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If God has the power to make everyone a believer, why didn't He

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    amin
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    No one was born as a believer, once we understand the mightiness of the creation, and his signs, and understand we are being supported for our existence, we believe.

    The Karma/Deed will spread multiple lifespans until one reaches paradise, is some traditional understanding, Quran too is not so different, and these beliefs are some answers to many of our questions about why we I and our existence. Quran says life is a test so do many other religions... so we tried to be good, the world teaches us how being good, and the multiple kitabs and the hadeeths and Stories helps us. we do pray, zakat, help, pilgrimage, fasting, go Veg, etc etc other ways to get the God's favor, and its true we become positive and benefit doing these... and also we see failures too following blind belief, alchoholism, wife beating, slavery, cruelty to animals, excessive indulgence etc etc... so life is a mixture, and belief is believing in The goodness provider... which we forget due to our ego, greed.

    Our will is part of God's will. So i think we have free will only if we ignore there is a God's will.

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      Cerberus
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      Why should people be made for paradise ? what is the purpose of life is the first question to ask.

      People have a free will you say, do they really ?

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        Jafar
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        I still don't understand it. Why couldn't most people be made for Paradise?

        Perhaps they do..

        I understand that people have free will but God's will comes before our free will because what we decide to do with our free will is already written. God knew what we were going to believe and our actions before we were even born.

        If God's will come before your free will, then you actually don't have a free will.

        To find out, reflect on your life experience so far.
        Did you came to this universe out of your will?
        Did you choose the context of your birth out of your will?
        Did you choose the tradition, culture, religion, ethnicity, race, gender, name, nationality, language that your were born into out of your will?
        Can you control all aspect of your body out of your will?
        Did you control how your body growth from toddler to today?
        Can you control your body to not to grow cancer?

        One guy, a very powerful one, one year before his death, come into this realization.

        https//www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-i-claim-not-to-have-controlled-events-but-confess-plainly-that-events-have-controlled-abraham-lincoln-59-59-74.jpg

        He wrote that on a letter to his friend on April 4, 1864
        A year later, on April 14, 1865, somebody shot his head while he was watching a theater play.

        As if making a symbolic statement that the life in this universe is nothing but a theatrical play where you are among the actor/actress with a role to play.

        "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players they have their exits and their entrances;"
        -- Shakespeare

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          imrankhawaja
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          If God's will come before your free will, then you actually don't have a free will.

          philosophy and religion always put forth the ideas and concepts related with this particular issue what we know as free-will..
          sometimes both religion and philosophers give theories against each other..

          moreover interpreters also interpret things in such a way that READER can easily get confuse about that concept.

          that concept is bit hard to understand seems author of Quran also struggle understanding it..

          763 We have shown him the way, whether he be grateful or ungrateful.
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          14.4 Then ALLAH leaves to go astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Mighty, the Wise..

          so even with QURAN we cannot come to final solution about freewill..

          EVEN science cant really explain freewill or do we have freewill.. peace

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            Lost
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            We are merely the product of our environment. Free will is a pure illusion.

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              good_logic
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              It depends what one perception of "free will" is?

              1-We are born humans, or have we chosen to be humans? It seems we were created humans as far as we know, we had no choice.

              2- Neither did we choose when and where we are born!!!

              3-We cannot even change anything of our universe or earth. We are confined to these surroundings only. No choice here either.

              So far we find ourselves humans here on earth. From this starting point one can say I have free will to lead my life as I choose, or can they?

              Therefore "free will" as far as we are concerned only entails our choices and decisions as humans.

              Then there are all sorts of exceptions and events that shape our choices and decisions. Some are slaves to systems/others and are forced to choose and decide according to their masters. Or is this false?

              Does one need to free themselves first from situations and systems? Can one have human"free will" only after working/finding a way for it? How?

              We have different experiences and ways that it depends on where our mind and deep conviction are at and what attitude of mind have we attained at certain age/time.
              i.e free will either exist or does not exist . It depends who you are and where you are in the journey of life..
              GOD bless.
              Peace.

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                spodacus
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                Salam Sarah,

                The way I see it is that we have three fixed points in life. The day we are born, the day we die, and the Day we meet our Lord. The paths we take between these points is undecided. Yes Allah swt would have the ability to see the infinite number of decisions and consequences we are able to take every microsecond of life, yet He has established a reality for us with the freedom to maneuver along the path as we want without any major interference. In that sense we have free will.

                Additionally my thoughts are that we do not have the mental functions to understand the will of God. His decision to create life, create a reward and punishment system would require us to process a near infinite number of variables in order to fully understand. The human mind can only process 3-5 variables before we lose the ability to understand a subject. Hence why we use computer modeling to simplify natural phenomenas.

                To fully understand the ultimate truth is to first understand the limitations of the human mind.

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                  TheUnseenLight
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                  No where in the Quran states that we have this idea of "Free-Will", actually the opposite...

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                  For whoever wills among you to take a straight way.

                  After reading verse 28, one may get the impression that we possess this "free-will" as if we have this power that is separated from our Creator, but the following verse destroys such thinking...

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                  And not you will except that wills Allah, Lord (of) the worlds.

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                    God knows what we do not know. It is not our place to question, but to hear and obey, trusting God.

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                      And if their aversion has become too much for you, then perhaps you could make a tunnel in the earth, or a ladder to the heavens, and bring them a sign. Had God willed, He would have gathered them to the guidance; so do not be of the ignorant ones.

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