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إِنَّ ٱلَّذِینَ كَفَرُوا۟ What have they disavowed?

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    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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    Which light you are you so far talking about?

    Do you know transformation of Energy? laugh

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      Mazhar
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      Forget about it what I know and what I know not. Just say energy transforms into life or life is something totally different.

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        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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        Forget about it what I know and what I know not. Just say energy transforms into life or life is something totally different.

        ahhh .. you don't know, and that's why you said Energy can be destroyed.. laugh

        Energy transforms, and that is the "light upon light" (CONSCIOUSNESS) .. .

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        However, Allah never claimed He is "light upon light".. .but

        He is the Light of EVERYTHING..

        The ONE AND ABSOLUTE LIGHT...

        That is Allah, your LordLaw, ie. the Creator (Cause & Effect, Energy) of everything. There is no LordLaw but Him � so how are you deluded? (4062)

        That is Allah, your LordLaw, There is no LordLaw but Him, ie. the Creator (Cause & Effect, Energy) of everything. So serve Him. He is responsible for everything. (6102)

        Musa said "Allah is the LordLaw (Energy) of the East and the West AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN (ie. THE ONE AND ABSOLUTE LIGHT). You would understand Allah if you USE REASON. (262

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          Mazhar
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          ahhh .. you don't know, and that's why you said Energy can be destroyed.. laugh

          Energy transforms, and that is the "light upon light" (CONSCIOUSNESS) .. .

          https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31290652_2091350211081559_1722276449504163621_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=04d14935c40d8f8c32e9126644db6ae9&oe=5CA3B46C

          However, Allah never claimed He is "light upon light".. .but

          He is the Light of EVERYTHING..

          The ONE AND ABSOLUTE LIGHT...

          That is Allah, your LordLaw, ie. the Creator (Cause & Effect, Energy) of everything. There is no LordLaw but Him � so how are you deluded? (4062)

          That is Allah, your LordLaw, There is no LordLaw but Him, ie. the Creator (Cause & Effect, Energy) of everything. So serve Him. He is responsible for everything. (6102)

          Musa said "Allah is the LordLaw (Energy) of the East and the West AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN (ie. THE ONE AND ABSOLUTE LIGHT). You would understand Allah if you USE REASON. (262

          Where did I say this that made you life?

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            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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            Where did I say this that made you life?

            What's wrong with your frontal lobe? (this always happen when people argue with the messengers) laugh

            okay, please stick to the argument or perhaps you should take time to study "basic science" on the transformation of Energy ..

            What is Allah?

            Allah is THE ONE AND ABSOLUTE LIGHT...

            The life of this world is only an illusion. (Quran 5720)

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            He made ALL (ie. transformation of Energy) gods (light/energy) same god (light/energy). (Quran 385)

            Energy, in physics is the capacity for doing work. Energy cannot be created or destroyed and it can only be conserved and converted from one form to another.

            On the One Energy (Allah) The Law of Conservation of Energy

            Verse 1121
            قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ

            The Energy is Ahad

            That is, ENERGY is Oneness. There is nothing in existence other than Energy. The One Energy has no boundary and cannot be broken down into parts or fragments. Nothing is within the micro or macro realms of existence and there is no inside or outside this One Energy.
            ​
            Verse 1122
            اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ

            The Energy is Samad

            The One Energy is whole without any void or emptiness, impermeable, nothing penetrates into it, nothing extends out from it. The One Energyhas no boundary, and if something has no boundaries, it cannot have a center! It is impossible for the One Energy to have a center. It also follows that something without a center cannot have a core or shell, an interior or exterior. So where is this (9) form of Energy be? Inside or outside this One Energy?
            ​
            Verse 1123
            لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ
            Lam yalid walam yūlad (Energy cannot be destroyed, cannot be created)

            No other form of new energy has ever originated from, but the same One Energy.

            There is no other energy. Nor was this One Energy can be created, and there is no other energy or form of existence from which this One Energy could have originated.

            The One Energy has not created another energy being (1 + 1 + ...) from this Energy (1), and no other energy being has originated into existence from the existence of the One Energy.

            It is only the manifestation of this One Energy. There is no reality but ALLAH, the ONE ENERGY.

            1 (Allah) + 0 (You) = 1 (manifestation)

            Sufi metaphysics - Wikipedia
            ​https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi_metaphysics

            Verse 1124
            وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ

            There is none known energy is like the One Energy. Nothing is equivalent to the One Energy. Everything ever existed is merely the manifestation (transformation of Energy) of this One Energy.

            But you cannot will, unless Allah wills. (Quran 7630)
            ​
            Thus whether you like or hate Allah/ENERGY, you are worshipping this One Energy every moment of your life. You and even the whole universe have no choice (The value of "0&quot. Allah is Everything/ABSOLUTE (1)!

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              Mazhar
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              //ahhh .. you don't know, and that's why you said Energy can be destroyed.. laugh//

              Mazhar Where did I say this which made you laugh?

              Mahdi answers; What's wrong with your frontal lobe? (this always happen when people argue with the messengers) laugh

              okay, please stick to the argument or perhaps you should take time to study "basic science" on the transformation of Energy ..

              I am asking does energy transform into life? Your allah is light. I am asking you which light is this?

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                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                //ahhh .. you don't know, and that's why you said Energy can be destroyed.. laugh//

                Mazhar Where did I say this which made you laugh?

                Mahdi answers; What's wrong with your frontal lobe? (this always happen when people argue with the messengers) laugh

                I am asking does energy transform into life? Your allah is light. I am asking you which light is this?

                Here it is ...

                matter/energy is void of life.

                That is terrible... ie. Energy can be destroyed.

                I am asking you which light is this?

                and why asking which light when I said ALLAH is THE LIGHT OF EVERYTHING..

                THE ONE AND ABSOLUTE LIGHT..

                Do you know the definition of Energy in Physics? laugh

                https//images.slideplayer.com/14/4490787/slides/slide_1.jpg

                ENERGY = "THE CAUSE OF ANY CHANGE"

                So which energy/light?

                See how funny is your question?

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                  Mazhar
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                  Re إِنَّ ٱلَّذِینَ كَفَرُوا۟ What have they disavowed?
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                  Quote from Mazhar on Today at 115324 AM
                  //ahhh .. you don't know, and that's why you said Energy can be destroyed.. laugh//

                  Mazhar Where did I say this which made you laugh?

                  Mahdi answers; What's wrong with your frontal lobe? (this always happen when people argue with the messengers) laugh

                  I am asking does energy transform into life? Your allah is light. I am asking you which light is this?

                  Here it is ...

                  Quote from Mazhar on Today at 110119 AM
                  matter/energy is void of life.

                  That is terrible...

                  and why asking which light when I said ALLAH is THE LIGHT OF EVERYTHING..

                  THE ONE AND ABSOLUTE LIGHT..

                  Do you know the definition of Energy in Physics? laugh

                  Now something wrong is becoming obvious in your frontal lobe. It thinks saying "matter/energy id void of life" means it is destroyed.

                  Is your allah white light or infrared light or some other light?

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                    Now something wrong is becoming obvious in your frontal lobe. It thinks saying "matter/energy id void of life" means it is destroyed.

                    Is your allah white light or infrared light or some other light?

                    Do you understand the following answer?

                    ENERGY = "THE CAUSE OF ANY CHANGE"

                    So which energy/light?

                    See how funny is your question?

                    That is BASIC SCIENCE! You are really funny.. laugh

                    We will strike the frontal lobe. (9615) ... Let him call on his gang (of 8 billion peoples). (9617)

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                      Issue Is Allah "the cause of any change (Energy)" ?

                      A. Yes
                      B. No

                      A or B?

                      There is no reality but ENERGY.

                      That is Allah, your LordLaw, ie. the Creator (Cause & Effect, Energy) of everything. There is no LordLaw but Him � so how are you deluded? (4062)

                      That is Allah, your LordLaw, There is no LordLaw but Him, ie. the Creator (Cause & Effect, Energy) of everything. So serve Him. He is responsible for everything. (6102)

                      Musa said "Allah is the LordLaw (Energy) of the East and the West AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. You would understand Allah if you USE REASON. (262

                      Of course.. .

                      They will not have arguments but will say “By Allah, our LordLaw, we were not polytheists.” Look! How they lie against themselves! The lie (unnature) will leave them what they invented. (623-24)

                      They think they deceive Allah and those who have iman.
                      They deceive no one but themselves but they are not aware of it (Joker). (29) laugh

                      so much for wishful thinking....

                      nothing about worshipping Allah at all.. but about worshipping the "self / society".. approval junkies.

                      إِنَّ ٱلَّذِینَ كَفَرُوا۟ What have they disavowed?

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                        إِنَّ ٱلَّذِینَ كَفَرُوا۟ What have they disavowed?

                        Life is short and we're not made responsible for all the laws of nature, but only these two categories

                        Main prohibition

                        Lord called to them, "Did I not forbid you to approach that tree (of ecological justice)? Did I not warn you that (Human) Satan was your sworn enemy?" (722)

                        • Do not cut down the trees (preservation of ecological order, 235) https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52837032_2292460307637214_6380950598618972160_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=89aa7c44a11f48b1de11e59be170813c&oe=5D04EDFC https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50683958_2276594285890483_8519042183934771200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=9d869fa00326b8e12c960ffeae92e639&oe=5CEC2D5D https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50708425_2277761332440445_2782912304117710848_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=2638c4d59ab8399a400db17216bb38ab&oe=5CF1F5EC https//1.bp.blogspot.com/-PYt_NxabK5Y/XA6GWhpLhDI/AAAAAAAAAII/BVO5uW5EPg0OiNC4idXQjUzEnWecmwavgCLcBGAs/s1600/theme770.jpg

                        • Human shaytan is your enemy (good people disobey bad laws, ELSE bad people/human shaytan)

                        https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52729338_2292409424308969_9048642807224336384_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=2eea713f500d8905498083863237e38a&oe=5D4DD85A

                        If you avoid the major sins that you are forbidden against (722), then We will cancel your existing sins and admit you to a generous entrance. (431, 5822)

                        That's it... very simple.

                        On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)

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                          Life is short and we're not made responsible for all the laws of nature, but only these two categories

                          Main prohibition

                          Lord called to them, "Did I not forbid you to approach that tree (of ecological justice)? Did I not warn you that (Human) Satan was your sworn enemy?" (722)

                          • Do not cut down the trees (preservation of ecological order, 235) https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52837032_2292460307637214_6380950598618972160_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=89aa7c44a11f48b1de11e59be170813c&oe=5D04EDFC https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50683958_2276594285890483_8519042183934771200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=9d869fa00326b8e12c960ffeae92e639&oe=5CEC2D5D https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50708425_2277761332440445_2782912304117710848_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=2638c4d59ab8399a400db17216bb38ab&oe=5CF1F5EC https//1.bp.blogspot.com/-PYt_NxabK5Y/XA6GWhpLhDI/AAAAAAAAAII/BVO5uW5EPg0OiNC4idXQjUzEnWecmwavgCLcBGAs/s1600/theme770.jpg

                          • Human shaytan is your enemy (good people disobey bad laws, ELSE bad people/human shaytan)

                          https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52729338_2292409424308969_9048642807224336384_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=2eea713f500d8905498083863237e38a&oe=5D4DD85A

                          If you avoid the major sins that you are forbidden against (722), then We will cancel your existing sins and admit you to a generous entrance. (431, 5822)

                          That's it... very simple.

                          On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)

                          Who is your lord who is calling you? Light/Energy or some living lord?

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                            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                            Who is your lord who is calling you? Light/Energy or some living lord?

                            • You have no argument, no reason, no proof.

                            • You accused all translators as pseudo-scholars / fake scholars and cannot justify your claims

                            • You can't explain your inconsistencies.

                            • You do not answer even one question in this thread.

                            • You divert to irrelevant issues

                            • You play stupid / trolling / argument by repetititon, and when I said there is no reality but Energy.

                            • You failed in BASIC SCIENCE

                            They will not have arguments but will say “By Allah, our LordLaw, we were not polytheists.” Look! How they lie against themselves! The lie (unnature) will leave them what they invented. (623-24)

                            What is your answer?

                            A or B?

                            Issue Is Allah "the cause of any change (Energy)" ?

                            A. Yes
                            B. No

                            A or B?

                            Islam for kindergarten level.. haqeeqat rotfl

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                              Mazhar
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                              Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 113812 PM
                              Who is your lord who is calling you? Light/Energy or some living lord?

                              You have no argument, no reason, no proof.
                              You accused all translators as pseudo-scholars / fake scholars and cannot justify your claims

                              Why, instead of telling about your lord you go in bewilderment?

                              I said George Sale was a pseudo-scholars; and about majority of later translators I said they were plagiarists. A mere glance on IslamAwakened proves it.

                              You seem to be trapped in a vicious circle that the determining forces behind the reality of universe are causation, nature, and chance; and you think it is your lord, allah.

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                                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                You seem to be trapped in a vicious circle that the determining forces behind the reality of universe are causation, nature, and chance; and you think it is your lord, allah.

                                So what is your answer?

                                A or B?

                                Issue Is Allah "the cause of any change (Energy)" ?

                                A. Yes
                                B. No

                                A or B?

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                                  Mazhar
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                                  Where is this question written in the Book about which you are talking about?

                                  And what is the word for Energy in the Book you are studying?

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                                    Where is this question written in the Book about which you are talking about?

                                    And what is the word for Energy in the Book you are studying?

                                    Then answer this simple question...

                                    Issue Is Allah "the cause of any change (Energy)" ?

                                    A. Yes
                                    B. No

                                    A or B?

                                    Why claiming to know many things when you cannot answer this simple question?

                                    Look! How they lie against themselves! (623-24) rotfl

                                    A or B?

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      Quote from Mazhar on Today at 014028 AM
                                      Where is this question written in the Book about which you are talking about?

                                      And what is the word for Energy in the Book you are studying?

                                      Then answer this simple question...

                                      Quote from Mahdi Ibrahim on Yesterday at 121219 PM
                                      Issue Is Allah "the cause of any change (Energy)" ?

                                      A. Yes
                                      B. No

                                      A or B?

                                      Why claiming to know many things when you cannot answer this simple question?

                                      Look! How they lie against themselves! (623-24) rotfl

                                      This is why I earlier said you are trapped in vicious circle. At times you call energy is allah and sometimes allah is the cause of energy change; without understanding the meanings of so structuring that you are calling allah is the cause of change (energy). Passive structure means you are calling allah is the result of change of energy.

                                      Try to get out of vicious circle.

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                                        This is why I earlier said you are trapped in vicious circle. At times you call energy is allah and sometimes allah is the cause of energy change; without understanding the meanings of so structuring that you are calling allah is the cause of change (energy). Passive structure means you are calling allah is the result of change of energy.

                                        Try to get out of vicious circle.

                                        of course, because I said Allah is Energy... logic failed! rotfl

                                        What is your answer?

                                        A or B?

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                                        ahhh.. liars, there are everywhere... laugh

                                        They think they deceive Allah and those who have iman. They deceive no one but themselves but they are not aware of it. (29)

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                                          Mazhar
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                                          Ok, let me try some therapy.

                                          Who/What is Allah in your mind?

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