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Aidid Safar's translation of verse 5:3

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    faraazmh
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    Salaamun Alaikum fellow believers

    My name is Faraaz, I'm a new member. Thanks for your time.

    I have a topic i would like to put forward to the community. It is in relation to verse 53 and in particular the translation of Aidid Safar on this verse which is as follows

    ?Restricted to you are the meat from the animals that die of themselves, blood, decaying meat(note 17) , and food
    dedicated to other than God. Also, the animal that has been strangled to death, the animal struck by an
    object, the animal that dies from falling from a height, the animal that is gored to death, the animal
    that is partially eaten by a predator unless you have rescued it alive, the food dedicated to idols and meat
    divided by means of casting lots. These are abominations. Today, the disbelievers are in despair
    about your deen. Do not fear them and fear Me instead. Today, I have perfected the deen for you
    and completed My favour upon you, and I decree Islam as the deen for you. (53)?

    His notes read as follows

    ?17 The word Khin literally means rotten, stink or bad ? Ziri means that you see.
    Khinziri does not refer to swine ? a livestock that is part of God?s provisions to
    mankind (51 & 6142). It is obvious the prohibition is limited to the nature and
    condition of the food ? not the species of animals. It is illogical to imagine that
    God in His wisdom created swine and allows it to be domesticated and then
    prohibits its meat. Wildlife hunting is permitted ? wild boars are not mentioned
    as prohibited game. In 560 God uses the word kh-na-zi-ro to signify stinking as
    the state of condition of a person ? but religionists say humans can become pigs.?

    So my question to the community is, what are your thoughts on this, could it be that we were duped into believing that the flesh of swine is forbidden for us or is it the correct translation that the flesh of swine is forbidden?

    Peace to everyone.
    Faraaz

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      Noon_waalqalami
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      His notes read as follows

      ?17 The word Khin literally means rotten, stink or bad ? Ziri means that you see.
      Khinziri does not refer to swine ? a livestock that is part of God?s provisions to
      mankind (51 & 6142). It is obvious the prohibition is limited to the nature and
      condition of the food ? not the species of animals. It is illogical to imagine that
      God in His wisdom created swine and allows it to be domesticated and then
      prohibits its meat. Wildlife hunting is permitted ? wild boars are not mentioned
      as prohibited game. In 560 God uses the word kh-na-zi-ro to signify stinking as
      the state of condition of a person ? but religionists say humans can become pigs.?

      So my question to the community is, what are your thoughts on this, could it be that we were duped into believing that the flesh of swine is forbidden for us or is it the correct translation that the flesh of swine is forbidden?

      peace -- translator is illiterate; read everything ever written back then/now never find one example.

      incorrect missing and flesh (noun) the stinky (adjective)

      53 and flesh l-khinziri/the swine (cannot be adjective!)

      always "the noun" "the adjective" (definite noun, definite adjective)

      https//softarabic.com/arabic-grammar-adjectives-in-arabic/

      examples...

      the path the straight
      the bounty the major
      the thread the white
      the thread the black
      the provision the righteous
      the life the world
      the devil the accursed
      the success the major
      the depth the lowest
      the house the prohibition
      the names the beautiful

      and the ideology the prohibition
      and the connection the middle
      and the horses the branded
      and the neighbor the far
      and the day the afterlife/last
      and the country the clean/pure
      and the home the afterlife its

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        imrankhawaja
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        peace and welcome brother faraz,

        thats how you will solve it.
        the ARABIC word used for PIG in spoken language or in literal material like ( news,articles ) ?

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          TellMeTheTruth
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          peace -- translator is illiterate; read everything ever written back then/now never find one example.

          incorrect missing and flesh (noun) the stinky (adjective)

          53 and flesh l-khinziri/the swine (cannot be adjective!)

          always "the noun" "the adjective" (definite noun, definite adjective)

          https//softarabic.com/arabic-grammar-adjectives-in-arabic/

          examples...

          the path the straight
          the bounty the major
          the thread the white
          the thread the black
          the provision the righteous
          the life the world
          the devil the accursed
          the success the major
          the depth the lowest
          the house the prohibition
          the names the beautiful

          and the ideology the prohibition
          and the connection the middle
          and the horses the branded
          and the neighbor the far
          and the day the afterlife/last
          and the country the clean/pure
          and the home the afterlife its

          Salam Brother Noon!

          = The Dead
          There is nothing to translate as dead by itself or already dead
          See 3633.
          Please guide. Thanks!

          Peace!

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            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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            "Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education ." - Bertrand Russell

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              Noon_waalqalami
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              = The Dead
              There is nothing to translate as dead by itself or already dead
              See 3633.

              peace ?
              53 prohibit it upon you the lifeless (noun)

              3633 and sign for them the land the lifeless (adjective)

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                Wakas
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                See https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610488.msg421771#msg421771

                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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