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Semitic Rhetoric and the Organisation of the QURAN

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    Mazhar
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    Salam bro,

    Sorry but what do you expect of me ? Can i have more explanations.

    Peace

    I am only trying to bring home to you that a great book does not leave things for the reader to decide any aspect about it. Composition, rhetoric is some thing basic about a book, how it could be missed in the most exalted book? Do reflect on the point.

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      Iyyaka
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      I am only trying to bring home to you that a great book does not leave things for the reader to decide any aspect about it. Composition, rhetoric is some thing basic about a book, how it could be missed in the most exalted book? Do reflect on the point.

      Have a look at my "general comment" in this post https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610597.0
      Peace

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        Mazhar
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        Have a look at my "general comment" in this post https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610597.0
        Peace

        Okay, leave it, point is not getting through at the moment.

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          Salam everyone,

          Today i would like to make a focus on the The role of the center (X = concentrism figure).

          I put on this forum 2 examples with ayat 2240 and ayat 37103 where the center plays 2 kinds of roles

          ----- 1) "Transition between 2 parts" like in -----

          -> the first sentence is the conclusion of the first part and the second sentence is the introduction of the second part

          A -
          "My Master, grant me from among the upright."
          We gave him the glad tidings of a shrewd boy.
          B -
          When (Arabic falamma) he was old enough to actively help his father,
          He said "O my son, I am seeing in a dream that I am sacrificing you.
          Take the time to think and tell me how you see this vision.
          He said, "O my father, do what is ordained to you.
          You will find me, God willing, one of the steadfast.
          X -
          when (Arabic falamma) both of them had abandonned,

          and HE (Arabic Tallahu) heaped it to the forehead,
          B -
          We called him, "O Abraham!
          You have realized the vision well.
          This is how We reward the beneficent.
          This was an explicit test.
          We rewarded him with a sacrifice beyond measure
          By perpetuated it to the after.
          Peace over Abraham.
          Thus We reward the beneficent.
          HE (Arabic Innahu) was of Our believing servants.
          A-
          We gave him the glad tidings of Isaac,
          a prophet among the upright.

          => And this group (B - X - B&#039 begins with the condition in phycial/psychological maturity (Arabic sa'ya) to be a potential "believing (part 1) servant (part 2)"
          and this group (B - X - B&#039 ends with the diploma of being a "believing (part 1) servant (part 2)"
          and inside the begin and the end of this group God explains you How to become a "believing (part 1) servant (part 2)"

          More details => https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610608.0

          ----- 2) "the center introduces a new idea " like in -----

          -> Even if you "remove" the center (x) the speech remains fluid and coherent.

          (A) God will certainly defend those who have faith.
          (B) God, indeed, does not like the traitor (1) filled with ingratitude. (2) (a)
          Permission is granted to those who are fought because they suffered injustice. (b)
          (C&#146 God, indeed, is able to make them victorious.

          (D) - To those who have been expelled from their homes, (a)
          Outside all right, (x)
          Only because they said, "God is our Master."(a&#146

          (X) - If God did not repel some people by others,

          (D&#146 - hermitages (or places of retreat) would be demolished,(a)
          as well as places of trade (or markets / trade), (x)
          and the bonds of solidarity (support) (x)
          and the places of obedient listening (or submission) - where the name of God is abundantly mentioned.(a&#146

          (C&#146 - God, indeed, gives victory to those who support him because God certainly holds Strength and power.
          (B&#146 - To those who, if We establish them in the land exploitation, establish the Salat (1&#146
          and give the Zak?t (2&#146, (a)
          And Order the adequate and forbid the blameworthy. (b)
          (A&#146 - To God returns the final decision.

          More details => https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610597.0

          ----- Conclusion -----

          In conclusion, Center of concentrism figures can play others roles like Question etc...If God consents we can experiment it through other examples

          Peace be upon u

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            Mazhar
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            when (Arabic falamma) both of them had abandonned,

            What they had abandoned?

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              What they had abandoned?

              Sorry for my poor English. it means "accept / consent / acquiese / subjected to Something (here consent the mission promoted by god)"

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                Mazhar
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                http// When (Arabic falamma) he was old enough to actively help his father,

                For "when" Arabic is only Lamma; not Falamma. What to do with FA.

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                  http// When (Arabic falamma) he was old enough to actively help his father,

                  For "when" Arabic is only Lamma; not Falamma. What to do with FA.

                  Yes you're right thanks to correct my translation = Then when...

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                    "My Master, grant me from among the upright."

                    It is a meaningless sentence.

                    Master means a man in charge of an organization or group.

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                      It is a meaningless sentence.

                      Master means a man in charge of an organization or group.

                      It is not the subject of this post but i quote the definition from Muhammad ASAD that i found good
                      "
                      The Arabic expression rabb - rendered by me as "Sustainer" - embraces a wide complex of meanings not easily expressed by a single term in another language. It comprises the ideas of having a just claim to the possession of anything and, consequently,
                      authority over it, as well as of rearing, sustaining and fostering anything from its Inception to its final completion. Thus, the head of a family is called rabb ad-dar ("master of the house&quot because he has authority over it and is responsible for its maintenance; similarly, his wife
                      is called rabbat ad-dar ("mistress of the house&quot.
                      "
                      => For me Master in English is the word which is closest to the Arabic meaning. (Cf. 2 qualities of Rabb in surah 55.)

                      A bonus by means of letters meaning Ra-Ba-Ba

                      • RA = Repetition
                      • Ba = House, block with an idea of protection
                        => Repetition of protection, to care and take care, responsible of evolution of something, physical as spiritualy (From the root R-B-B you have also the idea of educator, education, farming..)

                      So finally another good translation could be "Responsible of evolution"...

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