Pork is HALAL

[jkhan]

Hello everyone

Pork/swine is forbidden and it is clear.

The reason why pork is forbidden (and an answer to “theory of evolution” below)

If you google it, you will see that pigs and humans share many physical similarities such as same skin, protruding noses, teeth, digestive system, body weight etc Pigs also share many diseases with humans etc

It is as if humans and pigs come from one source yeah?

Well pigs and monkeys/apes were created from humans ... The God tells us clearly in surah 5, verse 60 that He made them from humans ... The God made pigs from humans and that is why pork is forbidden ...

and now to crush the theory of evolution

Please note that there are no adjectives before the word monkeys/apes in verse 60 of surah 5. The God does not quality the pigs and apes of anything but just tells us He made pigss and apes from humans

However
In surah 7 verse 166 and surah 2 verses 65-66 , The God says that he told the transgressors against the sabbath “be despicable apes” and He made them a deterrent punishment for the those with them and succeeding generations. Please notice how he used the adjective “despicable” These are what the scientists claim to be human “ancestors”. Notice the adjective “despicable” before the word monkeys/apes

There is no Darwin evolution, the ape common ancestors scientists claim are actually transgressors against the sabbath. Also these apes scientists call common ancestor were all found in Africa...and egypt is in Africa ...

Also, regarding the people of Noah, we know who they were. The God tells us in surah 25, verse 37 that He left them as a sign for humankind.

And, yes they are here and we found them.

Please see surah 7, verse 69 where Hud tells his people that The God increased them (people of Hud) in creation vis a vis Noah’s people.

Noah’s people are what we call neanderthals/Denisovans

I think The God left fossils for us as signs and proofs

The Quran is from The God so please spread the word and invite people to His path, as The God says in surah 41 verse 33

peace )

https//www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59944889

what if really God physically disfigured human into swine... Wording is there...

[Amra94]

Just saw a story about the first successful transplant of pig heart to human..

https//www.cbsnews.com/news/heart-transplant-pig-human-patient/

[hawk99]

Just saw a story about the first successful transplant of pig heart to human..

https//www.cbsnews.com/news/heart-transplant-pig-human-patient/

Peace Amra94

Patient in Groundbreaking Heart Transplant Dies. I hope they have more success in the future.

God bless peace

[Amra94]

Peace Amra94

Patient in Groundbreaking Heart Transplant Dies. I hope they have more success in the future.

God bless peace

Peace, if they do have more success I wonder if people will stop eating pork because it's borderline cannibalism since they say a pigs DNA is more similar to a humans than an orangutan is.

[luan10]

Hello to all,

I found page about halal food is-it-halal.com. Does anyone have any other page that is good? Grateful for all suggestions!

[good_logic]

Peace.
Why would anyone look for a list of halal foods from people?
The Creator , the one with complete knowledge and wisdom ,has only given,according to Qoran, four types of food that are forbidden because of harm to all humans.
All the other foods provided by Him for us on earth are halal. One can never exhaust or limit the list of halal foods.

Why has our Creator not provided a list of halal foods for us?
Simply because anything that is edible and you like its taste- If not on the forbidden list-is halal for you. if you follow the Creator s system.
If one is not following the Creator s system ,then the question should not arise.
GOD has not left anymore to be said on halal and haram foods. However humans will always like to have their own say on what GOD has said.

So one has the choice to follow GOD that created and provided all our food or follow humans that cannot create nor provide others with anything.
GOD bless.
Peace..

[NK]

It is clearly mentioned in Chapter 5 Verse 1

أُحِلَّتْ لَكُم بَهِيمَةُ الْأَنْعَامِ

Pork does not come under الْأَنْعَام therefore it is not HALAL. Same as horses, donkeys and related animals do not come underالْأَنْعَام therefore not only Pork but those animals also do not HALAL.

[jkhan]

Peace..

What if Member Mahdi Ibrahim is right on this particular topic..

I was wondering, if a believer wants to eat pig fat and bones soup etc other than the flesh of swine, then he slaughter a pig. Right.. Then he takes what is halal out of it and what he gonna do with flesh? Is it Okay he bury them or throw it give to anyone who eats.. I am really confused.. Why would Allah allow all other bodily parts of pigs while forbidding only flesh..
I'm not convinced at right now even though I strongly researched and argued with Mahdi on this topic. But strangely I feel otherwise now.. But not convinced... Soya believer can raise pigs since he can sell lard or fats and bones and heads of pigs?

@Mazhar brother or anyone ... Would you please provide me all possible dictionary meanings of Khinzeer and Laham... Pls. I tried lane but I found only stinking etc.. Lol.. Only for my research purposes...

Thank you...

[jkhan]

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I found this interesting meaning in Lane...

If one takes it as diseased flesh or rotten or stinking flesh why it could be wrong according to wording? But why it could be wrong taking it flesh of swine is well? But what in fact God commanded? Needs to explore...

[jkhan]

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I found this interesting meaning in Lane...

If one takes it as diseased flesh or rotten or stinking flesh why it could be wrong according to wording? But why it could be wrong taking it flesh of swine is well? But what in fact God commanded? Needs to explore...

Well I think I have to clarify why I am so interested to dig this topic again... Surely not coz I am from recent times so interested and attracted towards pork &.. But there is truth... Look..

Even if we say Pork is Haram we could be associating with God (6121) OR even if we say Pork is Halal we could be associating with God unless we convince what indeed God has commanded and forbidden.. Am I sound Okay in basic logic?
Yes avoid pork if it is your choice... No issues at all... But we cannot preach falsehood to people unless we were in ignorance or misguided...

Once I am convinced let me reply next time if God guides me.. Keep researching... God never forbidden one to research His book.. But He only guides to the truth...

[TellMeTheTruth]

Dear JKhan!

Please also note some examples of animal names in Arabic that are formed with the suffix "-ير" (-eer)

سبعير (sab'eer) - Lioness
نمير (nam'eer) - Leopard
ذئبير (thi'beer) - Hyena
ثعلبير (tha'labeer) - Fox
غزالير (ghazaleer) - Gazelle
طاووسير (tawooseer) - Peacock

These are just a few examples, and there are more animal names in Arabic that follow this pattern. The "-ير" (-eer) suffix is commonly used to form feminine animal names in Arabic.

Peace!

[jkhan]

Dear JKhan!

Please also note some examples of animal names in Arabic that are formed with the suffix "-ير" (-eer)

سبعير (sab'eer) - Lioness
نمير (nam'eer) - Leopard
ذئبير (thi'beer) - Hyena
ثعلبير (tha'labeer) - Fox
غزالير (ghazaleer) - Gazelle
طاووسير (tawooseer) - Peacock

These are just a few examples, and there are more animal names in Arabic that follow this pattern. The "-ير" (-eer) suffix is commonly used to form feminine animal names in Arabic.

Peace!

Yeah.. I know that... It doesn't mean which ends in yeer are animals..

So according your understanding of Quran pork is forbidden? After all individuals are responsible for making decisions...

[TellMeTheTruth]

Yeah.. I know that... It doesn't mean which ends in yeer are animals..

So according your understanding of Quran pork is forbidden? After all individuals are responsible for making decisions...

Salam brother Jkhan!

As per my understanding from Quran, every "Dead" thing is forbidden.

Peace!

[TellMeTheTruth]

Yeah.. I know that... It doesn't mean which ends in yeer are animals..

So according your understanding of Quran pork is forbidden? After all individuals are responsible for making decisions...

Salam!

Notice that these names are feminine only.

Peace!

[Mazhar]

Peace..

What if Member Mahdi Ibrahim is right on this particular topic..

I was wondering, if a believer wants to eat pig fat and bones soup etc other than the flesh of swine, then he slaughter a pig. Right.. Then he takes what is halal out of it and what he gonna do with flesh? Is it Okay he bury them or throw it give to anyone who eats.. I am really confused.. Why would Allah allow all other bodily parts of pigs while forbidding only flesh..
I'm not convinced at right now even though I strongly researched and argued with Mahdi on this topic. But strangely I feel otherwise now.. But not convinced... Soya believer can raise pigs since he can sell lard or fats and bones and heads of pigs?

@Mazhar brother or anyone ... Would you please provide me all possible dictionary meanings of Khinzeer and Laham... Pls. I tried lane but I found only stinking etc.. Lol.. Only for my research purposes...

Thank you...

Salamun alaika, Sorry brother I did not see earlier you tagged me.

Pig is a family, included in mammals. Long time an Arab lady used to be admn. We discussed. Similar was the position that involved insulin made of pig matter. I recall that I advised not to probe halal haram issue further; and just consider that specifically meat (flesh is not necessarily meat) is prohibited at all the four places describing dietary protocol.

لَحْمٙا; meat from Root ل ح م. Ibn Faris stated it leads to the perception of intergraded, interference, overlap, engage, like the flesh/meat that obvolute, imbricate, overlap some of it in some. Lane's Lexicon "He closed up the hole thereof with a patch; meaning a garment, or piece of cloth, and a skin, or hide. It coalesced, consolidated, closed up, or became closely united." Meat is an eatable, be it of mammals, fish or birds

إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ عَلَيْكُـمُ ٱلْمَيْتَةَ وَٱلدَّمَ وَلَحْمَ ٱلْخِنزِيرِ

He the Exalted has forbidden upon you people specifically the dead corpse-mammal who has died a natural death, and the blood, and the meat of swine - pig —

Muscles were turned into meat which appears an eatable. Live meat has a neutral pH of around 7m; the final pH of raw meat (dead) is around 5.5 which is more acidic than live muscle. The meat we consume is mostly made up of animal muscles that have gone through a conversion process that begins when slaughtered. Thus Muscle is not meat.

[jkhan]

Salamun alaika, Sorry brother I did not see earlier you tagged me.

Pig is a family, included in mammals. Long time an Arab lady used to be admn. We discussed. Similar was the position that involved insulin made of pig matter. I recall that I advised not to probe halal haram issue further; and just consider that specifically meat (flesh is not necessarily meat) is prohibited at all the four places describing dietary protocol.

لَحْمٙا; meat from Root ل ح م. Ibn Faris stated it leads to the perception of intergraded, interference, overlap, engage, like the flesh/meat that obvolute, imbricate, overlap some of it in some. Lane's Lexicon "He closed up the hole thereof with a patch; meaning a garment, or piece of cloth, and a skin, or hide. It coalesced, consolidated, closed up, or became closely united." Meat is an eatable, be it of mammals, fish or birds

إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ عَلَيْكُـمُ ٱلْمَيْتَةَ وَٱلدَّمَ وَلَحْمَ ٱلْخِنزِيرِ

He the Exalted has forbidden upon you people specifically the dead corpse-mammal who has died a natural death, and the blood, and the meat of swine - pig —

Muscles were turned into meat which appears an eatable. Live meat has a neutral pH of around 7m; the final pH of raw meat (dead) is around 5.5 which is more acidic than live muscle. The meat we consume is mostly made up of animal muscles that have gone through a conversion process that begins when slaughtered. Thus Muscle is not meat.

Thank you so much brother.. No need feel sorry..

What you provided with, seems not sufficient for my expansive research unfortunately ...

Meanwhile why you say those died naturally while God has not used such a specific word. If you have hunting dogs and foxes or vultures etc if they catch for you any animal and if they happened to die coz of hunting animals attack or bite, I am sure it is forbidden... Even if you hunt shooting using any weapon be it bow and arrow or pistol if the animal dies before slaughtering I don't think and quite obvious they are forbidden.. You have to slaughter unless seafood... Do you agree according to Quran in your understanding..?

It doesn't necessarily be dead naturally to call maithatha/dead.. Anything dead naturally or unnatural they are dead animals... Aren't they? But slaughter is different and once slaughtered they are not dead but slaughtered.. Yes literally dead but huge difference..

Thank you..

Note flesh even in English has meaning for other than meat of animal.. But.. God's forbidden foods all concerned with animal except probably fourth item which could be even crops etc and definitely animals as well..

[Nom_de_plume]

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I found this interesting meaning in Lane...

If one takes it as diseased flesh or rotten or stinking flesh why it could be wrong according to wording? But why it could be wrong taking it flesh of swine is well? But what in fact God commanded? Needs to explore...

‎2173 ولحم and flesh الخنزىر the swine

cannot be an adjective ie the rotten – if a noun is definite the adjective has to be definite

[Mazhar]

‎2173 ولحم and flesh الخنزىر the swine

cannot be an adjective ie the rotten – if a noun is definite the adjective has to be definite

It is Possessive Phrase (Not adjectival)

4.4 Visual recognition of Possessive Phrases

(i) The noun that is possessed comes first and is called مُضَاف meaning "additive", "attached", "annexed", "appendix";

(ii) The first Noun of a Possessive Phrase neither has ٱل/ ٱلْ in the beginning nor has ــًــٍــٌ tanwīn at the end.

(iii)The first Noun of a Possessive Phrase is never apparently a Definite Noun; Proper Noun or a noun made definite by using definite article. It will derive definiteness from the second Noun of Phrase if that is Definite; Proper Noun or definite with article ٱل/ ٱلْ.

(iv) The first noun, whatever its grammatical state ـَـِـُ may be, which is determined by external factors like بـِ preposition, it will always render the second noun in the genitive case.

(v) The noun that is the possessor comes second/after, and is called مُضَاف إلَيْه; it can be proper noun, definite noun, pronoun; or indefinite noun.

(vi) The Second Noun of a Possessive Phrase is always in Genitive Case .

[jkhan]

It is Possessive Phrase (Not adjectival)

4.4 Visual recognition of Possessive Phrases

(i) The noun that is possessed comes first and is called مُضَاف meaning "additive", "attached", "annexed", "appendix";

(ii) The first Noun of a Possessive Phrase neither has ٱل/ ٱلْ in the beginning nor has ــًــٍــٌ tanwīn at the end.

(iii)The first Noun of a Possessive Phrase is never apparently a Definite Noun; Proper Noun or a noun made definite by using definite article. It will derive definiteness from the second Noun of Phrase if that is Definite; Proper Noun or definite with article ٱل/ ٱلْ.

(iv) The first noun, whatever its grammatical state ـَـِـُ may be, which is determined by external factors like بـِ preposition, it will always render the second noun in the genitive case.

(v) The noun that is the possessor comes second/after, and is called مُضَاف إلَيْه; it can be proper noun, definite noun, pronoun; or indefinite noun.

(vi) The Second Noun of a Possessive Phrase is always in Genitive Case .

Salam everyone. ...

God is so specific and amazing in His book and never can go wrong unless we get it wrong..

In 6145 simply mentioned Laham Khinzeer.. No AL/The added to Khinzeer.. In rest of the verses He added AL..
And 6145 is the only place where God additionally explains about Laham khinzeer and He explains it is Rijsz/impure.. You don't find this clause in other verses..

So why to take it noun only while it can be taken as
"Flesh of diseased /rotton animals which is impure"

If God said in other verses like this
"Flesh of THE diseased / rotton animals which is impure " I don't think it is right. No need to make it definite while saying it is impure..
But God makes it define while saying without the clause "which is impure"

Forbidden for you 'Flesh of THE diseased animal' ... correct..

So anyone who realized that the flesh is from THE diseased / rotton animal then avoid.. It has to be definite..

It is not an issue of adjective here..

Now replace all what I said of Diseased / rotton (words) with Pork or THE pork and see which one would make more sense to you in your understanding ?

Thanks
*** Guidance of Allah is THE guidance ***

[Nom_de_plume]

Salam everyone. ...

God is so specific and amazing in His book and never can go wrong unless we get it wrong..

In 6145 simply mentioned Laham Khinzeer.. No AL/The added to Khinzeer.. In rest of the verses He added AL..
And 6145 is the only place where God additionally explains about Laham khinzeer and He explains it is Rijsz/impure.. You don't find this clause in other verses..

So why to take it noun only while it can be taken as
"Flesh of diseased /rotton animals which is impure"

If God said in other verses like this
"Flesh of THE diseased / rotton animals which is impure " I don't think it is right. No need to make it definite while saying it is impure..
But God makes it define while saying without the clause "which is impure"

Forbidden for you 'Flesh of THE diseased animal' ... correct..

So anyone who realized that the flesh is from THE diseased / rotton animal then avoid.. It has to be definite..

It is not an issue of adjective here..

Now replace all what I said of Diseased / rotton (words) with Pork or THE pork and see which one would make more sense to you in your understanding ?

Thanks
*** Guidance of Allah is THE guidance ***

seafood any kind any part eg skin, bones etc.

‎1614 وهو and he الذى the one سخر subjugate البحر the sea لتاكلوا to thou eat ye of منه from it
‎لحما flesh of طرىا tender of

• "لحما" (lahman) is a noun meaning "meat."
• "طرىا" (tardhiyyan) is an adjective meaning "tender."

2173 53 16115
‎والدم and the blood ولحم and flesh الخنزىر the swine

2173 Wa Ad-Dama Wa Laĥma Al-Khinzīri
53 Wa Ad-Damu Wa Laĥmu Al-Khinzīri
16115 Wa Ad-Dama Wa Laĥma Al-Khinzīri

Above refers to swine blood, not the blood of any animal, as there is always blood present in all meats. Above prohibits the blood in pig meat and all swine products, as the blood cells are permeated in the skin, bones, and every organ.

To clarify for others perusing this site who are unfamiliar — In Arabic when a noun is definite (has "al-" prefix or determined by context), the accompanying adjective must also be definite. This means that if the noun is definite, the adjective must be definite as well.

Hence it is incorrect to say "flesh the rotten" as it violates the Arabic rule that requires the adjective to be definite when the noun is definite.

6145
‎ او or دما blood of مسفوحا poured forth of
(ie the flowing blood of any animal)
‎او or لحم flesh خنزىر swine

6145
‘Aw Damāan Masfūĥāan
'Aw Laĥma Khinzīrin

In the phrase "او لحم خنزير"
or “لحم" (lahm) is a noun, specifically referring to "meat." "خنزير" (khanzeer) is also a noun, meaning "pig" or "swine."

Arabic root word for "خنزير" (khinzir) is خ ن ز (kh-n-z). This root word is primarily associated with the meaning of "pig" or "swine." Different words derived from this root can convey different aspects or variations of the concept of a pig, such as

•   خَنْزَرَةٌ (khanzarah) Referring to a young piglet or a pig in its early stages.
  

•   مُخَنَّثٌ (mukhannath) Referring to a castrated or emasculated male pig.
  

•   خَنَّازِيرُ الْبَحْرِ (khannazir al-bahr) Referring to marine animals such as dolphins or porpoises. This term is used metaphorically to describe these animals as "sea pigs" due to their physical resemblance to land pigs.
  

It's important to note that the Arabic language, like any other language, has a rich vocabulary with various derived words and nuances. Context and cross-referencing are essential for better understanding. It is important not to make assumptions or infer words that are not present. Instructions regarding what to eat or not, whom to marry, how to divide inheritance, and similar matters are clear directives and not metaphors.

Peace!