He could also be a comedian...
GOD bless.
Peace.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Think about this... "Which of you is mad? 686"

The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal (Islamic) society.

https//images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81MNLH0rFiL.SX355.jpg
(this is haram? rotfl )

Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal (Islamic) society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.?

― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited

kaltun

Iblees rotfl

https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=4941;type=avatar

little off topic but this is

herbert kornfeld ( presumably he is dead )

good_logic

You mean Herbert Kornfield the gansta?

May Allah guide him to the straight path as well! OK may be it is too late.
GOD bless you.
peace.

jkhan

2267
?O you who have believed, spend from the good things which you have earned and from that which We have produced for you from the earth. And do not aim toward the defective therefrom, spending while you would not take it except with closed eyes. And know that Allah is Free of need and Praiseworthy.?
6825-26
?And they went in the morning with strong intention, thinking that they have power (to prevent the poor taking anything of the fruits therefrom).
But when they saw the (garden), they said "Verily, we have gone astray,"

The above verses are very good exemplary indications that what is the nature of human? They like only the good things to eat or have what earth produces for which no need extra explanation not consume the decayed items.. That?s so natural with how human is created?
God guide people? The Sardar .. the above verses would help your concern and strengthen the evidence in sha allah..

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Nothing in the Quran says maggoty and stinking flesh etc haram...

Threfore, your religion says it is HALAL to drink camel urine, eat shit, maggoty meat etc... rotfl

Those who say "pork only" can drink urine and eat shit .. there is nothing in your Quran that says it is HARAM.. therefore "Do not say about what your lying tongues describe This is halal and this is haram 16116"

https//www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/drinking-camel-urine-600x358.png

This is the i'tiqad for Quran Alone... and the hadith corroborates well with your interpretation... it is HALAL! rotfl

https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophagia#Humans

Say "Produce your witnesses to testify that Allah made this (camel urine, shit, maggoty and stinking meat etc) haram." If they do testify, do not testify with them and do not follow the whims and desires of people who deny Our Signs, and who do not have iman in the Next World and make others equal to their Lord (SHIRK). (6150)

Why don't they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah/TRUTH (falsehood), they would find many discrepancies in it. (482)

Abaddon

Urine Therapy is actually very healthy. And the quality of urine is based on ones consumption behaviour. Now you can think why camel urine was so special. Excrements are something completely different...

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eclkz586P1c

Brother you are completely lost because of this System and its paradigms. Seek forgivenes and help from the Almighty.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Think about this... "Which of you is mad? 686"

rotfl

Iyyaka

Salam,

Interesting but it can not be "spoiled meat". You do not need God for that ..

I suggest you three lines of thought

Literal "Pork meat" => The traditional track. Ok you rejected it but it's the most literal understanding even if one wonders why add the word "meat" because the word "pig" would have been enough and no ambiguity possible like that
Allegorical

2-1) "Pork meat" = Fornication (Out of marriage)
It is interesting to note that God is asking us to believe what has been descended before Muhammad and the teaching of Jesus comes after the Torah. But we find 4 prohibited in "acts of the apostles" who have a familiarity with our 4 forbidden except on 1 point "Pork meat" versus Fornication. (See 1520 and 1529)

2-2) "Pork meat" = Devilish words of the devils
In the injeel and in the Koran the pig symbolically represents the devil.
The pig is the one who looks askance instead of looking straight ahead

Peace

Mahdi_Ibrahim

"spoiled meat". You do not need God for that ..

You're saying we can sell maggoty stinking meats?

You are not to eat any carcass; you may give it to a temporary resident within your gates, and he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner. (Deuteronomy 1421)

Anyone who eats from the carcass must wash his clothes and will be unclean until evening, and anyone who picks up the carcass must wash his clothes and will be unclean until evening. (Leviticus 1140)

Say "People of the Book (Jews, Christians and Muslims)! you have nothing to stand on until you implement the Torah and the Gospel and what has been sent down to you from your Lord." (Quran 56

Those who say "pork only" can drink urine and eat shit .. there is nothing in your Quran that says it is HARAM.. therefore "Do not say about what your lying tongues describe This is halal and this is haram 16116"

https//www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/drinking-camel-urine-600x358.png

This is the i'tiqad for Quran Alone... and the hadith corroborates well with your interpretation... it is HALAL! rotfl

https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophagia#Humans

Please make the argument with "authority"..

What verse from the Quran that makes haram maggoty stinking meat etc?

I suggest you three lines of thought

I suggest none of the above and verses 2173, 53, 6145 and 16115.

Iyyaka

Salam

Even if you do not want to analyze in depth my assumptions (by my fault - given few arguments) you must know that I prefer the second hypothesisi made in my previous message (Fornication) ; and I will give you my arguments (even in a language, English, that is not natural for me - so sorry in advance for my faults).

Let's start at the beginning. 4 things are forbidden

Category 1 => Carrion and in this category is more detailed (including the smothered animal)
Category 2 => Blood
Category 3 => pork meat
Category 4 => meat dedicated to idols

Then we have one thing in common. As you mentioned all meat was allowed BEFORE the revelation of the Torah (so pork too ..).
Second verse as a whole refers to something that relates to the flesh in the physical sense of the term (which is why I reject my third hypothesis). This is also our second common point.

- - - - Now see our differences and first your arguments

You quote the deuteronomy and the levitic => Very well but the problem is that it falls in the category 1 and not the 3.
Then God already forbids spoiled or smelly meat through category 1. (so I answer your question)
Finally the word "Khinzir" in other verses of the Qur'an is unambiguously translated as "pork" (560 "Say" Shall I inform you of it worse than a punishment from God? angry at them, and made of them apes and PIGS .. &quot

- - - - Now, my arguments for saying "pork meat" = Fornication.

1)God asks us not to practice fornication and adultery

those who preserve their sex,
Except for their wives or what they possess by oath, in which they can not be blamed.

But the word "infamy" (alfawahisha in 733 for example) concerns in the QURAN only 3 categories

adultery
ribba
homosexuality.
But not fornication between 1 man and 1 woman ...Also ?Arabic ZINA ? refers in Quran to adultery.
Acts of the Apostles and Parallel with the Qur'an

Quran(53..) Acts of the apostles (1520&29)
Carrion (strangled among others&#8230 Thins strangled
Blood From blood
Pork meat Fornication
Meat dedicated for idols Pollution of idols

=> Acts of Apostles -1520 "But that they write to them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. "

Term "Constraint" uses

QURAN ".... But if anyone is forced into it, other than by desire or transgression, then God is Forgiving, Merciful. "
versus
QURAN "And in your search for the goods of life here below, do not compel your young girls to prostitution, if they wish to remain chaste. If someone restrains them, then God, after they have been restrained, is Forgiving, Merciful. "

=> Amazing and unique parallel that is not random. We find the notion of constraint (forced) and the fact that God is forgiving, merciful.But it is a matter of forced fornication, and not of adultery, in .

Tainted (6145) "Arabic RIJS)

Why abstain from pork?
God justifies it by the notion of "defilement" in .

The word RIJS appears in the following verses

5 90
6 125
6 145 = pork meat
7 71
9 95
9 125 (2 times)
10 100
22 30 => tainted of idols
33 33

=> The word ? tainted ? refers in these verses to the tainted of the soul/heart and not to the physical tainted of the body.
=> It is reasonable to assume that the 6145 refers to the taint of the soul related to a sin and not to the tainted of the body

Classical Dictionary

As you have underlined in your first messages the pork is so called because "he looked from the outer angles of his eyes" (Lane's lexicon) Applied to a man this may mean having a concupiscent look => sexual connotations or having lying words (not right).

Pork taken as allegory (Cf -> 5 60 quoted above).

We need to know that the Arabs were pragmatic and, like us today, used images of animals to insult or target bad behavior.

meat as human flesh

Quran - "...Would any of you enjoy eating (Arabic Yakula) the flesh (Arabic Lahma) of his dead brother? "
=> Here "Lahma" makes reference to human flesh and it is mentionned in an allegorical meaning

Peace be upon u.

Noon_waalqalami

Salam

Even if you do not want to analyze in depth my assumptions (by my fault - given few arguments) you must know that I prefer the second hypothesisi made in my previous message (Fornication) ...

peace Iyyaka, (welcome) interesting view although talks about context of food not fornication, etc.

http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=TEm#(614511)

6145 say not I find in what inspires to me impermissible of on imin/eater yaamuhu/he eats it except that being lifeless or blood of poured forth of or lahma/flesh khinzrin/swine so surely it filthiness or disobedience of dedicate to other than the god in/with it so who forced other than desires and not reverts so indeed lord your forgiver merciful

likewise as was already explained ...

2173, 53, 16115 walahma/and flesh l-khinziri/the swine (cannot be an adjective)

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Let's start at the beginning. 4 things are forbidden

Category 1 => Carrion and in this category is more detailed (including the smothered animal)
Category 2 => Blood
Category 3 => pork meat
Category 4 => meat dedicated to idols

Then we have one thing in common. As you mentioned all meat was allowed BEFORE the revelation of the Torah (so pork too ..).
Second verse as a whole refers to something that relates to the flesh in the physical sense of the term (which is why I reject my third hypothesis). This is also our second common point.

not according to the Quran...

Did Allah forget to mention about "Pork"?

WE MADE HARAM FOR THE JEWS every animal with an undivided hoof, and in respect of cattle and sheep, We made their fat haram for them, except what is attached to their backs or guts or mixed up with bone. That is how We repaid them for their insolence. And WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible). (6146)

• And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. Leviticus 117-8 ESV

• And the pig, because it parts the hoof but does not chew the cud, is unclean for you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. Deuteronomy 148 ESV

Accordingly

The FOOD (flesh of swine) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (halal foods and flesh of swine), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)

Allah does not make pork haram in the previous revelations.

They make it haram and Allah says "WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible)"

Therefore

• Show me verses that Allah make pork haram for the Jews? ELSE it is halal to eat fresh meat

• Show me where did Allah say maggoty and stinking meat urine etc haram? ELSE it is halal for the conventional muslims

You are not to eat any carcass; you may give it to a temporary resident within your gates, and he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner. (Deuteronomy 1421)

Anyone who eats from the carcass must wash his clothes and will be unclean until evening, and anyone who picks up the carcass must wash his clothes and will be unclean until evening. (Leviticus 1140)

Say "People of the Book (Jews, Christians and Muslims)! you have nothing to stand on until you implement the Torah and the Gospel and what has been sent down to you from your Lord." (Quran 56

Contradiction from previous books

Maggoty stinking meat is both halal and haram
Pork was made haram in their books
Which one? " WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible). (6146)"

From the Quran (confirming function)

Pork was not made haram for the Jews, Allah speaks the truth and not the Torah/Bible
Verses about Pork without consistency and self-contradicted, and against common sense
No verses from the Quran make maggoty and stinking meat urine etc haram

THEREFORE, pork is halal

Your ruling merely Christian's doctrine adopted and practice by Muslim, Christian Indoctrination in the Quran.

Now, my arguments for saying "pork meat" = Fornication.

How does it fit into verses 2173, 53, 6145 and 16115?

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I cannot see the consistency of your argument.