Another view on the polygamy issue
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Can someone please address this argument from the article
It can clearly be read, that the main focus of the verse is to prohibit any form of injustice occurring by compromising the 'orphans'. Verse 4127 seems to elaborate further by indicating that this was possibly due to men not giving the orphans prescribed portions due to desire of marriage.
The main 'draw' of verse 43 is not necessarily to stipulate a number of wives but rather, to keep men away from compromising the orphans.
We note the Arabic term "mathna wathulatha waruba'a" (Literally (by/in) twos and threes and fours) which seems to simply denote a multiplicity. The exact same phrase is used in 35.1 when describing the wings of angels and its multiplicity.
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"Praise be to God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, Who makes the angels, messengers with wings, (by/in) twos, and threes and fours (Arabic mathna wathulatha waruba'a). He adds to Creation as He pleases for God has power over all things"
Hardly anyone would argue that verse 35.1 is stipulating an exact combination of the number of wings of angels, 2, 3 and 4. Quite apart from an angel having 3 wings or any number of wings for that matter, the phrase clearly seems to be denoting a multiplicity.
Therefore, if the phrase "mathna wathulatha waruba'a" ((by/in) twos and threes and fours) is examined with the phrase read in 35.1, one concludes that verse 43 is not advancing a 'limiting allowance' to marry up to 4 wives. Rather, its purport seems to be focused in to drawing away from any potential injustice to the orphans by asking the believers to marry other believing women in whatever numbers.
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Rather, its purport seems to be focused in to drawing away from any potential injustice to the orphans by asking the believers to marry other believing women in whatever numbers.
the read one explains everything about his argument..
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Salam/Peace dear sister, i found this article https//www.organisedquran.com/is-polygamy-allowed
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Salam/Peace dear sister, i found this article https//www.organisedquran.com/is-polygamy-allowed
Thanks, I've never heard of this website before. O
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the read one explains everything about his argument..
He believes that the expression simply implies multiple and not limited to 4. He also uses the verse 351 about angel wings.
Thank you for the replies! And to everyone else as well!
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Salam/Peace dear sister, i found this article https//www.organisedquran.com/is-polygamy-allowed
Salam & thank you, brother Sardar!
There is no 'widow' or 'mother' of orphans in surah 4.
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He believes that the expression simply implies multiple and not limited to 4. He also uses the verse 351 about angel wings.
accordingly, he believes it can be "in whatever numbers"...
he should look further for valid argument..
O mankind! have taqwa of your Lord who created you from ONE SOUL. (41)
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Wa alaykum asalam,
There is a verse somewhere in the Qur'an which says to marry the single amongst you- something along those lines...this makes me wonder if polygamy is just for men who intend to marry mothers of orphans (or apparently also widowed, abandoned etc.) and for nobody else since it should be the single we should marry....so if a woman for example should marry someone single, she shouldn't in this case intend to marry an already married man. Besides, most women who are the '1st wife' wouldn't agree anyway so if the husband were to go against her wishes- this would show lack of empathy and kindness towards her which a loving husband would not want to do.
This is also definitely an interesting point.
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43 الىتمى l-yatāmā/the bereaved (mothers with underage children i.e. boys and/or girls)
Why in 46 you translated it as "orphaned" but here as mothers with underage children?
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Why in 46 you translated it as "orphaned" but here as mothers with underage children?
peace sleepy, the closer word is bereaved; don't mind the mindless suggesting pedophilia to marry orphans/underage girls.
English orphan is a child without parents
Arabic yatm/bereaved
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fatherless child (preceding puberty) no concept of 20 or 40-year-old orphans.
46 and test ye of l-yatm/the bereaved until when reach they of the marriage (age) ? -
fatherless child "prepubescent girls/boys" along with their mother falls in same category.
4127 yatm/bereaved the womenfolk the ones not thou gives them what written for them and thou hoping that thou marry ye them and those vulnerable from/among l-wil'dni/the youngsters ...
again, cannot detach mother from her children or marry underage girls (with/without their consent).
peace everyone!
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peace sleepy, the closer word is bereaved; don't mind the mindless suggesting pedophilia to marry orphans/underage girls.
English orphan is a child without parents
Arabic ىتمى yatāmā/bereaved
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fatherless child (preceding puberty) no concept of 20 or 40-year-old orphans.
46 وابتلوا and test ye of الىتمى l-yatāmā/the bereaved حتى until اذا when بلغوا reach they of النكاح the marriage (age) � -
fatherless child "prepubescent girls/boys" along with their mother falls in same category.
4127 ىتمى yatāmā/bereaved النسا the womenfolk التى the ones لا not توتونهن thou gives them ما what كتب written لهن for them وترغبون and thou hoping ان that تنكحوهن thou marry ye them والمستضعفىن and those vulnerable من from/among الولدن l-wil'dāni/the youngsters ...
again, cannot detach mother from her children or marry underage girls (with/without their consent).
peace everyone!
Oh okay thanks!
So your understanding is that multiple marriages are allowed in the case of widows with children? -
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Oh okay thanks!
So your understanding is that multiple marriages are allowed in the case of widows with children?peace sleepy, have a different understanding now
43 وان and if خفتم fear you (m/pl.) الا that not تقسطوا thou just ye of فى in الىتمى l-yatama/the orphans
فانكحوا so betroths ye of ما what طاب seem good لكم to you (m/pl.) من of النسا l-nisai/the womenfolk (f/pl.)
مثنى mathnā/twosome (m) وثلث wathulātha/and triplet (m) وربع warubāa/and quartette (m)
فان so if خفتم fear you (m/pl.) الا that not تعدلوا thou equitable ye of
فوحده fawahidatan/so single/communally (f)
او or ما what ملكت possess اىمنكم right hands (commits) yours
ذلك such ادنى lowermost الا that not تعولوا thou oppress ye ofbetroths ye of is similar to what father-in-law suggested to help out
2827 قال said انى indeed I ارىد want ان that انكحك betroths you (sing.) احدى one (f) ابنتى daughters two mine
mathnā (m) wathulātha (m) warubāa (m) can refer back to the community
fawahidatan/so communally (f) refers to community (groups are feminine)3446 قل say انما solely اعظكم I advise you (m/pl.) بوحده biwahidatin/in single (thought) (f)
ان that تقوموا thou stand ye of لله to God مثنى mathnā/twosome/twos (m) وفردى and individuallyother words to describe exactly two females
4176 فان so if كانتا be/are (feminine) dual اثنتىن ithnatayni/two (females)
2823 ووجد and found من from دونهم besides them امرتىن imra-atayni/women two
