Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Users
Skins
  • Light
  • Brite
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse
Free Minds Forum Icon
  1. Home
  2. General Issues / Questions
  3. Questions/Comments on the Quran
  4. Ramadan : Does Verse 2:184 is abrogated by 2:185 ?

Ramadan : Does Verse 2:184 is abrogated by 2:185 ?

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Questions/Comments on the Quran
86 Posts 12 Posters 1.0k Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • S Offline
    S Offline
    spodacus
    wrote on last edited by
    #81

    Salam Iyakka,

    can you conduct your plural root analysis on the verses in Surah 18 with respect to the sleepers in the cave? Can you extract that indeed the count of the sleepers is 7 with 8 including the dog?

    Thanks!

    Ok sorry - i misunderstood.
    Peace

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
    • I Offline
      I Offline
      Iyyaka
      wrote on last edited by
      #82

      Salam spodacus,

      Sorry but i don't know how can i help you on this subject with the question of weak/strong plurial !

      i imagine this question (number of people in the cave) has been already treated in this forum (i didn't make research).

      I have 2 arabic linguistics to find the good number and also rhetorical proofs (but too big for this forum).

      Peace

      1 Reply Last reply
      0
      • I Offline
        I Offline
        Iyyaka
        wrote on last edited by
        #83

        Sorry,

        ERRATUM - "I have 2 arabic linguistics to find the good number" => "I have 2 arabic linguistics proofs to find the good number". The word "proof" was missing in my previous intervention.

        1 Reply Last reply
        0
        • S Offline
          S Offline
          spodacus
          wrote on last edited by
          #84

          Salam, if you ever had the time to post your research, I would be very much interested in reading it. Thanks! peace

          Sorry,

          ERRATUM - "I have 2 arabic linguistics to find the good number" => "I have 2 arabic linguistics proofs to find the good number". The word "proof" was missing in my previous intervention.

          1 Reply Last reply
          0
          • T Offline
            T Offline
            TellMeTheTruth
            wrote on last edited by
            #85

            Salam!
            As-salat, Ramadan/fasting and Hajj/zikr have a fast relation. There are total 10 days. One has to fast for these 10 days, however, if he wishes to perform hajj then it is of 3 days maximum. 2196 tells that a person who does not find ھدی he/she can fast 3 days during Hajj. And after that 7 days' fast. This is for those whose family is not in the vicinity. If he/she is in hurry then perform hajj for 2 days {2203} and 7 days of fasting. If he/she is travelling then fast during other days but complete the count of 10.
            Month or moons الاھلتہ/شھر of Ramadan and Hajj are the same. میقات للناس و الحج، while As-salat is also موقوتا.
            I have shared my understanding. Apologies for any mistakes. Would request you all think on these lines and hope you will see the connection.
            Peace!

            1 Reply Last reply
            0
            • A Offline
              A Offline
              Aladin_Azra
              wrote on last edited by
              #86

              No abrogation anywhere in the Qur'an, not even here.

              What was said in 2184 is about Siyaam of "those before you", this is why it's in a separate aayet. What was said in 2185 is about Siyaam for us.

              Šehru rameDaane is "revelation of lasting remedy". "A problematic verb" used is in a jussive mood, which gives some explanation in the context, in this case it's telling that whoever witnessed "revelation of lasting remedy" (ie. the Qur'an, which is the main topic here) he already made Siyaam, no need for it. But, whoever was on a journey or was ill (the reasons not to witness) then they'll do Siyaam other day.

              1 Reply Last reply
              0
              Reply
              • Reply as topic
              Log in to reply
              • Oldest to Newest
              • Newest to Oldest
              • Most Votes


              • Login

              • Don't have an account? Register

              • Login or register to search.
              • First post
                Last post
              0
              • Categories
              • Recent
              • Users