Has anyone on here ever met another quran only believer in real life
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Peace Imran.
I have read all the posts . I get what they say, what you say and what Jafar says..My question to you is still standing . Who do you think authored Qoran(Any version you believe it is Qoran)?
Jafar gave us his view that human/s have written/copied/authored Qoran. I asked him to elaborate on/show his evidence.You have not given an answer.. That is fine if you clarify you do not want to say!.
GOD bless you
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peace brother mazhar,
there is another group who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God = AGNOSTIC
they are different than atheist who totally reject GOD.also there are sub-groups like some branches of shia islam consider ali as God
some early groups who consider sun/moon/sirius as a GOD..
some believe force of nature is GOD...
some tribal groups have their own God like maya civilisation
movie Apocalypto is interesting to watch about the traditions what they have about their GOD/s.
even some of them believe TIME as god..Salam,,
I obtained information only from Qur'an.
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Salam,,
I obtained information only from Qur'an.
But there is lot of information outside the quran too ..(before and after)
Also author said about showing the signs in horizon and within themselves continously in future.And interestingly whats about the verse regarding the LORD of sirius its definately in quran. U missed the sirius worshippers lol
@ GL congratulations now u can see the posts and also use your brain to understand those posts and think bout all those posts where u failed in understanding.
As i predicted u did hatrick of doging question sorry bro i cant help u more,
On other words i m not expert in teaching the thick minds lmao best of luck and are u still eating almonds its good for brain remember two yrs ago i suggest you about it. Thats the only help i can do so that u understand the posts of people as well as your own posts.
Happy eid to all forum group
Btw its eid u already heard jafar answer
Have my answer as eidi lol...Here is mine for YOU
(Answer) the version in which GL believe is definately by human called khalifa.
He hijacked someone else work and edit that work a bit by holy code
He put his name on brackets in some of the verses that addressed to someone else.Evidence can be checked by anybody who have access to the latest copy by messenger khalifa
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And interestingly whats about the verse regarding the LORD of sirius its definately in quran. U missed the sirius worshippers lol
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Rabb and Ilaha are two distinct concepts.
None calls his god as Rabb. Only Allah the Exalted is referred as Rabb of all that exists.
Only Pharoah claimed to be rabb of his subjects.
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Rabb and Ilaha are two distinct concepts.
So the catagories what i bring dnt have any place in hell prison ?
And second catagory monothiest whats their status ?
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The Classification of Human beings with reference to the Concept of God as mentioned in Divine Discourse are as follows
- Atheists; those who consider and believe not in the existence of http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.133/2.%20Ilaha%20Alif%20Laam%20Haa/9.gif God;
- Monotheists; those who believe in the existence of solitary http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.133/2.%20Ilaha%20Alif%20Laam%20Haa/9.gif i.e. http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00002.%20Allah/Ilaha%20wahid.gif ; The Solitary God, the One Who maintains Singularity;
- Dualists (Dualism-Zoroaster); those who believe in the existence of http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.133/2.%20Ilaha%20Alif%20Laam%20Haa/11.gif two Gods;
- Trinity; those who believe in the concept of Trinity - three Gods;
- Those who say Easa (alahissalam) son of Maryam the truthful is but Allah (the God)
- Polytheists; those who believe in the existence of http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.133/2.%20Ilaha%20Alif%20Laam%20Haa/6.gif many Gods.
- Those who adopt self-indulgences—desire - vested interest - passion - hypothetical conjectures as his iela'aha god.
Likewise there are 7 apartments of Hell Prison allocated each for a separate identity.
If I may, I think you should be more careful in your comments about who will go to hell or not.
God is the only judge.
Go to paradise is according to two criteria
Indeed, Those who had faith, those who became jews and the Christians and the Sabians, whoever had faith in Allah and the Last Day AND performed good deeds(fertile solidarity actions), for them their reward is with their responsible of evolution; and no fear on them, and not they will grieve.There is obviously here a lack of historical knowledge about the concept of the trinity and the inter-religious environment at the beginning of the 7th century in Arabia.
To understand the Qur'an's approach to this problem it requires taking into account the complex religious situation of seventh-century Arabia(1) Trinity is not 3 gods.
The definition of the Trinity according to post-Chalcedonian Christianity (We thus understand the definition of the Trinity common to the Church of Rome, the Orthodox Church, the Patriarchate of Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem.)
This concept of the Trinity is not a tritheism, but a single, consubstantial Trinity or Tri-Unity, unambiguously stated as follows "We let us not confess three gods, but one God in three persons"(Definition established at the Second Ecumenical Council of Constantinople in 553.) and God and the Son and the Holy Spirit are three hypostases of one and the same divine entity God as a unique essence without change, without division and without separation.(2) Critical of the concept of Trinity (and not a sentence in hell!)
If we naturally excludes verses improperly put into play by Islam-religion, when they concerned only the condemnation of certain Christian heresies, only one Qur'anic verse is really devoted to the question of the Trinity
"O People of the Writing! Do not commit excess in your faith and say of God only the true In truth, the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary is a messenger of God, and His Word which He conveyed to Maryam and a Spirit from Him. So have faith in God and His messengers and do not say, "(There are) Three"! Abstain, (it is) better for you, Only Allah is God one. Glory be to Him (His Transcendence) ! He can have no son! To him what is in Heaven and on Earth, and God is sufficient as guarantor! (4171).But the Quran strongly rejected a number of trinities of Christian heresies present at the time in Arabia (monophysism, tritheism, pseudo-collyridian tritheism, essentially ..)
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Hell Prison is made for whom?
اأُعِدَّتْ لِلْـكَـٟفِرِينَ.224٢٤
This Heated Hell-Prison has been prepared for those who are the disavowers- non-believers.
وَٱلَّذِينَ كَفَـروا۟ وَكَذَّبُوا۟ بِـَٔايَٟتِنَآ
And those who would have disavowed and publicly contradicted Our Aa'ya'at verbal communications (passages of the Divine Book) —
ذہن نشین کر لو کہ وہ لوگ جنہوں نے انکارکر دیا اور ہماری پہنچائی گئی آیتوں کو لوگوں کے سامنے برملا جھٹلادیا
أُو۟لَـٟٓئِكَ أَصْحَـٟـبُ ٱلنَّارِۖ
They are the people who will be the resident inmates of scorching Hell-Prison —
تو یہی ہیں وہ لوگ جو زندان جہنم میں رہنے والے ہوں گے۔
هُـمْ فِيـهَا خَٟلِدُونَ.239٣٩
They will abide therein permanently.
Some of them
لَقَدْ كَفَـرَ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓا۟
Indeed those people have denounced faith-allegiance who said
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ هُوَ ٱلْمَسِيحُ ٱبْنُ مَـرْيَـمَۖ
"Allah is indeed he who is Al-Maseiha, the son of Maryam."
لَّقَدْ كَفَـرَ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓا۟ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ ثَالِثُ ثَلَٟثَـةٛۘ
Indeed those people denounced faith-allegiance who had said "It is certain that Allah is third entity in the trinity."
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If I may, I think you should be more careful in your comments about who will go to hell or not.
God is the only judge.
Go to paradise is according to two criteria
Indeed, Those who had faith, those who became jews and the Christians and the Sabians, whoever had faith in Allah and the Last Day AND performed good deeds(fertile solidarity actions), for them their reward is with their responsible of evolution; and no fear on them, and not they will grieve.There is obviously here a lack of historical knowledge about the concept of the trinity and the inter-religious environment at the beginning of the 7th century in Arabia.
To understand the Qur'an's approach to this problem it requires taking into account the complex religious situation of seventh-century Arabia(1) Trinity is not 3 gods.
The definition of the Trinity according to post-Chalcedonian Christianity (We thus understand the definition of the Trinity common to the Church of Rome, the Orthodox Church, the Patriarchate of Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem.)
This concept of the Trinity is not a tritheism, but a single, consubstantial Trinity or Tri-Unity, unambiguously stated as follows "We let us not confess three gods, but one God in three persons"(Definition established at the Second Ecumenical Council of Constantinople in 553.) and God and the Son and the Holy Spirit are three hypostases of one and the same divine entity God as a unique essence without change, without division and without separation.(2) Critical of the concept of Trinity (and not a sentence in hell!)
If we naturally excludes verses improperly put into play by Islam-religion, when they concerned only the condemnation of certain Christian heresies, only one Qur'anic verse is really devoted to the question of the Trinity
"O People of the Writing! Do not commit excess in your faith and say of God only the true In truth, the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary is a messenger of God, and His Word which He conveyed to Maryam and a Spirit from Him. So have faith in God and His messengers and do not say, "(There are) Three"! Abstain, (it is) better for you, Only Allah is God one. Glory be to Him (His Transcendence) ! He can have no son! To him what is in Heaven and on Earth, and God is sufficient as guarantor! (4171).But the Quran strongly rejected a number of trinities of Christian heresies present at the time in Arabia (monophysism, tritheism, pseudo-collyridian tritheism, essentially ..)
وَإِنَّ جَهَنَّـمَ لَمَوْعِدُهُـمْ أَجْـمَعِيـنَ .1543٤٣
And certainly, Hell-Prison is of course the promised abode for them, yes for them all such people.
لَـهَا سَبْعَةُ أَبْوَٟبٛ
Seven gates are made for entrance therein (Hell-prison).
لِـكُلِّ بَابٛ مِّنْـهُـمْ جُزْءٚ مَّقْسُومٌ .1544٤٤
A group of them is earmarked for each of the gates."
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So the catagories what i bring dnt have any place in hell prison ?
And second catagory monothiest whats their status ?
يَـٰٓأَيُّـهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟
O those/you who proclaim to have accepted-become believers, listen;
قُوٓا۟ أَنفُسَكُـمْ وَأَهْلِيكُـمْ نَارٙا
You people guard yourselves and your household against heated Hell-Prison —
وَقُودُهَا ٱلنَّاسُ وَٱلْحِـجَارَةُ
This Heated Hell-Prison is who's "Fuel"- charred-affected by it are the People and the Stones.
عَلَيْـهَا مَلَٟٓئِكَـةٌ غِلَاظٚ شِدَادٚ
Stern and severe Angels perform duty as Warders upon her (Hell-Prison).
لَّا يَعْصُونَ ٱللَّهَ مَآ أَمَـرَهُـمْ
They (Angels=Warders) disobey not the word of Allah the Exalted which He had ordered them.
وَيَفْعَلُونَ مَا يُؤْمَرُونَ .6606٦
And they keep performing originally what they are commanded.
يَوْمَ يَأْتِـى بَعْضُ ءَايَٟتِ رَبِّكَ
The fact is that the day some unprecedented displays - signs of your Sustainer Lord reaches them
لَا يَنفَعُ نَفْسٙا إِيمَٟنُـهَا لَمْ تَكُنْ ءَامَنَتْ مِن قَبْلُ
The believing of a person will not benefit him who had not believed in timeline prior to it.
أَوْ كَسَبَتْ فِـىٓ إِيمَٟنِـهَا خَيْـرٙاۗ
Or that apparently believing person will not yield benefit on that day who earned nothing good in his belief.
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Timeline of TRINITY
SUN GOD MOON GODESS REBORN sun
Father GOD mother GOD GODs sonBABYLON NIMROD SEMIRAMIS TAMMUZ
EGYPT RA ISIS HORUS
GREECE ZEUS ARTEMIS ADONIS
ROME JUPITER DIANNA APOLLO
NORDIC ODIN JORO THOR
HINDU VISHNU CHANDRA KRISHNA
ROMAN CATHOLOIC GOD VIRGIN MARY JESUS
LUCIFERIAN LUCIFER GODEES DIANA ANTICHRIST -
Timeline of TRINITY
SUN GOD MOON GODESS REBORN sun
Father GOD mother GOD GODs sonROMAN CATHOLOIC GOD VIRGIN MARY JESUS
Ask a ROMAN CATHOLIC about their faith and look at his reaction.
Look at here (Not complete but a first idea about Chistological divergences) https//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianisme
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Ask a ROMAN CATHOLIC about their faith and look at his reaction.
his reaction will be same when you tell a coder that code got a flaw
or when u tell shia the concept of 5 pure bodies ( muhammad, ali, fatima, hassan hussain)
or when u tell the followers of aisha about the war what she fought against ali
or when u tell sunni about bukhari and company and legends in it got things what does not make sense.
or when u tell hindu about a monkey God hanuman
or when u tell XYZ about a faith what they inherited from their society XYZ...as jafar said its very difficult to go against the flow of river/sea to swim,(going against "illogical inheritance" by controlling factor of fear).. its indeed a difficult task to overcome..
on the other hand with the flow of water everybody can swim and think thats the only swimming method by master swimmer,
but saving a life in opposite direction of river/sea fighting with the opposition of waves is something worth pondering and we give those people names like legends and heroes... after that people start worship those heroes and heres the idol worship started...
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his reaction will be same when you tell a coder that code got a flaw
or when u tell shia the concept of 5 pure bodies ( muhammad, ali, fatima, hassan hussain)
or when u tell the followers of aisha about the war what she fought against ali
or when u tell sunni about bukhari and company and legends in it got things what does not make sense.
or when u tell hindu about a monkey God hanuman
or when u tell XYZ about a faith what they inherited from their society XYZ...as jafar said its very difficult to go against the flow of river/sea to swim,(going against "illogical inheritance" by controlling factor of fear).. its indeed a difficult task to overcome..
on the other hand with the flow of water everybody can swim and think thats the only swimming method by master swimmer,
but saving a life in opposite direction of river/sea fighting with the opposition of waves is something worth pondering and we give those people names like legends and heroes... after that people start worship those heroes and heres the idol worship started...
Yes, as Jafar said, your speech make sense...This is Ibliss attitude (someone centered on himself and his certainties who refuses to evolve) with whom we must to fight it all the time (me first).
But, I just want to rectify a Truth Trinity is not tritheism (we must to make the difference if we like the Truth).
Tritheism is the belief that cosmic divinity is composed of three equally and DISTINCT powerful entities (as you have well summary in your table).What you described is one of many heresies of the Christian religion around the 6 and 7th century. (Hypothesis = collyridians catholic sect ? or something like that..https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collyridianism)
From The Monotheist Group (The Quran A Monotheist Translation)
(5116) And God will say "O Jesus, son of Mary, did you tell the people to take you and your mother as gods other than God?" He said "Glory to you, I cannot say what I have no right of. If I had said it then You know it, You know what is in my self while I do not know what is in Your self. You are the Knower of the unseen." => i titled that like this "Condemnation of pseudo-collyridian tritheism"I know it is hard for us to understand the Trinity creed..But they really believe in ONE god, in 3 expressions. That's why God invites them to stop their theological speculation which create disorder (others speculations How many people were into the cave ? or Does Issa is really died on the cross and how ? etc..A Lesson for us too...)...Instead of being focus on the essentials have faith (put your trust, be loyalty) in one god and the hereafter SO THAT (wa) you do good deeds (solidarity between people whatever their beliefs).
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Quran only believer, or Hadeeth and Quran believer, do not make much difference, those who says, your belief is yours and mine is mine and everyone of our source of Goodness is from the same God. Those are real muslims and i would like to meet and be closer to them.
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O those/you who proclaim to have accepted-become believers, listen;
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Or that apparently believing person will not yield benefit on that day who earned nothing good in his belief.brother mazhar nothing in your post covering what i actually ask..
whats the status of the ones who believe in one God (mono) cat 2 of your chart ? u already make them hell prisoners police
why other KINDS/TYPES are missing example agnostic as we know they exist ?just give us idea in your own words.no need to find verses..
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Peace Imran.
Is this your answer to my question? quoteHere is mine for YOU
(Answer) the version in which GL believe is definately by human called khalifa.
He hijacked someone else work and edit that work a bit by holy code
He put his name on brackets in some of the verses that addressed to someone else.Evidence can be checked by anybody who have access to the latest copy by messenger khalifa.
It seems you misunderstand my question.. I have not asked you about anything to do with what I believe. Why would I ask you about things I believe in?
I have asked you about the Qoran you use/believe in... The one you quote in your posts in your discussions.. Who do you think authored it?I am asking you your view about your belief on Qoran. How can I be dodging this question ? Am I asking myself this question?
You are supposed to answer this question if you want to, not me!!!GOD bless you.
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It seems you misunderstand my question.. I have not asked you about anything to do with what I believe. Why would I ask you about things I believe in?
then why are you asking things what i believe in ?
I have asked you about the Qoran you use/believe in... The one you quote in your posts in your discussions.. Who do you think authored it?
it does not matter to those who dont believe in what i believe in same thing what jafar said, i also said you to read previous posts its ok if u want to hear the same answers from me..
I am asking you your view about your belief on Qoran. How can I be dodging this question ? Am I asking myself this question?
You are supposed to answer this question if you want to, not me!!!
why i suppose to answer this question when i already know it DOES not matter to you or any XYZ what i believe in..
but lets move a bit further..
i tried sending you that video in which u possibly get lot of answers but unfortunately u did not think critically ...
lets do it again...
first of all see what believe is ?
believe is what we think is truth...
we believe on it when we know its TRUTH
how we know its truth ?moreover ,
whatever in which i believe in forget about books as we know all books written by humans ...
lets TALK bout creator/God..
believer (me, you, jaffar) all believe he exist do we have any evidence ?
atheist he also believe no God exist do he have any evidence ?what i tried telling you in my post 28 but my badluck you suddenly take defensive position on a circular argument instead of looking at the flaw of what i tried telling you from last couple of years..
how easy it was for athiest to stump EDIP becoz he was proving the existence of God through faulty code ..although if he use other arguments like i just said in my post it will be a fruitful debate...
see again ...
how you can prove GOD ? any evidence (NO)
how you can prove there is no GOD ? any evidence (NO)thats our hunt for proving/believing anything so skip the quran/bible/code think on a broader picture by zooming out..
your argument make us think you are proving the existence of God to atheist through IDOL eg (code,quran,veda,bible,krishna,hanuman,budda,marduk,etc)
do we KNOW what we BELIEVE ?
i HOPE you understand now as i feeling going on holidays from forum so lets pray you now get what we on (BIG OFFTOPIC) lol
GOD bless you
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Peace Imran.
I am asking you about something concrete. A book that exist and you seem to use ,called Qoran.. What do you think about its contents? Do you think a human authored it?Who ? Nothing as complicated as you are making.Instead of answering direct, you are going around in circles. Can you not see that talking around this specific question is a diversion and irrelevant?
Of course you have the choice to do as you please, including to choose not to answer, but the bottom line is that the question remains unanswered.
Or do I take this quote from you as answer?whatever in which i believe in forget about books as we know all books written by humans …
Then my point is simply that statements need to be evidenced. Each book will have its author with it. If not ,then either a search will find an author or it remains unknown and the contents studied for more analysis..
What does your search about Qoran provide? Where is the evidence?.... .
My question to you was specific and independent of let s talk about GOD s existence or any other subject.
So who missed the point?
GOD bless you.
Peace.