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A.L.M...single letters and Does "Hûdan" and "Yahûd" are the same (jews) ?

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    Salam Everyone,

    We will closely study an important letter that will allow us once again to "Tadabbour" and better understand the specific message of the Qur'an.
    The is both used as a consonant and as a vocalization in the extension of the sound 'i'].

    First, the Ethymology {H,D} from the radical Hûdan means to guide.

    Second, list the verses for the word Hûdan and the word Yahûd (translated by jews without distinction)

    • Hûdan (262), (446), (4160), (541), (544), (569), (6146), (1611, (2217), (626), (2111), (2135) and (2140)
    • Yahûd (2113), (2120), (367), (51, (551), (564), (582) and (930)

    So now what is the difference ?

    • Hûdan Jews (general community) -> Those who has received the Guidance with a neutral or positive connotation
    • Yahûd Jews (some from the general community) -> with an exclusive NEGATIVE connotation.
      They have the Guidance but they act in the opposite direction !

    In conclusion, we have one of the functions (the function?) of this letter is to reverse, to invert, opposite things

    Other Examples

    • {B,S} = soft (like a bread) # = Hard
    • {A,S} = Power # = power loss
    • {T,M} = complete # = INcomplete (orphan)
    • {R,Q} = lower, reduce # = to raise..
      etc..

    Also, from the sound, we can remark that this letter allow to increase the sound 'i']#'iiii'] Short # Long..Opposite.

    Peace

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      Salam Everyone,

      We will closely study an important letter that will allow us once again to "Tadabbour" and better understand the specific message of the Qur'an.
      The is both used as a consonant and as a vocalization in the extension of the sound 'i'].

      First, the Ethymology {H,D} from the radical Hûdan means to guide.

      Second, list the verses for the word Hûdan and the word Yahûd (translated by jews without distinction)

      • Hûdan (262), (446), (4160), (541), (544), (569), (6146), (1611, (2217), (626), (2111), (2135) and (2140)
      • Yahûd (2113), (2120), (367), (51, (551), (564), (582) and (930)

      So now what is the difference ?

      • Hûdan Jews (general community) -> Those who has received the Guidance with a neutral or positive connotation
      • Yahûd Jews (some from the general community) -> with an exclusive NEGATIVE connotation.
        They have the Guidance but they act in the opposite direction !

      In conclusion, we have one of the functions (the function?) of this letter is to reverse, to invert, opposite things

      Other Examples

      • {B,S} = soft (like a bread) # = Hard
      • {A,S} = Power # = power loss
      • {T,M} = complete # = INcomplete (orphan)
      • {R,Q} = lower, reduce # = to raise..
        etc..

      Also, from the sound, we can remark that this letter allow to increase the sound 'i']#'iiii'] Short # Long..Opposite.

      Peace

      Salam Iyyaka,

      Thanks for sharing this! I have been puzzled with Al-Yahud because the root means to guide but somehow in Quran, the usage is always negative. Now it makes sense.

      Would you mind giving some other examples please?

      Wassalam,
      Ade

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        Salam ade_cool,

        Thanks and i am happy if my post help you to have a better understanding of the Quran.

        This a vast subject.

        To be simple we have 2 main approaches to find a root definition of a word

        1. Classical dictionaries (Almost all people know ONLY Arabic by them) based on a triliteral root conception

        2. Evolutionary approach (you can find more study about this approach with our hebrew brothers) => A quick summary
          Each pictogramm means something and when two pictographs are put together, a Parent Root word is formed.
          Then, Formed out of the Parent Roots are different Child Roots The first is formed by doubling the last letter of the Parent Root and the other Child roots are formed by placing a vowel within the Parent Root. At this level you have the lettres "Wa" and "Ya" which are used to form a child root.
          Finally, An adopted root is a three letter root that is formed out of a parent root. These roots evolved over time out of the original parent roots. Adopted roots are formed by adding a third consonant to a Parent Root forming a new root that is usually more specific in meaning than the parent. Sometimes a fourth consonant are used too.

        I think that the 2 approaches are useful.
        I am a student in the second one and i share with you my research or people's others research on this domain.

        For returning to your question, the letter "Ya" is interesting to analyze in its relation with the other letter "Wa" (both have a role of a vowel and a consonant), when it used in the middle of a triliterous root .

        An example from the Qur'an S-W-R (س و ر) and S-Y-R (س ی ر)
        In the evolutionary approach discussed above (Approach # 2), the Parent Root is "S-R".
        By adding a "Wa" we have a child root "S-W-R" and adding "Ya" we have another child root "S-Y-R".
        Being in the middle of the root, the letter "Ya" does not reverse the meaning of the parent root "S-R" but completes it in contrast to the "Wa".
        The "Wa" means "to be associated with", the state of a thing, a characteristic of something, more interior.
        Thus, the "Ya", by contrast, is related to something external, related to the world and in our relationship with the world around us.
        Thus the root SYR refers to the idea of ​​movement, actions whereas the root SWR will return to the idea of ​​a protected city, as frozen, motionless sheltered between large walls or in the state of greatness of a being.

        If this logic is useful, then one may perhaps better understand the difference between S-Y-M and S-W-M (Both root mean "Fasting" in traditionnal views) as the difference between Q-Y-M and Q-W-M. The difference is minimal but the exegetical consequences are enormous.
        A big study to lead with the best judge Al-Quran.

        Peace to you brother.

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          Salam Iyyaka,

          Your post has helped me gaining better understanding of Quran. Please continue sharing!

          Thanks for the answer! If I understand correctly, what you explained in your last post is different from the one before. Actually I was asking for some more examples of the pattern you explained in the first post. Now that I have clarified my question, please kindly answer again.

          Wassalam,
          Ade

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            Salam ade_cool,

            No it is not different between my 2 posts. The function (alone?) of the letter "Ya" is to make a contrast or to revert/opposite an idea.

            In my first post, The letter "Ya" is at the beginning of a triliteral root (prefix) => Impact on the parent root.

            In my second post, the letter "Ya" is in the middle of a triliteral root and it seems to play his role by contrast with the letter "Wa", not with the parent root.

            As i sayed, i am a student on this domain of research and i gave u my knowledge on this subject, and specially with the rule of the letter "Ya" according to his place in a triliteral root (First, second).

            So, as me, if you are interesting make your own research and share with us as i will do.

            Peace brother.

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              Salam ade_cool,

              No it is not different between my 2 posts. The function (alone?) of the letter "Ya" is to make a contrast or to revert/opposite an idea.

              In my first post, The letter "Ya" is at the beginning of a triliteral root (prefix) => Impact on the parent root.

              In my second post, the letter "Ya" is in the middle of a triliteral root and it seems to play his role by contrast with the letter "Wa", not with the parent root.

              As i sayed, i am a student on this domain of research and i gave u my knowledge on this subject, and specially with the rule of the letter "Ya" according to his place in a triliteral root (First, second).

              So, as me, if you are interesting make your own research and share with us as i will do.

              Peace brother.

              Salam Iyyaka,

              I see ...ok well noted with thanks

              The domain research is interesting and I think it has potential to open up new approach to better understand Quran. So please keep us updated on the research progress.

              Wassalam,
              Ade

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                Yes ade_cool, many approaches can and must be used, under quranic control, if it permits to be close or reach the truth even if our dogmas or egos are shaken (sunnat allah !)
                Peace.

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                  Salam,

                  Another opportunity to study the relationships of wa and ya on the second radical of a triliterary root.

                  Here are two associated Quranic roots

                  (1) غ ى ث (gh-y-th / al-ghayth / verb form ghaatha) the meaning is about a soil sprinkled with abundant and extensive rain that quickly grows vegetation on a soil that was lacking (arid). This brings us back to the image of the dead earth which becomes alive again
                  http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=gyv#(31347)

                  (2) غ و ث (gh-w-th) the meaning is to rescue someone and assist them when they are in a position of distress.
                  http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=gwv#(182919)

                  There is no doubt that a link has to be established between the two roots because it can be said that abundant rain comes to the aid of the parched/dry earth.
                  the difference is due to the ya and the wa on the second radical
                  (1) we are not associated with rescue - rescue is outside of us (natural world)
                  (2) we are associated with the rescue - we are the instigator.

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