Why did God make most people's destiny Hell
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Then, when they met a young boy and the man killed him, Moses said, "How could you kill an innocent person? He has not killed anyone! What a terrible thing to do!" (1874)
So what is good and evil?
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Then, when they met a young boy and the man killed him, Moses said, "How could you kill an innocent person? He has not killed anyone! What a terrible thing to do!" (1874)
So what is good and evil?
So Allah destroyed innocent children in tsunami...
So samr question...
So what is good and evil...?
Is Allah evil? -
whether you choose to see it as a play or not, the fact remains that 1. God knows the future 2. humans have free will
This is a fact from Quran so no argument.
God knows who's going to Heaven and Hell and it's already recorded in a book according to the Qur'an...but just because it's already recorded (and known to God), doesn't mean that God didn't give humans a choice of how they are going to behave/ which actions and intentions they will take... but the fact remains that whatever a human wills by his/ her own free will is also within God's will as well since He is the ultimate writer of the story.
Red part not supported by Quran in my humble understanding.
Whatever a human wills by his/her own free will has the outcome as per God's will i.e. HIs Law.
God has made laws for every action. We can choose our path or our action but its result will be as per His Law. We cannot change the results of our chosen action. I have the choice to put my hand in a fire or not. If I choose to put my hand in fire it will burn because I cannot change God's Law. That is the destiny of my action.
God makes mention of the fact that He could have guided everyone...I just wonder why the reality is that most are not and will not be guided...
Because guidance is given to those who desire it. No compulsion in "Deen" and God is just.
God bless you.
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Peace
I'm just wondering, God gave us free will, most people choose things like wrong beliefs, following traditions/ ancestors' beliefs, arrogance, ignorance and putting this life before the next life or simply disbelieving etc.
'We have offered the trust to the heavens, the earth and the mountains, but they refused to carry it and were afraid of it while the human being accepted it; he was transgressing, ignorant.' 3372
So we were once alive before we were on earth (from what I understand) and we accepted 'the trust' which I understand to be the chance to be tested on earth (I may be wrong)...
So things happened in the previous life (that we have forgotten about) and maybe that's why God made it most humans' destiny to go to Hell?
And maybe the ones that are going to Heaven have that destiny and God willed for them to use their free will to be righteous because they deserve it because of their previous life?
These are just my thoughts...obviously I know people go to Heaven/ Hell based on their actions in this life but why does God choose for some people to go astray/ to take the wrong actions...there must be a deeper lesson in this maybe?
Peace Sarah, you touch on a subject I have thought about many times.
Allah created something that only man volunteered to bore. The key
is as you have stated is 3372. What was that thing that we accepted
that the "the heavens, the earth and the mountains, refused"?
Was it free will? Was it consciousness? Was it knowledge of good and evil?
What was it? hmm -
Hot and cold... which is evil and good? >
So Allah destroyed innocent children in tsunami...
Shown by their arrogance in the land (Law of Nature) and evil plotting (Ecological Disorder). But evil plotting (Ecological Disorder) envelops only (THE TSUNAMI on) those who do it. Do they expect anything but the pattern of previous peoples? You will never encounter an alternative for sunnatullah. You will never find an alteration in the sunnatullah! (3543)
Allah does not harm mankind in any way, but men do harm themselves. (10.44)
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If God wanted to create an utopic world where people will be laying down eating the best food, drinking the best wine and enjoying the company of their perfect spouse, then God could have done so from the beginning and everyone is going to be happy, for ever.
In fact, most people judge the quality of life by the amount of pleasure/peace/safety/healthiness etc and therefore see all that is opposed to that as misfortune. But is it really ? What if pleasure and pain had the same impact on us ? one simply drive you towards it and the other drives you away from it. Wealthiness and poverty, one entices you and the other grosses you out. Does it mean you should seek it ? or that you should avoid it ? There is a deeper side of us that can grow out of these illusions that come to us through our senses. We must learn to see things with the eye of the eye and hear them with the ear of the ear.
Also, the purpose of life. I believe the purpose of life is like a blacksmith at work, in how he takes raw material, puts it under great heat, hammers it and forges it to become something useful.
Just another perspective and more food for thought to you.
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the best metaphors for human in afterlife are...
Wine vs music
food vs hooor
pillows vs cushions made up of silk
Gold vs silver plated layers
he/she will have what he/she will wish.all sound so good at our current situation.
giving a picture what we need/required in this life we will get it hereafter. the valueable things of this life is un-valueable in next life as it appears (things are in plantey).
so logically THIS life must give us pain/stress/sad/fear.
our emotions will get raped here
our feelings will get killed here
our wishes become death notices here.
our efforts will turn in to waste.our food,livestock,empire,family all what we have is on loan and risk.
just a few moments in life we see a glimpse of next life.( happiness time is short comapre to sadness)?
why atleast there is a glimpse of four moonlight nights in full dark month?
so that we can beleive in happiness and eternal happiness?
so that we can feel what is the value of being happy?
so that we can understand life is not life hereafter?NOTE even after knowing this human is thinking wish God made life the way human wanted. (utopic world) ?
things are going like this way
it appear to us life is cruel ( we accept it)
it appear to us lifehereafter is bliss ( we accept it)why we accept it ? why we want to accept it?
its like a toy progtamming life appears miserable to that toy and lifehereafter sound good in his mind.i think the brain will get evolve like evolution in next life what will make things happy.
what is our future ?
we know whatever rewards we will get one day is coming the nature go back to nature. when there is only the face of God will left (ch 55).like there was only a face of god once?
whats point of getting rewards when we know God always take things what become beloved to human like family/money etc.
will he also gona take ur paradise one day ?
if he want to take it therez nobody who can stop him ? ( remember the story of adam) lmao.he takes things from us without NOTICE atleast my landlord gives me notice of four weeks before he want me to empty his property but now i undertsnad why becoz the things belong to him,his things,thats why he dnt need to give notice for what he already owned. he owned us.
if everything eventually end whats the point of being happy when we know its only God who can live forever.
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thats how HONESTY works
if i know i have faulty mobile/laptop/etc.
i will not sale it, only if i tell the fault to the person then i can sale it.
if i sale it and not tell the fault of mobile its mean i tricked the buyer.( haram earning)author of Quran tell a story in which God tricked human being accepting what is stupidity according to God.
1 God know the fault what he was offering
2 God disnt tell the faults of trust to human
3 God represtent in front of human attractive offer knowing hez stupid and he will accept faulty thing.
4 human being is tricked and our creator is telling we are stupid we accepted it ?
5 if he told us faults did we still accepted it ? yes becoz he already decided to create you dnt forget he is creator and u r creation. on other words he made u select that choice hahaha.is there is anybody who can trial God ?
i wana file a case in universal court against God hahaha
devil will gona fight the case?on the other hand God is risk free no lawyer can prove him wrong hez is supreme lawyer and supreme judge
what we will do this God is giving me headache now what should we do ? how to make ourself secured?
NOTE These all some questions and debates what athiests bring in their claims.so b ready if they approach you i sometimes dnt have answers as i feel they are asking logical things actually.
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Logically,if the story is true, you should win your case brother Imran.
And If the devil takes up your case ,then all the lawyers will side with him as well.(Lawyers should end up with the devil in the hereafter they charge too much!) You cannot loose.Unless the devil backs off because-Akhafu Allah Rabba Al Alameen- Frightened of GOD?
Or you got the story of Qoran completely wrong and you have no case. Case dismissed ?
GOD bless you.
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thats how HONESTY works
if i know i have faulty mobile/laptop/etc.
i will not sale it, only if i tell the fault to the person then i can sale it.
if i sale it and not tell the fault of mobile its mean i tricked the buyer.( haram earning)author of Quran tell a story in which God tricked human being accepting what is stupidity according to God.
1 God know the fault what he was offering
2 God disnt tell the faults of trust to human
3 God represtent in front of human attractive offer knowing hez stupid and he will accept faulty thing.
4 human being is tricked and our creator is telling we are stupid we accepted it ?
5 if he told us faults did we still accepted it ? yes becoz he already decided to create you dnt forget he is creator and u r creation. on other words he made u select that choice hahaha.is there is anybody who can trial God ?
i wana file a case in universal court against God hahaha
devil will gona fight the case?on the other hand God is risk free no lawyer can prove him wrong hez is supreme lawyer and supreme judge
what we will do this God is giving me headache now what should we do ? how to make ourself secured?
NOTE These all some questions and debates what athiests bring in their claims.so b ready if they approach you i sometimes dnt have answers as i feel they are asking logical things actually.
Yes God knows the fault, but he also knows how well human, say the vehicle could fare, so rewards after adjusting the faults. God knows best, judge ourselves not others.
we know we are not alone, we come from something and we end up into something, Inbetween we get hold of some resources to perfom and try contribute whatever we have in whatever form to the rest. Our pride our ego and greed will be shattered for sure if we are not thankful enough.
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suddenly you're complaining about free will ...
then why not hear and obey the Sunnatullah? >D
author of Quran tell a story in which God tricked human being accepting what is stupidity according to God.
wrong...
He taught Adam the names/validity of all things. (231)
and then..
• When your Lord took out all their descendants from the loins of the children of Adam and made them testify against themselves "Am I not your LordLaw?" they said, "We testify that indeed You are! " Lest you say on the Day of Rising, "We knew nothing of this." (7172)
Allah does not harm mankind in any way, but men do harm themselves. (10.44)
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Yes God knows the fault,
we know we are not alone, we come from something and we end up into something, Inbetween we get hold of some resources to perfom and try contribute whatever we have in whatever form to the rest. Our pride our ego and greed will be shattered for sure if we are not thankful enough.
he already knows everything and he also knows most of the creation will end up in hell.
at this stage an intelligent being can think why doing all this drama ?
thanking for what bro ?
thanking for not selecting our time and space?thanks for the country where i never wanted to born?
thanks for the family what i never wanted to have?
thanks for the risky time when i have no idea i will take second breath?
thanks for what ?on the other hand life is curse
we have to struggle for food ?
we have to struggle for job?
we have to struggle for relations depend on job and food?
we have to struggle on the things what we want to do?
we have to struggle in selecting favourite god/s ?
we have to struggle for what we earn from robbers in shape of different ways.i e gov bodies robbed u as tax and civil bodies rob u as they like may b they kill u while robing?and still our a*** are at risk ?
why this f****** risk when i never wanted to accept ?i m a result of pairing same like everybody else here.
we been created designed destined by the one who is controlling all of this.and now hez is giving us choices. select white or black, select haram or halal, select zoja or ma malakat, select medical or computer ?
do we really have choice or it appears to us we have made a choice?its like a kid who think he beats the champion in chess game while champion give a curtousy to kid losing from him to make him happy. thats how we been played by life.
whatever is going on atleast i will not thanks on other hand i will fight for my right. even after knowing fight will not harm God atleast?
what if all creation turned against god ?
how come mountains knows the trick of God and they refused the offer ?
it must be unlucky day for homosaphien who turned into homosexin.how God is feeling now he is sucfessful for preparing a confirm ROAST of many disbelievers as well as beleivers ?
all those movies in which we see the charcaters like saw/hannibal etc its a glimpse of pain and its just a trailer think about hell a place we never can imagine more horrible yhings than ?saw? movie.?
after knowing all this i have a choice left just one choice.
accept his highness. otherwise horrible things will b waiting for me.
its called service by fear same like a slave is in fear from his master if he disnt act according to his lord he can get killed.but we will not get killed once out skins get refresh once they fully burn.
do we have to love such a creator or do we have to pretend loving him due to fear ?
but inside our heart and mind we really wana hate him for the situation he puts us in ?
becoz he already knows whats inside our hearts.we cant pretend anything.
we are definately going to face it.now see how miserable is our reality.
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accordingly. ...
We said, "Go down from here as enemies to each other!" (236)
Fighting is made mandatory for you, but you dislike it. You may not like something which, in fact, is for your good and something that you may love, in fact, may be evil. God knows, but you do not know. (2216)
You who have iman! do not take any outside yourselves as intimates. They will do anything to harm you. They love what causes you distress. Hatred has appeared out of their mouths, but what their breasts hide is far worse. We have made the Signs clear to you if you use your intellect. (311
"No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices." - Edward R. Murrow
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Logically,if the story is true, you should win your case brother Imran.
And If the devil takes up your case ,then all the lawyers will side with him as well.(Lawyers should end up with the devil in the hereafter they charge too much!) You cannot loose.Unless the devil backs off because-Akhafu Allah Rabba Al Alameen- Frightened of GOD?
Or you got the story of Qoran completely wrong and you have no case. Case dismissed ?
GOD bless you.
Peace.its same like your in the presence of king and saying him to trial the king.
we know the result anyway.
king will get us killed with a package of torture.the king is human his torture will b humanly. ( imperfect torture) one time
the God is god his torture will be Godly ( perfect torture). on a repeating loop.he also know where he hit us so that we can feel pain he keep doing it since the dawn of humankind.
the things we LOVE he takes it away.
the things we HATE he bring those things infront of us. -
It is NOT LOVE
IF IT KILLS our planet and all life on it. >D
Therefore Insanity.
Allah has given you love of iman/common sense and made it pleasing to your hearts, and has made kufr, deviance and disobedience (to the Sunnatullah, ie. insanity) hateful to you. People such as these are rightly guided. (497)
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suddenly you're complaining about free will ...
then why not hear and obey the Sunnatullah? >D
wrong...
He taught Adam the names/validity of all things. (231)
and then..
• When your Lord took out all their descendants from the loins of the children of Adam and made them testify against themselves "Am I not your LordLaw?" they said, "We testify that indeed You are! " Lest you say on the Day of Rising, "We knew nothing of this." (7172)
Allah does not harm mankind in any way, but men do harm themselves. (10.44)
incase of your God
energised computer SIRI
taught adam all things .but the one who was operating SIRI who was he? energy is not at fault its lifeless and emotionless.
energy will do and act according to the law of creator.
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Did Allah made everything known to you before signing The Contract?
thats how HONESTY works
if i know i have faulty mobile/laptop/etc.
i will not sale it, only if i tell the fault to the person then i can sale it.
if i sale it and not tell the fault of mobile its mean i tricked the buyer.( haram earning)When your Lord took out all their descendants from the loins of the children of Adam and made them testify against themselves "Am I not your LordLaw?" they said, "We testify that indeed You are! " Lest you say on the Day of Rising, "We knew nothing of this." (7172)
suddenly you're complaining about free will (is faulty mobile/laptop/etc)... <-- THE BUYER
then why not hear and obey the Sunnatullah? >D
But you cannot will, unless Allah wills. (7630)
(Free will is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure.)
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Message for the OP
its better to make the ids on girls name rather than boys lol.
btw i give ur thread a light asking all those questions whats required for ur thread.its not my questions although i keep thinking about all those questions imposed by athiests and its like unsolves physics problems. we have unsolved religious problems. its matter of philosplhy becoz me tou any anybody/ anybook is just a theory.
universal God is fair
universal true God is love
universal true God give us surprise what will turn our sadness into happiness.and herez the thing what making a confusion in universal God vs god of people?
God is just he will punish those who did bad things with people. if he didnt do it how come a victim of rape will feel satisfied in paradise?loop is coming back to God again why he created a MESS(human) at first place?
controllers asked it before.
he knows what we dunt know. (answer so far) -
Then why not the syahadat?
• No GOD
• Only ENERGY
Because
He who created the seven heavens in layers. You will not find any flaw in the creation/Energy of the All-Merciful. Look again — do you see any gaps? (673)
So what went wrong? rotfl
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Man vs. Techonology
Man vs. Aliens
Man vs. ...
Man vs. ...If the truth were to follow their whims and desires (FREE WILL), the heavens and the earth and everyone in them would have been brought to ruin. No indeed! We have given them their Reminder, but they have turned away from it. (2371)