Does The Quran say God told Abraham to sacrifice his son? - Eid Al Adha
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That time of the year according to Traditional Islam.
Why it is relevant when Haj is taking place in Makka?
Do you think Quran verses are relevant when some people are converged to certain place and claim they perform Haj...
by the way... have you ever done conventional haj? Would you mind anyone doing this ritual or vehemently against this ritual since you have any evidence against it....
I think you better close this topic.. lol laugh unless you have something new to say.. my opinion and not any compelling..
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You can read my hajj article here
https//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.htmlQuote
Summary and Discussional HaJJ ~ the symposium/feast/homage/commemoration
Taking the above review of occurrences into account, a summarised reference list of the information extracted about the HaJJ is shown below
When
occurs within the ashur(plural of shahr) well known i.e. the four inviolable/restricted months
the crescent/new moons are used as set times for itGuidelines
the principal requirement the position of the shelter and of those hosting it is that nothing is associated with God i.e. monotheism
can take place at a shelter wherein this criteria is met
done for God
during this time there is an amnesty/truce in place if there are warring parties (self-defence is still allowed however)
this type of event will nurture a sense of brotherhood amongst monotheists/believers, provide opportunity to witness benefits, remember/mention/thank/magnify God, spend in the way of God and do goodParticipants
it is open to all mankind (who are willing to abide by the laws of the land) - for whoever is able to make a way to it
if you wish to go but are prevented then send whatever is easy of gift/offering (with a representative) - if unable to do this then one can redeem by way of abstinence/charity/sacrificeUndertaking HaJJ
for monotheists - those wishing to uphold the salat/bond and bring forth betterment
no sex/wrongdoing/quarreling - this may aid the positive atmosphere and one's spiritual experience
bring provision
one's state of mind should be piety/conscientiousness/forethoughtfulness/taqwa and sincere/straightforward
can be done in 2 days but typically would be 3-10 days, and one's obligation is fulfilled after the act of animal slaughter and feeding those in needVisitors
if you enjoyed in the visit to the HaJJ then give whatever is easy of gift/offering - if unable then abstinence 3 days during + 7 when you return = 10 completeActivities
one may seek bounty (i.e. worldly benefit, e.g. trade), get to know one another, go about the place, remember/mention/thank/magnify God, if doing HaJJ slaughter an animal to eat and share with the needyOther articles
https//mypercept.co.uk/articles/ -
//When
occurs within the ashur(plural of shahr) well known i.e. the four inviolable/restricted months
the crescent/new moons are used as set times for it //ٱلْحَجُّ أَشْهُرٚ مَّعْلُومَٟتٚۚ
أَشْهُرٚ مَّعْلُومَٟتٚۚ It is adjectival phrase. أَشْهُرٚ signifies most famous --most well known.
مَّعْلُومَٟتٚۚ is adjective and is passive participle. Information made known.It does not mean months.
وَأَذِّن فِـى ٱلنَّاسِ بِٱلْحَجِّ
And you (Iebra'heim alai'his'slaam) make a proclamationin the people for the performance of Hu'j Pilgrimage to the House of Allah the Exalted (Ka'aba) —
يَأْتُوكَ رِجَالٙا وَعَلَـىٰ كُلِّ ضَامِرٛ يَأْتِيـنَ مِن كُلِّ فَجٍّ عَميِقٛ .ٌ٢٧
(Know it) They will come to you on foot from nearby vicinity; and people will come riding upon every available swift ride; such carriers will come from every deep and distant mountain highways —
لِّيَشْهَدُوا۟ مَنَٟفِعَ لَـهُـمْ
So that they may witness benefits for them —
وَيَذْكُرُوا۟ ٱسْمَ ٱللَّهِ فِـىٓ أَيَّامٛ مَّعْلُومَٟتٍٛ عَلَـىٰ مَا رَزَقَهُـم مِّنۢ بَـهِيمَةِ ٱلۡأَنْعَٟمِ
And so that they mention the name of Allah the Exalted during the appointed days upon herbivorous mammals who are stout bodied and make half-nasal half-throaty voice, which He the Exalted has provided them as sustenance, while slaughtering - sacrificing them —
فَكُلُوا۟ مِنْـهَا وَأَطْعِمُوا۟ ٱلْبَآئِسَ ٱلْفَقِيـرَ .ٌ٢٨
Whereupon you people eat part of them and feed the destitute needy.
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You can read my hajj article here
https//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.htmlQuote
Summary and Discussional HaJJ ~ the symposium/feast/homage/commemoration
Taking the above review of occurrences into account, a summarised reference list of the information extracted about the HaJJ is shown below
When
occurs within the ashur(plural of shahr) well known i.e. the four inviolable/restricted months
the crescent/new moons are used as set times for itGuidelines
the principal requirement the position of the shelter and of those hosting it is that nothing is associated with God i.e. monotheism
can take place at a shelter wherein this criteria is met
done for God
during this time there is an amnesty/truce in place if there are warring parties (self-defence is still allowed however)
this type of event will nurture a sense of brotherhood amongst monotheists/believers, provide opportunity to witness benefits, remember/mention/thank/magnify God, spend in the way of God and do goodParticipants
it is open to all mankind (who are willing to abide by the laws of the land) - for whoever is able to make a way to it
if you wish to go but are prevented then send whatever is easy of gift/offering (with a representative) - if unable to do this then one can redeem by way of abstinence/charity/sacrificeUndertaking HaJJ
for monotheists - those wishing to uphold the salat/bond and bring forth betterment
no sex/wrongdoing/quarreling - this may aid the positive atmosphere and one's spiritual experience
bring provision
one's state of mind should be piety/conscientiousness/forethoughtfulness/taqwa and sincere/straightforward
can be done in 2 days but typically would be 3-10 days, and one's obligation is fulfilled after the act of animal slaughter and feeding those in needVisitors
if you enjoyed in the visit to the HaJJ then give whatever is easy of gift/offering - if unable then abstinence 3 days during + 7 when you return = 10 completeActivities
one may seek bounty (i.e. worldly benefit, e.g. trade), get to know one another, go about the place, remember/mention/thank/magnify God, if doing HaJJ slaughter an animal to eat and share with the needyOther articles
https//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Why it is relevant when Haj is taking place in Makka?
Do you think Quran verses are relevant when some people are converged to certain place and claim they perform Haj...
by the way... have you ever done conventional haj? Would you mind anyone doing this ritual or vehemently against this ritual since you have any evidence against it....
I think you better close this topic.. lol laugh unless you have something new to say.. my opinion and not any compelling..
handshakeDear Wakas,
What are the four Restricted months which the Quran talks about
God bless
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Dear Wakas,
What are the four Restricted months which the Quran talks about
God bless
It's a very good question.. But for us now there is no answer but whatever they were, they were continuous 4 months..
The day Allah created everything four months were restricted for whatever reasons.. And this was well known to people where Ibrahim lived and then onward Haj/debate on Monotheism continued with all prophets.. Allah doesn't need to re-confirm those well-known months which are restricted.. And with Mohamed's demise Haj/debate ended and restricted months changed and people invented...and Haj became a ritual of latest group...
That's my view Brother Centi50... patiently wait for Brother Waqas's reply..
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It's a very good question.. But for us now there is no answer but whatever they were, they were continuous 4 months..
The day Allah created everything four months were restricted for whatever reasons.. And this was well known to people where Ibrahim lived and then onward Haj/debate on Monotheism continued with all prophets.. Allah doesn't need to re-confirm those well-known months which are restricted.. And with Mohamed's demise Haj/debate ended and restricted months changed and people invented...and Haj became a ritual of latest group...
That's my view Brother Centi50... patiently wait for Brother Waqas's reply..
Salam Jkhan
Thanks for the reply. This is one of the Satanic book of hadiths throw to us. If Quran is complete where do we find the four restricted months.
I will wait for Wakas and any member who can have an idea of what these months are.
God bless you
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I think, in the pre islamic current calendar, Ramadan Month, Should fall around September to October, during which the moon will be bright and bigger as the month name suggests, ie. the Harvest moon period and this month is the breeding season, when hunting or even eating nonveg is prohibited in different communities, as the small ones needs to survive, for the sustainable natural availability of food for everyone. Seasons do affect any pilgrimage customs, as the rivers starts seeing more water after rainy seaons and crossing those will be difficult, so this also should be considered for pilgrimage and travel, also season of pilgrimage should be pleasant one and not the harsh summer. So I think the Hajj falling on December month should be right.
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peace,
I have not really studied when during the year the four inviolable months/moon-cycles/full-moons are but Quran strongly suggests they are consecutive e.g.
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610235.0
Read all thread and post by bro Ayman.
I am writing an article on it currently. Here is an interesting snippet
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Quran 91-2 mentions an acquittal/release from a treaty with some polytheists and tells them they have amnesty/ceasefire for 4 months/moons and then in 93 it mentions this announcement on the greatest day of the hajj or day of the greatest hajj (doesn't seem to matter which interpretation is chosen) but follows in 95 by saying when the plural inviolable months/moons have peeled/stripped-off/passed (see Project Root Llist for further evidence of the consecutive nature of this word "inSaLaKHha" then those who broke the treaty can be fought. Note the Arabic plural means 3 or more.
I initially thought The Quran was repeating the same acquittal/release in 91 in 93 again but I should have realised Quran's word precision is there for a reason. The 1st time it mentions 4 months, 2nd time it mentions when 3 or more inviolable months have peeled away. Also note how the beginning of each verse 93, 94 and 95 are linked to each other.
Thus the wording from 91-5 suggests the clear possibility that the 4 inviolable months/moons begin - then on the 2nd inviolable moon/month the hajj/homage periods can begin. This aligns with 2197 which states "hajj are the months (plural ashurun) well known". Remember the Arabic plural is 3 or more thus a minimum of 3 months/moons are allowed for hajj. If so this would match with 91-5.
The question then becomes what could be the first month/moon of the inviolable months/moons (if the last 3 are for the hajj)? The only other "named/described" month/moon given in Quran is "shahr ramadan" so this becomes the obvious candidate.It just so happens when The Quran introduces "shahr ramadan" and then "al hajj" in chapter 2 it is in this order, i.e. ramadan first then discusses hajj.
We can prove from Quran that "al hajj" and "ramadan" do not coincide (i.e. same month/moon) because in the nights of abstinence one is allowed sexual relations with one's spouse (2187) but when one is undertaking "al hajj" this is not allowed (2197) and is only allowed after one fulfills/completes their hajj (which is a minimum of 2 days) see 2203. Also see 2196 in which abstinence is given as an option for expiation but this would make little sense if one was already abstaining/fasting in ramadan. And lastly exemption is given for abstinence if traveling but undertaking the hajj would likely involve traveling so seems a mixed message.
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I am writing an article on it currently. Here is an interesting snippet
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Quran 91-2 mentions an acquittal/release from a treaty with some polytheists and tells them they have amnesty/ceasefire for 4 months/moons and then in 93 it mentions this announcement on the greatest day of the hajj or day of the greatest hajj (doesn't seem to matter which interpretation is chosen) but follows in 95 by saying when the plural inviolable months/moons have peeled/stripped-off/passed (see Project Root Llist for further evidence of the consecutive nature of this word "inSaLaKHha" then those who broke the treaty can be fought. Note the Arabic plural means 3 or more.
I initially thought The Quran was repeating the same acquittal/release in 91 in 93 again but I should have realised Quran's word precision is there for a reason. The 1st time it mentions 4 months, 2nd time it mentions when 3 or more inviolable months have peeled away. Also note how the beginning of each verse 93, 94 and 95 are linked to each other.
Thus the wording from 91-5 suggests the clear possibility that the 4 inviolable months/moons begin - then on the 2nd inviolable moon/month the hajj/homage periods can begin. This aligns with 2197 which states "hajj are the months (plural ashurun) well known". Remember the Arabic plural is 3 or more thus a minimum of 3 months/moons are allowed for hajj. If so this would match with 91-5.
The question then becomes what could be the first month/moon of the inviolable months/moons (if the last 3 are for the hajj)? The only other "named/described" month/moon given in Quran is "shahr ramadan" so this becomes the obvious candidate.It just so happens when The Quran introduces "shahr ramadan" and then "al hajj" in chapter 2 it is in this order, i.e. ramadan first then discusses hajj.
We can prove from Quran that "al hajj" and "ramadan" do not coincide (i.e. same month/moon) because in the nights of abstinence one is allowed sexual relations with one's spouse (2187) but when one is undertaking "al hajj" this is not allowed (2197) and is only allowed after one fulfills/completes their hajj (which is a minimum of 2 days) see 2203. Also see 2196 in which abstinence is given as an option for expiation but this would make little sense if one was already abstaining/fasting in ramadan. And lastly exemption is given for abstinence if traveling but undertaking the hajj would likely involve traveling so seems a mixed message.
Salam Wakas,
Did you finish your article on the subject of the four restricted months?
God bless
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The article has been updated, and now includes a video:
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-Abraham-sacrifice-son.html
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Abraham-Sacrifice-Questions.html -
For me, the main question is this:
Did Allah directly command Ibrahim to sacrifice his son, or did Ibrahim sincerely understand his dream in that way?
This distinction matters because the Quranic wording is very precise.
In Surah As-Saffat, Ibrahim says to his son:
“O my son, indeed I see in a dream that I am sacrificing you, so see what you think.” (37:102)
The verse does not explicitly say:
“Allah commanded me to sacrifice you.”
Nor does the Quran introduce the scene by saying:
“We commanded Ibrahim to sacrifice his son.”
Instead, the whole matter begins with Ibrahim’s dream and his understanding of that dream.
The son then replies:
“O my father, do what you are commanded. You will find me, if Allah wills, among the patient.” (37:102)
This is important, but it is still the son’s response to Ibrahim’s statement about the dream. The Quran does not separately state that Allah Himself had directly commanded Ibrahim to slaughter his son.
Then the Quran says:
“So when they had both submitted, and he laid him down upon his forehead, We called out to him: O Ibrahim, you have fulfilled/confirmed the vision.” (37:103–105)
To me, this wording is very significant.
Allah does not say:
“You have fulfilled My command.”
Rather, the wording is:
“You have fulfilled/confirmed the vision.”
Another point that stands out to me is what comes immediately after this.
After Allah stops the act, the Quran says:
“Indeed, thus do We recompense the doers of good.” (37:105)
And later again:
“Thus do We recompense the doers of good.” (37:110)
To me, this repetition is important.
I do not understand this as a reward for attempting human sacrifice. Rather, I see it in the wider picture of Ibrahim’s life and character. Ibrahim was already presented in the Quran as a sincere servant of Allah, one who rejected idols, rejected the worship of the sun, moon, and stars, challenged false beliefs, and devoted himself to Allah alone.
So when Allah says, “Thus do We recompense the doers of good,” I understand it as Allah dealing mercifully with Ibrahim because of his overall sincerity, righteousness, and lifelong devotion not because human sacrifice itself was something good.
In that sense, Allah saved Ibrahim and his son from a tragic outcome, while preserving Ibrahim’s status as a sincere and righteous servant.
This keeps Ibrahim’s sincerity intact without turning the attempted sacrifice itself into something Allah directly commanded or approved as an act.
This is why I find the wording different from the Biblical narrative in Genesis 22, where the command is presented much more directly:
“Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest… and offer him there for a burnt offering…” (Genesis 22:2)
And later:
“And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.” (Genesis 22:10)
In the Biblical version, the idea of God directly commanding Abraham to offer his son as a burnt offering is explicit.
But the Quranic version is different. It begins with a dream, not with a direct divine command. It ends with Allah saying Ibrahim had confirmed the vision, not that he had fulfilled a command to slaughter his son.
This difference is not small to me.
The Quran came as a criterion and clarification over earlier religious narratives. So when the Quran narrates the same broad event but changes the wording, removes the explicit direct command, places the matter within a dream, and then says “you have fulfilled the vision,” I feel this deserves careful reflection.
I am not saying this to attack Ibrahim. His sincerity, submission, and devotion are clear from the passage. He was prepared to give up what was most beloved to him because he believed that was what Allah required.
But I also find it difficult to say with certainty that Allah directly commanded human sacrifice when the Quran itself does not state it in those words.
This becomes even more significant when we remember that ritual human sacrifice existed in ancient pagan cultures. In that context, the Quranic wording may be correcting the inherited idea that God demanded such an act, while still preserving the lesson of Ibrahim’s complete sincerity and readiness to submit.
So my current understanding is that Ibrahim saw a dream, sincerely understood it as a divine command, and acted upon that understanding. But Allah stopped him before the sacrifice took place and redirected the matter.
This reading also makes sense of the phrase:
“You have fulfilled/confirmed the vision.”
It does not necessarily mean:
“You fulfilled a divine command to slaughter your son.”
It may mean:
“You acted upon what you saw and believed the vision required.”
I am not claiming absolute certainty. Allah knows best what exactly happened.
But based on the wording of the Quran, I currently find it difficult to say that Allah directly commanded Ibrahim to slaughter his son in the same explicit way that the Biblical narrative presents it.
To me, the Quranic version appears more careful, more nuanced, and perhaps corrective.
That is where my reflection currently stands.
One general point that may need reflection is that the Quran sometimes narrates what a prophet said or did within a situation, but that does not automatically mean every narrated word or action is being presented as Allah’s direct command or approval. The wording matters.
A few examples for reflection:
“And when Musa said to his people: O my people, you have wronged yourselves by taking the calf, so repent to your Maker and kill yourselves / kill one another…” (2:54)
“And Musa entered the city at a time when its people were unaware, and found two men fighting… so Musa struck him and killed him. He said: This is from the work of Satan…” (28:15)
“He said: My Lord, indeed I have wronged myself, so forgive me. So He forgave him…” (28:16)
“And Dhul-Nun, when he went away angry and thought that We would not constrain him…” (21:87)
“O Prophet, why do you forbid what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the pleasure of your wives?” (66:1)
“May Allah pardon you. Why did you permit them until those who told the truth were clear to you and you knew the liars?” (9:43)
So when Ibrahim says:
“Indeed I see in a dream that I am sacrificing you…” (37:102)
I think it is worth asking carefully whether the Quran is narrating Ibrahim’s sincere understanding of the dream, or whether it is explicitly presenting this as Allah’s direct command in the same wording.
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peace Fusion,
Did you read the articles?
I ask because they pose several questions for those who think the dream was not from God, or not a command, and you didn't address any of them in your analysis.Although I agree that God did not command Abraham to sacrifice his son. Summary of my view:
The Quranic evidence suggests that God tested Abraham with a dream in which he saw himself literally sacrificing his son. However both Abraham and his son correctly understood its meaning/significance, and when Abraham confirmed the vision by leaving his son he/they was rewarded.
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Yes Wakas, where I am not fully convinced is with the explanation that the fulfilment of the vision was Ibrahim leaving or separating from his son. To me, that seems more like a reconstructed reading by connecting different passages together, rather than something clearly stated in Chapter 37 itself.
So I understand the logic of your view, but I am still not sure that the verses of Chapter 37 directly support that specific conclusion.
