Issue with Salat/ prayer
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correction
wakas didnt choose anything he claimed whats there in Book called Quran in a catagorised way.
1 salat ul fajar ( Time sala)
2 salat ul isha ( Time sala )3 Al salwat ul wusta (cetral/markazi salawat).
people who are adding more to it mean they are choosing more salwat with their own wish.
i m sorry i have to change my thinking as per the clear picture of your learning skills.
you need atleast TEN years undertanding what wakas is saying in all of his articles linking one thing to another, why you putting a burden in ur head what u cant handle? do pity urself and ur brain if its not understanding a simple case. just undertand what work u can get from brain like making pakoras or samosas something like that,whoever gave u advice of researching is ur enemy and it already done you over rotfl
I wonder why the tail comes out first before the head... Yes.. It's the habit of those who hang on... Forgetting where they hang...
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Peace to all
Are these not classes of night?
Dark Night
Layl muzliman the dark night 10/27Night
Layl the night 11/81, 15/65Peace...
Of course night has stages of darkness... Don't you see it naturally... Not only night has stages but night differs season to season and even within a month... If full moon there it is not a dark night.... But still night.... When the first twilight is over I mean civil twilight... You can see the darkness trying to cover the brightness.... At the dawn the opposite... Every moment it brightens..... When the civil light of dawn. Appeared... There is no sign of night... Even you see the sun rise or not... Or a cloudy day...
Breaking fast based on the assumption of sun set is always tricky.... You will never know unless you have the horizon.... But no need to bother to breakfast at night. When civil light over... Simply you need assistance of artificial light Evey moment you pass on -
Its a pity that Allah did not give clear timing and other details for the most important ritual in His last communication to the mankind. He left it open for poor humans to argue, debate and find their own ways of performing the ritual. bravo bravo bravo
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Its a pity that Allah did not give clear timing and other details for the most important ritual in His last communication to the mankind. He left it open for poor humans to argue, debate and find their own ways of performing the ritual. bravo bravo bravo
Peace Everyone
this particular reply is for those who ask for clear indications of everything... First of all God created this world and didn't put a signature on the sky ... Creator of this is GOD... everything is left for the human and Jinn to research ... salat verses are clearly indicated or not is left with the search and if anyone is screened behind it without being able to perceive... that's unfortunate...
God created animals and told us it is lawful with some exception... Did God explain us saying you should eat by cooking, baking, steaming frying... That's option and preference with god gifted knowledge...
So God's preference in everything is to research and find out the truth ... That's why this peculiar book itself entirely different to all human made books which are straightforward complying with the topic...But God's book is almost like hilarious if one read it first time... it won't take you with one mind set... the taste of it only could be grasped by those who reads it again and again... Any book in my life which i have read is only once and never tried to read it again... but God's book how many times i read, i feel like i never read it before...
There is no point by any believer who claim that God has not unfortunately explained this and that... if explained then that's it .. if not explained then that is not part of book...
This is a common message and not personal to anyone.. but to all who wants more from the book while book is detailed... -
Example of fake ?example? rotfl
God created animals and told us it is lawful with some exception... Did God explain us saying you should eat by cooking, baking, steaming frying...
so you trying to say therez nothing mention about cooking of animals?
it showing ur knowledge is more weaker then i expected.here u go.
do u remember when abraham bring the ?roasted calf ? for malaika hmm yes eat
i just cant stop rotfl when i read ur full post when u said u read it many times ? haha oh my gosh ok did u see now the book of god is saying u same thing i.e lack of care while reading the book or lack of understanding.
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Example of fake ?example? rotfl
so you trying to say therez nothing mention about cooking of animals?
it showing ur knowledge is more weaker then i expected.here u go.
do u remember when abraham bring the ?roasted calf ? for malaika hmm yes eat
i just cant stop rotfl when i read ur full post when u said u read it many times ? haha oh my gosh ok did u see now the book of god is saying u same thing i.e lack of care while reading the book or lack of understanding.
Man....
Ibrahim's roasted calf is his own preference .... and not law of God.. he would roast it or bake it... No need instructions.... How people found out the tree of fire .. all by experiment and they found out to roast or broth ... just simply use your wits..
your knowledge is so weak with your arrogance and adamant approach in only targeting people like me... your history is such a worse when i read waqas's last link... just you have been doing this with people for ages... they all looked innocent.... I don't blame waqas.. but you are hidden inside his cloth whether he is right or wrong... I appreciate waqas at the same time i criticize him... coz i am looking for truth and not important who waqas is but what he says is in line with quran or not is what is important... till doubt clears i will challenge any such people... if they get out of my questions and neglect by sticking only to one thing that shows there is something wrong in the mentality be it waqas or any one.. no chance of adhering to scholars blindly... but you are such a toy... dancing to the tune of your icons ... ...
Just i thought i can be friendly with you by seeing your post few weeks back... but you are someone loving in being arrogant and insulting others .... just scroll and see how many people you keep doing this with... sheer self pride... God bless you at least before your death... arrogance and pride is only for the Creator of everything... -
arrogance and pride is only for the Creator of everything...
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may God give u peace in heart.
i decide not to continue debate with you at this point of thinking. u ll never see any advice and critical point from my side again. have a nice life. -
When Allah gives commands in His detailed book it is like this
6151-152
Say come I recite you what is haram for you
That do not associate with Him anything
and with parents be good
and do not kill your children for poverty, we provide you and them
Do not go near the "fawahisha" whether apparent or hidden
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and do not kill anyone except with the truth, Allah has made it haram, this is advised to you may be you could save yourself.
and do not go near the belongings of orphans except for what is good untill they reach maturity
and give your weight and measure with justice..........
and when you say something then do justice even if someone is near
and fulfil your contract with Allah
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this is advised to you , may be you remember it.
So commands are clear and anyone can follow them which is doing salat and giving growth and purity to society.
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handshake
may God give u peace in heart.
i decide not to continue debate with you at this point of thinking. u ll never see any advice and critical point from my side again. have a nice life.Peace...
that's a relief.... i am not bothered you reply or not... but i will always learn from anyone.. even from you...
At least be stick to what you said "I decide not to continue debate with you .." Thank you.. that will definitely help to preserve each and every topics and thread abide to its value... whenever you reply to me is only spoiling the whole thing... going far from the topic and keep mocking...Why ARROGANCE is highlighted.... can't God be arrogant... definitely He is unless u don't know the meaning of arrogance..
Arrogance Having or revealing sense of one's own importance or capacities.
God can do what He likes.. we are not to ask why... God can destroy anything... if you spent entire life to build a house and he can destroy it with a whirlwind or hurricane... regardless why it was done.. God knows what he does... He can send anyone astray and can guide anyone... no one can ask why...
He can tell i created everything and call us slave and to make sujud to him...
He destroy all effort of people to grow things and destroy since they didn't say In Sha Allah...
He deserve any kind of quality of behavior.. we are not in a position to question... meantime He is not equal to anyone's kindness..God is unique...
Wish you won't disturb any other the same way you disturbed me which gave no meaning to any of the member for the purpose they are in the forum....
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Peace...
Of course night has stages of darkness... Don't you see it naturally... Not only night has stages but night differs season to season and even within a month... If full moon there it is not a dark night.... But still night.... When the first twilight is over I mean civil twilight... You can see the darkness trying to cover the brightness.... At the dawn the opposite... Every moment it brightens..... When the civil light of dawn. Appeared... There is no sign of night... Even you see the sun rise or not... Or a cloudy day...
Breaking fast based on the assumption of sun set is always tricky.... You will never know unless you have the horizon.... But no need to bother to breakfast at night. When civil light over... Simply you need assistance of artificial light Evey moment you pass onSalam jkhan
If civil twilight after sunset is part of nahar then HA in 91/4 is not referring to the sun because it is was already covered during nahar.
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Peace jkhan.
Now you are just arguing your case with no reason.
Brother Mahdi does it in his threads and you are following his example.
End of replies from me here on the sun ,day and night.
Thank you.
GOD bless you.
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Just claiming without complete research and presentation is escape from topic...
See the fallacy clearly with TWO ENDS OF NAHAR(Day)
NAHAR (Day) = complete PRESENCE of Sun
LAIL (Night) = complete ABSENCE of sun
that's what you guys saying by verses 911-4 all these timeSee how it goes wrong with two ends of nahar...
One End = sunrise (day reveals IT (SUN)
other End = Sunset (Night covers IT (SUN)how come it is TWO ENDS OF NAHAR???
you are going offline from your own definition day and night ...are you guys insane.....
How can you call when sun is absent from vision as NAHAR...
what is two ends dudes..?
My explanation can be understood even by who has no knowledge of two ends of nahar..Just workout the basic before prove anything... Or remain blinded...
Simply neglected two ends with nonsense ..thats obvious...
Then two ENDS of Night is beyond explanation to these ignorants... laugh
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See the hilarious part of waqas and GL here..
When sun sets for GL magrib prayer and for waqas Isha prayer... But for both quran guides sunset is nightAnd the other side... But for both before sunrise Fajr prayer... No contradiction here..
Waqas took two ends to sunrise and sunset so does GL... Funny thing is...
11114 waqas took as two prayers and to GL three prayers... If GL can agree during Fajr with waqas what went wrong for him after sunset? I think after sunset twilight is special.. LolTwo ends for both of you is sunrise and sunset meanwhile....
For one end two salat and to other end one Salat....
That's really really funny...
Are there two Fajr brother GL?
I mean just before sunrise and also well before sunrise in darkness... That's how you worked out after sunset by having two prayers .. Is that what 11114 say...You can play around with verses but what you practice is nonsense.... Not make any sense..
What's wrong with your intellect guys...There should be some consistency... Right... Coz in 11114 wazulafan minal Lail is common for both ends.. rotfl
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Topic here is Salat though day and night is key for performing it....
So let's Note this tricky phenomena as well......
God says in 11114 to establish Salat at the two Ends of the Nahar (nahar) but/and nearness form the night...
Anyone can simply say three Salat by this verse is far from reality.... Two is perfect... But one can claim four Salat if he take (WA zulafa minal Lail) to be separate.... But if taken separate it should be applied to both ends...both ends have night. Not only after sunset... Three is ridiculous.. Away from absolute truth... Simply hadith based...Okay.. Other point is...
They have taken two Ends of Nahar as we know as Sunrise and sunset...
Interestingly, they say (specially waqas) that starting point for isha is Sunset based on the verse ENDS OF NAHAR and the end point till the afterglow is around....God said to establish at TWO ENDS....
so one end starting point taken sunset... Other end starting point should be????? What?... That should be sunrise... you can't change starting point away from sunrise. That's pathetic..... Simply pathetic.... But is that what they do? Starting point for Fajr they take well before sunrise... And making the sun rise as end point... For isha starting point is sunset and end point twilights end...
Simply away from instructions of Quran... God doesn't give any starting point... Just giving indication of two twilights and saying nearness to those two twilights from the side of night.... Just simple as it is....Now let's turn to GL....
His starting point at one end is sunset... And another starting point after twilight...
Then at Fajr... His starting point is twilight and end point is sunrise...
Simply ignorant of the ignorant judging from no where.. But talking like expert with grammar and closing the chapter like convinced all...Only intelligent ones will give a thought to what I have written and biased one will never ponder
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Peace jkhan.
Your understanding and my understanding are different.
You are assuming that is what I understand without discussing it with me!!! How come?
How do you know what I understand until I give you my take on it?
GOD bless you.
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Peace khan.
I am afraid your level of understanding Qoran gives the language a restriction and you think you have a point
Here is my understanding.Aquimi Salat--Notice how this is one singular salat at a time .
Tarafay Al Nahar.- Taraf can mean near and end of- Fajr is near one end which is the beginning of the day and Maghrib is the other Taraf, near the end of the day.
Hence they are not part of what defines the day .i.e sunrise and sunset.Remember people s day can also be different than the one defined in Qoran. For example my day can start at dawn or even an hour before -When I get up/start work- and ends when I finish it can be 6/7 at night.
Or different people have different times for their day. That does not mean the day defined in Qoran is wrong!!!
GOD bless you.
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11114 to establish Salat at the two Ends of the Nahar (nahar)
3127 arafan (a part/portion) of the ones reject they of
11114 arafayi (parts/portions two) l-nahri/the daytime -
Peace Noon.
It does not say "Tarafayi Mina Al Nahar" . The example you gave has "Mina" which gives the meaning of inclusion."Tarafayi Al Nahar" are proximities of boundary ,it does not have to include/be part of Nahar,but at proximity to from both ends. The beguinning and end of the day. i.e near both ends of the day.
GOD bless you.
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peace GL and Noon,
this root (ta -ra- fa) is quite interesting and quite technical upon using as per quranic grammer.
i have noted very interesting thing about this root when applied by wrong concept of undertanding i ll try explain it in the end.
(Taraf) its a direction/sides pointing towards something at its borders/edges/ends can be used as DUAL ends like a thing only two ends like a crisp/choclate ends of packing.
it can b used a plural form for having more than 2 ends/edges/borders like borders of some countries, border/edges of page.
and at one verse root use it as indefinate noun what i want to discuss.(3127)
3127 if we interpret it the way of cutting/blocking the borders lines of enemies/opponents instead of cutting them in (parts) make more sense and less barbarianism.
and one more thing attached with this root another meanings like a GRAZE/eyesight
when we use a word (taraf)
automatically eye look towards the direction where somebody pointed us with the help of his hands. the eyes have a direction towards the ends/edges/borders of something.in case of the hoors (eyesight/looking/glance) will look at the direction towrds your eyes.
btw the word in verse of salat used DUAL form (ends/edges/sides/parts/portions/sections)
example (sides/ways)of road in dual carrige way. day and night working on same pattern.
we can also say two sides of one picture.my two cents