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Diacritic marks -vowels of text of Qur'an.

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    Mazhar
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    Proclamation of Allah the Exalted Qur?n is rendered facilitative for learning and comprehension by its transcription in Arabic the language of our guide lord Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam, and sons of soil of Arabian Peninsula.

    http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/019.%20Maryam%20Siddiqa/19.97.gif

    Thereby, for reason of its universality and permanence, Our Majesty have certainly rendered it (Qur?n) easy, open and facilitator for reading and comprehension by transcribing it in the mother tongue Arabic language of you Muhammad .

    http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/028.%20Al%20Qasas/28.46b.gif

    The purpose of rendering it facilitator is that people might at their own sincerely comprehend, make their selves enlightened, recall and relate it.

    A critical reader must have the habit of evaluating a statement to judge its value, quality, importance and extent. All those who spread the baseless thought presenting Qur?n as a most difficult and disorganized book for translation and comprehension seem to have never listened or read it academically and critically.

    The statement that Qur?n is rendered facilitative has the value of a claim - to say, without proof or evidence, that something is true. Since the statement is about a book which is meant for reading and comprehending, the statement will be true if the book facilitates the reader both in its reading and comprehension. This is the extent of the statement. If the critical reader finds the statement true to its extent it will obviously highlight the value, quality and importance of the book whereby he will become sincere and reverent for it.

    ......

    The first step in reading is to translate the words into speech - sound. Written forms provide no or little guide to actual pronunciation. Many of words of English language have totally different pronunciation than the sounds of alphabet of the written word. In Arabic, many words can be pronounced producing two different sounds carrying different meanings and connotations.

    Therefore, the first step in converting the Arabic text to speech - sounds is to vowelize the words. If the Arabic text is already containing the vowels it will facilitate the reader not only to easily and correctly pronounce each word but also recognize word of same consonants that produce sound of meanings different to each other.

    Imp part of the article

    Suppose a man got breaking news from the exalted Messenger and wrote it on papers as following and delivered to many people

    We can visualize how people could have reacted to him who delivered this news to them because they could not get what was the real news that whether Romans were defeated or they had defeated the other party.

    This can disclose the factually correct news only if it is written exposing the spoken sounds using vowel markers.

    We need no further evidence to refute the conjecture that Qur?n was originally written without vowel markers. The vowel markers render the Qur?n facilitator to read and understand exactly as it was spoken by the lips and tongue of our guide lord the exalted Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam.

    http//haqeeqat.pk/FacilitatorHow.htm

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      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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      Thereby, for reason of its universality and permanence, Our Majesty have certainly rendered it (Qur�ān) easy, open and facilitator for reading and comprehension by transcribing it in the mother tongue Arabic language of you Muhammad .

      I doubt you can speak Arabic, the universal language.. but

      The (arabic) language of the one they refer to is foreign, while this is a clear Arabic language. (16103)

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        I doubt you can speak Arabic, the universal language.. but

        The (arabic) language of the one they refer to is foreign, while this is a clear Arabic language. (16103)

        Haste is not a good thing. First please read the article, instead of starting slandering.

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          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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          Haste is not a good thing. First please read the article, instead of starting slandering.

          I have prove my point.

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            Mazhar
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            I doubt you can speak Arabic, the universal language.. but

            The (arabic) language of the one they refer to is foreign, while this is a clear Arabic language. (16103)

            Methods - Approaches of teaching/learning second - foreign language?learning and understanding Qur?n

            The strategy - method - approach will however depend upon the primary goal of learning a second language. The primary goal could be learning to understand the language either in reading or listening. Or the intended goal for learning a second language could be to produce it, i.e., speaking and writing.

            The experts are of the considered opinion that learning to speak and write is much more difficult than simply learning to understand. Learning to understand is easier as it requires recognition rather than the harder recall.

            Our purpose is only to acquire the skill for understanding the meanings, perception and message of Grand Qur?n. Our goal is not the learning of Arabic for communication, i.e., speaking and interaction with Arabs. Therefore, the most suitable strategy - method - approach for our goal is Grammar-Translation method, also known as classical method. Its name captures the main emphasis of this method?the study of grammatical aspects of language and the use of translation as a means of acquiring comprehension. It will enable us appreciate the all time classic Grand Qur?n in its original language.

            Dear read here to understand basic things.

            http//haqeeqat.pk/TranslationBestMethod.htm

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              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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              It will enable us appreciate the all time classic Grand Qur�ān in its original language.

              So We sent them the flood, and the locust, and the lice, and the frogs, and the blood ; all detailed signs; but they turned arrogant, they were a criminal people. (7133)

              What does this mean?

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                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                How about this verse? Can you read Arabic?

                He sends down water from the sky and river-beds fill up and flow according to their size, and the floodwater carries with it an increasing layer of scum; a similar kind of scum comes from what you heat up in the fire, when you desire to make jewellery or other things. That is how Allah depicts the true and the false. As for the scum, it is quickly swept away. But as for that which is of use to people, it remains behind in the ground. That is a metaphor which Allah has made. (1317)

                What does it mean?

                But as for those with sickness in their hearts (unnature), it (the revelation) will add doubt to their doubt, and they die kuffar. (9125)

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                  So We sent them the flood, and the locust, and the lice, and the frogs, and the blood ; all detailed signs; but they turned arrogant, they were a criminal people. (7133)

                  What does this mean?

                  Does it have any relevance to the point in question, except wasting time.

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                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                    Does it have any relevance to the point in question, except wasting time.

                    Not at all, and that's why I said you can't read Arabic.

                    • What is the metaphysics (MATH) of the Quran?

                    • What is the epistemology (E) of the Quran?

                    • What is the auxiology (ISM) of the Quran?

                    and please explain, what is the Quran in the light of these ayats?

                    What is the metaphysics of the Quran?

                    8521 Nay! It (is) a Quran Glorious,
                    8522 In a Tablet, Guarded.

                    5676 This is an oath, if only you knew, that is great.
                    5677 It is an honorable Qur'an.
                    5678 In a protected Book.
                    5679 None can grasp it except those pure.
                    5680 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
                    5681 Are you disregarding this narrative?

                    Are you going to ignore these verses?

                    Do you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in another part of it? (285)

                    ie.no iman.

                    The Arabs say, "We have iman." Say "You do not have iman." (4914)

                    but full of nonsense...

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                      Mazhar
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                      Not at all, and that's why I said you can't read Arabic.

                      and please explain, what is the Quran in the light of these ayats?

                      What is the metaphysics of the Quran?

                      8521 Nay! It (is) a Quran Glorious,
                      8522 In a Tablet, Guarded.

                      5676 This is an oath, if only you knew, that is great.
                      5677 It is an honorable Qur'an.
                      5678 In a protected Book.
                      5679 None can grasp it except those pure.
                      5680 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
                      5681 Are you disregarding this narrative?

                      Are you going to ignore these verses?

                      Do you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in another part of it? (285)

                      ie.no iman.

                      The Arabs say, "We have iman." Say "You do not have iman." (4914)

                      but full of nonsense...

                      What have you to say about the point discussed in the thread, instead of pasting translations done by people.

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                        I have prove my point...

                        5681 Are you disregarding this narrative?

                        Are you going to ignore these verses?

                        Do you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in another part of it? (285)

                        ie.no iman.

                        The Arabs say, "We have iman." Say "You do not have iman." (4914)

                        You can't read Arabic.

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                          Mazhar
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                          I have prove my point...

                          Quote from Mahdi Ibrahim on Today at 042548 AM
                          Are you going to ignore these verses?

                          Do you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in another part of it? (285)

                          ie.no iman.

                          The Arabs say, "We have iman." Say "You do not have iman." (4914)

                          You can't read Arabic.

                          Why are you bent upon exposing your pseudo-intellectualism, dear?

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                            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                            Why are you bent upon exposing your pseudo-intellectualism, dear?

                            not at all, just to find out whether you know what you're talking about..

                            here and on your website....

                            looks like you have no idea on the topic ... and merely, self-deception or cherry picking.

                            Therefore?

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                              Mazhar
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                              not at all, just to find out whether you know what you're talking about..

                              looks like you have no idea ... and merely, self-deception.

                              What a scholarly comment!

                              It is one article of a lengthy book about which you have not commented yet but think I have no idea what I have written. Perhaps you are not in habit of looking anything beyond what got locked within your brain. It is not a good sign particularly for a person who assumed himself as scholar.

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                                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                What a scholarly comment!

                                It is one article of a lengthy book about which you have not commented yet but think I have no idea what I have written. Perhaps you are not in habit of looking anything beyond what got locked within your brain. It is not a good sign particularly for a person who assumed himself as scholar.

                                That's not possible.. I'm the UNLETTERED.. .

                                Perhaps you can explain this.

                                • What is the metaphysics (MATH) of the Quran?

                                • What is the epistemology (E) of the Quran?

                                • What is the auxiology (ISM) of the Quran?

                                and please explain, what is the Quran in the light of these ayats?

                                8521 Nay! It (is) a Quran Glorious,
                                8522 In a Tablet, Guarded.

                                5676 This is an oath, if only you knew, that is great.
                                5677 It is an honorable Qur'an.
                                5678 In a protected Book.
                                5679 None can grasp it except those pure.
                                5680 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
                                5681 Are you disregarding this narrative?

                                Are you going to ignore these verses?

                                Do you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in another part of it? (285)

                                It will enable us appreciate the all time classic Grand Qur�ān in its original language.

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                                  imrankhawaja
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                                  rotfl pseudo-intellectualism

                                  what a word rotfl

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                                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                    self-deception or cherry picking.

                                    Therefore?

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      The spoiled thread recovered.

                                      Proclamation of Allah the Exalted Qur?n is rendered facilitative for learning and comprehension by its transcription in Arabic the language of our guide lord Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam, and sons of soil of Arabian Peninsula.

                                      http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/019.%20Maryam%20Siddiqa/19.97.gif

                                      Thereby, for reason of its universality and permanence, Our Majesty have certainly rendered it (Qur?n) easy, open and facilitator for reading and comprehension by transcribing it in the mother tongue Arabic language of you Muhammad .

                                      http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/028.%20Al%20Qasas/28.46b.gif

                                      The purpose of rendering it facilitator is that people might at their own sincerely comprehend, make their selves enlightened, recall and relate it.

                                      A critical reader must have the habit of evaluating a statement to judge its value, quality, importance and extent. All those who spread the baseless thought presenting Qur?n as a most difficult and disorganized book for translation and comprehension seem to have never listened or read it academically and critically.

                                      The statement that Qur?n is rendered facilitative has the value of a claim - to say, without proof or evidence, that something is true. Since the statement is about a book which is meant for reading and comprehending, the statement will be true if the book facilitates the reader both in its reading and comprehension. This is the extent of the statement. If the critical reader finds the statement true to its extent it will obviously highlight the value, quality and importance of the book whereby he will become sincere and reverent for it.

                                      ......

                                      The first step in reading is to translate the words into speech - sound. Written forms provide no or little guide to actual pronunciation. Many of words of English language have totally different pronunciation than the sounds of alphabet of the written word. In Arabic, many words can be pronounced producing two different sounds carrying different meanings and connotations.

                                      Therefore, the first step in converting the Arabic text to speech - sounds is to vowelize the words. If the Arabic text is already containing the vowels it will facilitate the reader not only to easily and correctly pronounce each word but also recognize word of same consonants that produce sound of meanings different to each other.

                                      Imp part of the article

                                      Suppose a man got breaking news from the exalted Messenger and wrote it on papers as following and delivered to many people

                                      We can visualize how people could have reacted to him who delivered this news to them because they could not get what was the real news that whether Romans were defeated or they had defeated the other party.

                                      This can disclose the factually correct news only if it is written exposing the spoken sounds using vowel markers.

                                      We need no further evidence to refute the conjecture that Qur?n was originally written without vowel markers. The vowel markers render the Qur?n facilitator to read and understand exactly as it was spoken by the lips and tongue of our guide lord the exalted Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam.

                                      http//haqeeqat.pk/FacilitatorHow.htm

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                                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                        Okay.

                                        You know well that they do not speak! (2165)

                                        haqeeqat.pk

                                        5676 This is an oath, if only you knew, that is great.
                                        5677 It is ( = ) an honorable Qur'an.

                                        Deaf, dumb, blind. They will not return. (21

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                                          Iyyaka
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                                          Okay.

                                          You know well that they do not speak! (2165)

                                          haqeeqat.pk

                                          Deaf, dumb, blind. They will not return. (21

                                          Salam bro,
                                          Sorry to say that but it is hard to understand you.

                                          How are your remarks related to the subject of this discussion? Sorry if I look silly ???

                                          NB Your picture seems so proud..Who is he ?

                                          Peace

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