If Salat = Prayer, Explain this 14:40
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Selam to all,
I was reading chapter 14 and verse 40 where Abraham prays to God to let him hold the communion (salat) and it kind of hit me. In other words, he was already praying and asked God to let him hold another "prayer"?!.
1440 ?My Lord, let me hold the Communion, and also from my progeny. Our Lord, and accept my prayer.?
If Salat = prayer, then Abraham was already praying and he asked God to let him hold the "prayer", which doesn't make sense if one equals Salat to prayer. Therefore, salat has to be something other than what the majority today believe it to be "prayer".
I did a little search on the forum and didn't find that it was ever discussed in this context. Moderators, please feel free to delete the post if this has already been discussed.
What am I missing?
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What am I missing?
actually you bring an interesting point into discussion although people at this forum look salat as totally different way than traditional pray and ritual..
INTERESTING POINT
1440
and you are missing the NEXT verse
1441
GUESS what, thats the very same pray every traditional and non traditional person read it just before finishing their PRAY/NAMAZ what they think the salat of quran ===> explained by bukhari and co ===>... taught by forefathers/elders===> possible inventor of this method = (banu ummayad & banu abbbasid) the first of the enemies of ===> KHILAFAT( rashdun) point to ponder but evolving things still leave some marks as imprints same happened with the term salat of quran that been hijacked by namaz..
1440 ?My Lord! Enable me and my children to establish the Divine System. Our Lord! Accept my prayer.?
1441 Our Lord! Grant the shelter of forgiveness to me, my parents, and the believers on the Day when the final reckoning comes to pass.?believers = all of them including un-labeled of past and present.. (262)..
hint here is traditional people think all other will go to hell apart from the labelled one..
in pk movie (alien) was checking the labels in the kids who is christian/jew/muslim/hindu and he found no label lmao..
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this ritual cost a lot to muslim nation and have nothing to do with salat of quran..
i never see annyone doing this ritual with happiness but with force or with fear..
but on the other hand people establising real salat have peace of mind and they do it with their own will
( example of real salat) = chapter 107 opposite of those characters... (just feed an orphan and feel the happiness) and then you will establish this habit(salat) as your duty of getting that peace..i openly admit articles of wakas were the real help for me to understand salat i recommend everyone to read those articles.. well written and explained...
God bless
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Also there are two different things here
1- Al Salat----Which Qoran specifically mentions as this "specific thing" that Abraham asked for and was establish since as "timed slots" with a preparation -56-.
2-Sala/t .This one without the Al. With a different meaning in other contexts of other verses like "Salawatuka, Salli Alaihim...etc..
So what is this supposedly known thing that Abraham asked for? i.e Al Salat--The Salat-?
This particular Al Salat is "Kitaban Mawkutan- timed- and is prepared for- 56 "Idha Kumtum Ila Al Salat...." .Done with a certain tone... etc What is it?
GOD bless .
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Salam FJ,
Your observation is correct. Salat is not "prayer" as the traditionalists confuse it, but is rather a "link/instruction/communion" with God.
We perform Salat when we need to understand the laws or a specific topic (that is why the Qur'an is read during Salat in an audible voice). It is meant to be a solution to guide us in this world.
Prayer can be done anytime/anywhere and has no form beyond being purely dedicated to God (see the example of the people on the ship in 1022).
It is this confusion that makes people perform Salat as if it is an obligation - when it is actually a tool.
Best times to perform the study/salat dawn and dusk - away from the hustle and bustle of the day. But you can also perform it when you need (such as in the event of a persons death 5106) or at the time of the gathering of people (Jumaa).
Also, I would agree with Good Logic Salat and Al-Salat should not translate the same.
Salat = commune (small "c"
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Selam,
Thank you and God bless you all for your responses.
There are tonns of discussion on Salat in this forum,
Salat establishing i think was something to do with learning, moral and other good things in this world, with a Imam/teacher/leader involved, is it a ritual Timed?, probably yes as it helps.Yes, I read most of them, but like I said, I don't remember and I couldn't find that this verse was discussed in this context.
peace,
I guess they could argue the word "du'aa" means "call/prayer/petition" which can be done anytime, and salat is the formalised/special/ritualised prayer.
I guess, so Abraham was praying alone and prayed that he's let to hold the ritualized prayer?
...this ritual cost a lot to muslim nation and have nothing to do with salat of quran..
i never see annyone doing this ritual with happiness but with force or with fear..
but on the other hand people establising real salat have peace of mind and they do it with their own will
( example of real salat) = chapter 107 opposite of those characters... (just feed an orphan and feel the happiness) and then you will establish this habit(salat) as your duty of getting that peace..i openly admit articles of wakas were the real help for me to understand salat i recommend everyone to read those articles.. well written and explained...
God bless
Hi Imran, I still don't think that those characteristics are the opposite of salat because if it were it wouldn't say
1074 So woe to those who make the contact prayer,
1075 Who are towards their contact prayer absent-minded.
1076 They only want to be seen.In the PM translation of the reading, not sure why on this chapter the salat - if it's the same word - was translated as contact prayer where everywhere else it was translated communion. Anyway, my point is that salat is not the opposite of the negative characteristics because these people are still holding salat but they are absent-minded and do it only to be seen. That means Salat is what teaches one the good characteristics/values (feeding the poor, treating the orphans good and so on) because those that do salat and do these things are not absent-minded to it and don't do it to be seen.
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Also there are two different things here
1- Al Salat----Which Qoran specifically mentions as this "specific thing" that Abraham asked for and was establish since as "timed slots" with a preparation -56-.
2-Sala/t .This one without the Al. With a different meaning in other contexts of other verses like "Salawatuka, Salli Alaihim...etc..
So what is this supposedly known thing that Abraham asked for? i.e Al Salat--The Salat-?
This particular Al Salat is "Kitaban Mawkutan- timed- and is prepared for- 56 "Idha Kumtum Ila Al Salat...." .Done with a certain tone... etc What is it?
GOD bless .
Peace.I agree.
Salam FJ,
Your observation is correct. Salat is not "prayer" as the traditionalists confuse it, but is rather a "link/instruction/communion" with God.
We perform Salat when we need to understand the laws or a specific topic (that is why the Qur'an is read during Salat in an audible voice). It is meant to be a solution to guide us in this world.
Prayer can be done anytime/anywhere and has no form beyond being purely dedicated to God (see the example of the people on the ship in 1022).
It is this confusion that makes people perform Salat as if it is an obligation - when it is actually a tool.
Best times to perform the study/salat dawn and dusk - away from the hustle and bustle of the day. But you can also perform it when you need (such as in the event of a persons death 5106) or at the time of the gathering of people (Jumaa).
Also, I would agree with Good Logic Salat and Al-Salat should not translate the same.
Salat = commune (small "c"
Al-Salat = Communion/Instruction/Link.I agree
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Hi Imran, I still don't think that those characteristics are the opposite of salat because if it were it wouldn't say
1074 So woe to those who make the contact prayer,
1075 Who are towards their contact prayer absent-minded.
1076 They only want to be seen.In the PM translation of the reading, not sure why on this chapter the salat - if it's the same word - was translated as contact prayer where everywhere else it was translated communion. Anyway, my point is that salat is not the opposite of the negative characteristics because these people are still holding salat but they are absent-minded and do it only to be seen. That means Salat is what teaches one the good characteristics/values (feeding the poor, treating the orphans good and so on) because those that do salat and do these things are not absent-minded to it and don't do it to be seen.
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RED dnt know why they do it better ask from themselves because the same root SLW been used here..
BLUE see the verse below who were/are they ?
GREEN treat it like active voice /passive voice.. chapter is about the ones who are absent minded to their duties or who are dishonest in their duties not about the ones who are honest with the duties its started from the word rejectors of DEEN = divine system.954 What prevents their contributions from being accepted is this They do not truly believe in God and His Messenger. They only claim to believe. They join you in Salaat congregations only half-heartedly and just to be seen of men. And they contribute only with great reluctance in their hearts.
point to be NOTED
time salat = salat ul fajar & salat ul isha ==== > performer/s (musali/een)
markazi/main salat = AL-salwat ul wusta ====> performer/s (musali/een) that one is is in plural mean more than one type and some of them (TYPES) are in chap 107in both cases they can be show-offs.
for "pray" quran used a word called DUA..and in your Opening post you hinted towards a DUA what still in practice. people read that DUA in their NAMAZ what they think its salat.. its confusing because term sala hijacked by a ritual.
hope it clarifies now what i tried to say about 107.
