Qur'an version question
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Peace NJada.
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There is no religion called Judaism or Christianity or Islam or Shinto or....
There is only GOD s one and only religion Submission and total loyalty to GOD Alone /GOD s system..
GOD bless you.
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peace,
Welcome to the forum.
What do you consider to be the most faithful English version?
All translation have bias and are imperfect. Key is applying an intelligent approach, e.g.
http//www.quran434.com/study-method.htmlI'd probably recommend Muhammad Asad's or monotheist group. You can read both side by side translations here http//quranix.org/1
Is this forum predominantly made up of Muslims of a certain school of thought within Islam?
The forum is dominated by those who follow a Quran based islam. This is unlike most Muslim forums.
You might find these sites helpful
https//AreYouMuslim.com
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Hello human titled Jafar. Thank you for sharing your perspective on this. I have noticed a tendency to avoid labels and sources of religion outside of the Qur'an on this website, so I am glad you give some more explanation of how you see it. As far as I can tell, this may well be itself another form of Islam, whether you avoid labeling it or not; but if that is not so, perhaps you can share something to clarify.
To be clear, even if you do not associate with such words as Muslim and Islam, do you consider the Qur'an to be the primary (or exclusive) source of revelation from God to man? You seemed to say it also has man for it's author, or is that only if it isn't Arabic, or did I misunderstand you? Do you consider the Qur'an in any way unique with regard to this general rule that whatever man writes contains bias?I have various thoughts concerning the potential problems and uses and benefits of labels, but I'm much more interested in hearing the thoughts of people who strive to live by the Qur'an and am hoping they can indicate a more or less authentic understanding of what is essential to their beliefs and way of life, even if they disagree on many particulars. Not that I'm not interested in hearing about the particulars too.
Being new to reading the Qur'an, I have no way yet of knowing whether your way of approaching your beliefs is more faithful to the Qur'an's teachings than that of those who do use labels. It doesn't seem to be from what I've read so far, but what do I know?-- perhaps you can explain.I thought the mention of my religion might matter to some people so I mentioned it. If it doesn't matter to you, great. To try to give a quick answer, by wholly orthodox, I mean I believe that God gives the fullness of His revelation to man through His Catholic Church specifically and uniquely, and that, trusting His authority above my own judgment, I therefore believe all the Church's official teachings.
Well, I'm interested to hear something of what you believe concerning islam without the I and the Qur'an, so feel free to elaborate. Thanks for your time.
And thank you good logic and Wakas, I will take a look at your links soon.
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How much do you consider that one ought to take into account the branch or sub-branch, sect, denomination, etc. of translators/interpreters?
What do you consider to be the most faithful English version?
peace and greetings welcome to the forum!
they're all horrid with contradictions parroted mistakes too many to list.
Is this forum predominantly made up of Muslims of a certain school of thought within Islam?
"I am a sect by myself, as far as I know." -- Thomas Jefferson
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Hello Free-Minds forum, I recently began reading the Qur'an,
God bless you!
hello and welcome to forum,
give it handsome amount of time, hope your beginning bring a fruitful end.
take your TIME and use your God given abilities and tools provided to you..TIME factor is key to get lot of answers.
God bless you
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Salam/Peace,
This website is an Islamic one that mainly centers around the Quran and it?s teachings/verses.
We are very much an open forum that encourages debate, questioning, and reason (if a concept can?t handle questioning, then it can?t be truth).
Welcome and I wish you well on your journey.
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Hello Good Logic.
Thank you for the links. I read through them. What do you mean when you say "there is no religion called..."? Do you mean that those are false religions, or that they are not really religions at all? Or that there is no essential distinction between religions as long they lead to submission to the one God? Or do you mean something else?You said, among the others, that there is also no religion called Islam, but that there is God's religion. Your first link says earlier Scriptures taught this religion which is taught by the Quran is that only the Old and New Testaments, or does that go for others? Do you believe the Quran is a fuller and more reliable source of revealing this religion? Would it be wrong to give it some other name; and if so, why not Islam? Why not say, for example, I believe that the true Islam is the Islam which is guided by no writings except the Qur'an? Is it perhaps that you consider it more something you do (to submit to God) rather than a "thing" to be believed? I recently read, in the midst of some of the dietary ordinances, "This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed my favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion..." (53). Would you say, perhaps, that this could just as well have been translated "and chosen for you submission (to God) as a religion," and that this would more closely convey your view of this religion as something universal and not exclusive to the Quran?
But you do also call it God's system, and the Quran does sound to me to describe something of a system, one with various specific requirements (ordinances, instructions, prohibitions) and beliefs that must be kept (such as the resurrection)--some which are to be found in other religions but some which as far as I know are not part of other religions or are even contrary to other religions. Do any of these differences need to be reconciled, or are they not necessarily hindrances to submission to God? While reading the Quran and its various commandments and principles it teaches, if I am to give it its due respect, I would assume these were written in order to be followed. This caused me to wonder what precisely the first link means by, "GOD could not have made His message any simpler than being 'universal'". As an example of this universal simplicity it quotes 2125 "We did not send any messenger before you except with the inspiration ?There is no god except Me; you shall serve/worship Me alone."" I'm reminded of when Christ explained that the love of God is the greatest commandment and love of neighbor is the second greatest, and He then says, "On these two commandments, all the law and the prophets depend" (Matt 2240). Therefore having this always in mind, we are not dispensed from following all the other teachings, some being more on the particular side and some more universal; on the contrary, the love of God and neighbor--in itself simple and universal--implies and motivates adherence to all the other teachings. Is this similar to what you believe regarding the Quran, that to know that there is one God and to serve and worship Him alone implies and motivates the following of all the other teachings of the Quran? Or is living by the other commandments in the Quran not an necessary part of what it means to serve and worship the one God for those who know Him?
Sorry this is so many questions at once, and some of them are redundant, but they're all meant to clarify what it is you all believe here.
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Hello human titled Jafar. Thank you for sharing your perspective on this. I have noticed a tendency to avoid labels and sources of religion outside of the Qur'an on this website,
Actually I'm glad that I've seen the tendency of people in this forum to be towards more of avoiding labeling, stereotyping, name calling while embracing any sources which can be the source of truth, and not limiting to only one source, whatever it is.
To be clear, even if you do not associate with such words as Muslim and Islam, do you consider the Qur'an to be the primary (or exclusive) source of revelation from God to man?
No I don't consider the Qur'an (or Gospel or Torah or Book Of The Dead or Hammurabi Codex or Mein Kampf) to be the primary (or exclusive) source of revelation from God.
You seemed to say it also has man for it's author, or is that only if it isn't Arabic, or did I misunderstand you? Do you consider the Qur'an in any way unique with regard to this general rule that whatever man writes contains bias?
Yes all books, ebooks, video, audio, stone tablets, scrolls, whatever the title is, are all written for human and by human. And each of them are unique in their own way.
I have no way yet of knowing whether your way of approaching your beliefs is more faithful to the Qur'an's teachings than that of those who do use labels. It doesn't seem to be from what I've read so far, but what do I know?-- perhaps you can explain.
Zooming into the stories written in the Quran, it told life stories of characters who never ever read the Quran in their entire life; with objective to inspire it's reader regarding their deeds in their life.
Some of them are Moses, Abraham, Jesus, John, Maria, Zachariah, David, Solomon, Noah.
There is no way that Moses, Abraham, Jesus and friends ever read the Quran during their lifetime given the book wasn't being written yet during their lifetime. Yet the book portray their life story in a good light.Which makes the book quite unique, as most of characters were actually Israelites yet the book was not written in Hebrew or Aramaic but Arabic.
It's like finding a book which told stories about King Arthur, Lancelot, Gawain, Robin Hood written in French.
Or a book which told stories about Guan Yu, Lu Bei, Zhuge Liang, Jade Emperor written in Hindi...I mean I believe that God gives the fullness of His revelation to man through His Catholic Church specifically and uniquely, and that, trusting His authority above my own judgment, I therefore believe all the Church's official teachings.
By "specifically and uniquely" do you mean that God gives the fullness of His revelation ONLY through Catholic Church? and not through other 'channels'?
Well, I'm interested to hear something of what you believe concerning islam without the I and the Qur'an, so feel free to elaborate. Thanks for your time.
Yes like I said understanding what is islam is a good starting point.
islam is an attitude.
What kind of attitude?
There is nothing which saith it best than this sentence which I think you're very familiar with
"Let Your Will Be Done, On Earth as It Is In Heaven".Those who possesed such attitude embodied within their character are being called muslim
Similitude will be the word honest.
Those who never lies and always tell the truth (as he/she knows best) are called honest people.
Yet the meaning of the word started to deviate once a group of people created a religion / cult / sect called Honest. Thus among the member of Honest one can easily find people who are deceitful.Another similitude will be Democrats (The Political Party), not all Democrats are democratic and there are many Republicans who are actually democratic although they never call themselves as such.
Within the Quran one can read how Jesus was a muslim, those who have islam as their attitude. But definitely Jesus was not a Muslim or a member of religion named Islam (or Catholic or Orthodox or Protestant) and never ever read the Quran during his lifetime.
Thus does understanding nor reading the book titled Quran is a mandatory requirement in order for one to have islam as their attitude? The answer will be definitely NO.
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Thank you also Wakas for your resources, and to the others for the welcome. I certainly would not expect any perfect translation of any writing, as that is always an issue, whether religious or secular literature. It is commonly held in Christian studies of Holy Scripture that it is good to have many translations, since they will all have their pros and cons, and knowing the original languages can be a big help. On the other hand it would seem to me that God does not expect us to all be scholars and intellectuals, given that He made many people with various capacities, and that people have been holy without much studying or instruction. But it would still be good, if possible, to avoid beginning with a translation known to be extra biased. I will look into those ones you mentioned.
The forum is dominated by those who follow a Quran based islam. This is unlike most Muslim forums.
Thanks, I was just looking for an approximation. Avoiding labels is fine, but a little indication at least makes a difference considering another forum might be dominated by Muslims of a very different set of views!
Your link to quran434 looks very interesting. I appreciate the endeavor to go about your studies in a logical way--and also the note headed under "Time", considering that, if we are dealing with divine mysteries, I would expect that they will at some time or another elude our human understanding, or at least be more than we have time for, either right now or for this life.
I will also take a look at the section about grammar when I get the chance, because I have found the Quran to have an interesting sort of grammar, which is sometimes confusing. I don't know whether those links will help me unless I am really trying to learn Arabic, which I'm not, or if there is something there where I can get a better general sense of how its sentences are phrased, so that at least I mistake the surface meaning due to grammar.
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Peace NJada.
The following may answer some of your questionsOn peaceful mind( Muslim to GOD)
Love GOD the most
Eventually, when your mind is healed/freed/at peace, you will feel completely free from hate, Jealousy, gossip, anger, tit for tat chat, revenge,?etc
Your mind will be lifted by GOD towards bliss to encounter love towards GOD Alone, then it will resonate/translate this love towards all His creatures.Love your neighbour
What a wonderful feeling. All around you will start to benefit from the new you, your family, friends ,enemies and yourself of course.
You will find the purpose of your life is independent of all others, only dependent on your creator.
You will start to concentrate on your thoughts and actions ,trying your best to do to others what you would like to see done to you. All people will be as though they are your family ( Your Mum, Dad, Brother, Sister, Uncle, Aunt?).Of course ,as a human, there will be moments when we step out of GOD s realm, GOD then will give you a push back as a reminder. Acknowledging ,repenting and going back to the realm will save you again and so on?.
Or take no notice if you wish to remain independent of GOD, but the disease will take over again.
Muslim to GOD is a ?great jihad? against oneself only, if only each one of us realises and takes up this special and private relationship with GOD Alone. The true feeling of happinessOn all other sects/religions
I am sure with all our differences ,providing we accept each other as we are, there must be hope that at least we can live in peace with each other.
So what if your fellow human went to a synagogue, or prayed in a church, or went to a temple or did a congregation prayer behind a man or a woman or?
. If they stop their wars, aggression, lording it above each other, fighting each other, hating each other, gossiping ,backbiting, ridiculing, claiming their religion is the truth?etc
You never know, just may be , now or in 100 years or so? GOD Alone will unite them?On priorities
The number one priority ,the top of any list must be the uniting factor-GOD Alone,our Creator, all of us humans-
Now, GOD places Justice, fairness and good intentions as the most important part of His system. We seem to always concentrate on the trivial matters that are personal and can be overlooked by GOD if we have the right intentions.
Among the many books of religions out there, very few deal with the subject of ?justice, fairness and good intentions ?i.e the attitude of our mind towards GOD s system to keep the balance for all GOD s creatures.
The most important useful analysis for any human including ?Muslims? is to deal with this utmost priority, the attitude of mind towards the one GOD and His just system must be top of the list. Everything else will then follow with GOD s guidance and trust.
My thoughts .If you still have more questions, I am happy to discuss.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
