janna of Quran... & Janna of Buddha teachings
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If you are asking those questions then you also need to aks if the Day of Resurrection is real. According to Qur'an it is. But most Buddhist wont believe in it. Modern Buddhism has more traditions then any other faith because they have not a central Scripture. Only Documented oral narrations by Monks - comparable to Talmud or the Hadith. But still there are Traditions, mainly in Tibetian Buddhism, which believe in Shamballa as a real place and a King abiding there which is comparable to this
(54) Those of prudent fear will be among gardens and rivers (55) In a seat of truth before an omnipotent sovereign. - Chapter 54
The other thing is, during the Reign of Genghis Khan and the Mongols a religious Freedom was established in central Asia and throughout the conquered areas of the Mongols and Tatars. Since then people adopted some of other believes into their own. So now we have Monks with abrahamic or hindu influence. Today mainstream Buddhism is doing the same only that its adopting modern Doctrines and paradigms. Thats why the believe in Shamballa as a real physical place is gone. But still tibetian Buddhism believes in a place called Shamballa like other believe systems. This place is actually the main aspect which connects all of the faiths of the world.
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They cannot prove "ENERGY (consciousness) can be destroyed",
Therefore bad argument / delusional - both/all. laugh
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If you are asking those questions then you also need to aks if the Day of Resurrection is real. According to Qur'an it is. But most Buddhist wont believe in it. Modern Buddhism has more traditions then any other faith because they have not a central Scripture. Only Documented oral narrations by Monks - comparable to Talmud or the Hadith. But still there are Traditions, mainly in Tibetian Buddhism, which believe in Shamballa as a real place and a King abiding there which is comparable to this
(54) Those of prudent fear will be among gardens and rivers (55) In a seat of truth before an omnipotent
sovereign. - Chapter 54The other thing is, during the Reign of Genghis Khan and the Mongols a religious Freedom was established in central Asia and throughout the conquered areas of the Mongols and Tatars. Since then people adopted some of other believes into their own. So now we have Monks with abrahamic or hindu influence. Today mainstream Buddhism is doing the same only that its adopting modern Doctrines and paradigms. Thats why the believe in Shamballa as a real physical place is gone. But still tibetian Buddhism believes in a place called Shamballa like other believe systems. This place is actually the main aspect which connects all of the faiths of the world.
Excellent quincy....
But I know there will be people who have different view as well... Let's see...
What about the foods brought from Janna or the verse it says that neither coldness not extreme heat is in Janna...
That's not culture... But in their most preserved Theravada budhists books says that there is no such place called Janna... Have you heard ever about Sadhaguru, he also publicly preach in USA and people have very supportive opinions...
Anyhow let's see it in the light of Quran....
Thank you and more verses or even clues in support of your claim is welcome..
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Yes and I'm referring to this..
The best a human can achieve is to completely terminate the real person without being born again (example Buddha) ...
What is real person?
What is "real"ITY?
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Yes and I'm referring to this..
What is real person?
What is "real"ITY?
In fact no one can prove anything... That's for sure... We all believe and believe with intent...
According to them Body + Energy + soul (real character) ....that character get enlightened...
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our only existence is consciousness, "light upon light"
AND WHEREAS from the Quran and Physics (Time is an illusion), heaven and hell already in existence...
531 As the star collapsed (DIE BEFORE DEATH / STATE OF ENLIGHTENMENT)
532 Your friend was not astray, nor was he deceived.
533 Nor does he speak from personal desire.
534 It is a divine inspiration.
535 He has been taught by One mighty in power (LordLaw of Nature).536 Free from any defect, he became stable (COMPLETE ENLIGHTENMENT).
537 While he was at the highest horizon.
538 Then he drew nearer by moving down.
539 Until he became as near as two bow-lengths or nearer.
5310 He then conveyed the inspiration to His servant what was to be revealed.
5311 THE HEART did not invent what it SAW.
5312 Do you doubt him in what he (the Heart) saw
5313 And indeed, he (the Heart) saw him in another descent.
5314 At the ultimate point.
5315 Near it is the eternal Paradise.
5316 The whole place was overwhelmed.
5317 The eyes (HEART) did not waver, nor go blind.
5318 He (HEART) has seen from the great signs of his LordLaw (of Mathematical Patterns).https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610505.0
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I'm saying the only reality is "consciousness" of Allah (Energy) ..
This is real
It is the only reality.
لآ اِلَهَ اِلّا اللّهُ
in many forms, ie. "light (energy) upon light (energy)"... ~ rainbows.
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I'm saying the only reality is "consciousness" of Allah (Energy) ..
This is real
It is the only reality.
لآ اِلَهَ اِلّا اللّهُ
in many forms, ie. "light (energy) upon light (energy)"... rainbows.
So you mean to say that there is no physical place called Janna or even Jahanna..
Is that what you mean by saying Allah is Only reality...other things what He created is unreal... But just temptationSay in black and white.. That would help...
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Of course, there is only the "light upon light" (consciousness) we call as Heaven and Hell...
Proof?
This reality... your life.
What can be proven as real?
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This Sadhaguru who is encouraging Budhist philosophy is saying after death there us no Body and No energy but only Soul... So what is the use of having all the attractions ehe we don't have a body.... All the intelligent American people seated clapping... lol... That's what budhist say as well... But quran says this body the one decayed will be resurrected even the finger tips... Isn't that for a physical Janna?
The skin of those disblievers will be replaced anew to taste the fire.. Isn't it that real? -
This Sadhaguru who is encouraging Budhist philosophy is saying after death there us no Body and No energy but only Soul...
Obviously he doesn't understand Physics (reality), therefore.. .delusional (not reaching Enlightenment).
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We can see by Quranic verses Malaika in fact talk with the person while he or she does.. But we don't see the body or energy functions.. It means malaika in fact talk with soul or rather nafs... It shows nafs can speak without the assistance of body and energy...
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The Quranic version of human being
Two elements
ORIGINALLY (TWO ELEMENTS)
• Body (carrier, matter) - Earth
• Ruh (spirit, energy, consciousness) - Allah
We have created mankind in the best form. (954)
ONLY THEN soul brought into mankind
• Soul (Qareen, delusion) - Shaytan
embedded into human being because Adam listened to Iblees, and the community of Adam cut down the trees in heaven.
Then We returned him to the lowest of the low (Shaytan, Qareen.. on birth). (955)
see? their theory about mankind is wrong... and self-contradicting.
ORIGINALLY (TWO ELEMENTS)
1527 We created the jinn before out of the fire of a searing wind.
1528 When your Lord said to the angels, ´I am creating a human being out of dried clay formed from fetid black mud
1529 When I have formed him (MATTER) and breathed My Ruh (ENERGY) into him, fall down in prostration in front of him!´
1530 Then the angels prostrated/SHIRK all together, every one of them —
1531 except Iblis "the ALLAH ALONE WORSHIPPER". He disdained to be one of the prostrators.
(nothing in here mention about "SOUL"
THEN Soul, after Adam listened to Iblees.
ENLIGHTENMENT/TAWBATAN NASOOHAN Then Adam received some words from his Lord and He turned towards him. He is the Ever-Returning, the Most Merciful. (237)
ELSE, destined for Hell...from birth.
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Salam!
Do you mean by means something real compared with the unreal?
Aren't there examples of (female mosquito), plants and other objects in Quran? I do not take everything as a parable.
Janna is something promised by Allah and no one can change His Words.Peace!
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This Sadhaguru who is encouraging Budhist philosophy
I listened to some of his views. My opinion He is another paid shill from the royal class. Like Zakir Naik and all the other clowns. Then there is this Osho who doesnt even realize that he speaks in paradoxes. If you want to listen to true Buddhists you need to go to Tibet.
Peace.
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Salam!
Do you mean by means something real compared with the unreal?
Aren't there examples of (female mosquito), plants and other objects in Quran? I do not take everything as a parable.
Janna is something promised by Allah and no one can change His Words.Peace!
Peace...
Sad part is most of the people make the Janna simply as parable and make it beyond imagination based on QURAN.... Quran simply explains to understand it how it is but they even negate the basic of it and just claim Janna is beyond our knowledge... But whatever knowledge given in QURAN about Janna we can deduce to certain extent... They are not parables but real... As you say God has promised it and we perceive it... -
I listened to some of his views. My opinion He is another paid shill from the royal class. Like Zakir Naik and all the other clowns. Then there is this Osho who doesnt even realize that he speaks in paradoxes. If you want to listen to true Buddhists you need to go to Tibet.
Peace.
Paid ones are hypocrites.... They only shake their toung with knowledge of course.. They are not fools... Buy their wisdom has no use... They didn't use it for their salvation but for petty prices and image in the society.... That's shame...
Like zakir this Guru also has innumerable followers sadly most of them literate highly.... Coz illiterate don't understand their philosophy....