Jesus Christ vs Issa ibn Mariam
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imrankhawaja
I have just summarised the forensic analysis of a Christian historian, he convinced me with rationales, not just statements by theologians.
It came as a shock to me as I accepted the word of theologians that Jesus Christ of AD 20 was Issa ibn Mariam -
Qur'an also validates this as you can read from my above summary.
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theNabster, I don't mean to derail the primary subject of this thread. I wanted to get your opinion on present day 'Mecca.' What do you make of it? Do you believe this is where the Prophet (S) is from and where the Hajj should be conducted? Look forward to hearing your reply InshaAllah.
Also, if you have any links/books, that'd be great as well.
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I m still debating with myself about where the original Becca was,
I do not believe it is present day Mecca,
it was probably in Asir or further south as most Prophets & Messengers originate from there & close around,
also of note that Ka'aba is a natural angular mound Abraham was asked to build an altar on its foundation for worship, not a man made cube like the one in Mecca,
& cubes built by Arabs were Jinn cubes, not for Monotheist worship, but maybe to appease demons,
also the bad connotations of Saturn cult with seven circumambulation around a black stone (Cybelle's greek myth, etc) , the black son of Satan coming from an unholy matrimony with Allat Mannat & Uzzat, etc...
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Jesus can be a pagan god, that could be later, associated with some real history too. Father, Mother Son stories are natural evolution of seeing god and seen in sects of many religions, where Mother is often seen as fertility symbol or the source of the different requirements and blessings of human life, often linked with the earth/angels/Malaikah, the Father the ultimate source of everything and given the highest infinite symbol, and to the son the happenings/events/objects of the real world that makes one understand the ultimate source and all the rituals of worship linked to the son.
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I m still debating with myself about where the original Becca was,
I do not believe it is present day Mecca,whats bout PETRA ? its also a good candidate ?
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Peace. Dan Gibson was paid to "write" most of his materials/books by Christian missionaries.
His work is a lot of "theorising" and doctored facts about early Islam.
Like
Scandal Muslim Ends Jay Smith’s Career – Was Petra The Original Qibla? Speakers Corner Debate
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUU9LAOQZPk&t=5s
In this case the evidence was doctored. No evidence whatsoever/
GOD bless .
Peace. -
Idols are of Satan, they lead to perdition.
Yes sure, but deserved has to be given its/their due credit? Like we thanking our mother, a helping friend, a guide, the earth that supports us and many others we feel so and its our duty, and ultimately the source will be happy.
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Yes sure, but deserved has to be given its/their due credit? Like we thanking our mother, a helping friend, a guide, the earth that supports us and many others we feel so and its our duty, and ultimately the source will be happy.
All Allah's Creation - you can thank someone directly verbally. & the best thanks are praying for them, helping them & supporting them.
Why should you thank inanimate objects? Thank allah who made them.
Why would I thank Satan whose purpose is to destroy me & humanity? -
Extra notes copied & pasted from my Twitter feeds to articulate further what I said earlier -
Currently reading
Who was JESUS? Conspiracy in Jerusalem - by Kamal S. Salibi
& I cannot unread it, the logic is brutal, I am not a Christian, but even to me it was shocking. Will soon debrief slowly when I finish reading, might need to reread it - uses Bible, Qur'an & records.Small summary Issa ibn Miriam =/= Jesus Christ , part of Issa ibn Miriam history used over Jesus Christ, Jesus has father, brothers, was crucified, was a freedom fighter against Rome, Paul went to Yemen to collect info on Issa son of Mary which he used to make Jesus holy...
so everything prophetic happened in Yemen & SW Arabia/Hejaz, Issa ibn Miriam over 200 years older than Jesus Christ who was no prophet nor messenger, but a Jewish Rabbi who fought against Rome, he probably also followed Torah.
Still struggling with this, Jerusalem in ME copycat.So Jesus Christ special status fabricated by so called apostles/followers, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, his brother James, Peter, Paul all co-conspirators projecting Issa ibn Miriam onto Jesus Christ.
Issa was never crucified nor killed, Jesus was crucified & killed... #conspiracyTherefore all gospels collected in Palestine fabrication projecting Issa ibn Miriam onto Jesus Christ, making Jesus Christ a vessel whom Paul used with Emperor Constantine to deploy Christian doctrine of trinity, son of god, etc.
After that Jerusalem has little holiness left.This will be very challenging to Christians, Muslims who relied on Christian records & even to an Arab Jew like me who accepted the Muslim/Christian status quo consensus.
At the time of Mohamed, in Arabia, Christians in Arabia had access to the true Gospel/Injeel of the Nassara followers of Issa son of Mary, that scripture in parchments form seems to have disappeared, maybe destroyed or in possession of Vatican...
I can no longer defend Palestine on the basis of theology, but on the basis of freedom fighting of a subjugated people.
Both Jerusalem & Jesus Christ today are not holy.
Original Jerusalem was in Asir, no longer exists.
Original son of Mary, Messiah, Word of God not Jesus.New Testament nothing to do with original gospel/injeel revealed to Messiah Issa ibn Miriam, though it uses history stolen from Yemen of Issa, & resources from OT to make Jesus Christ holy. They also claim Jesus Christ is descendant of David, whereas Issa descendant of Aaron.
Qur'an did not challenge this because the Nassara in Hejaz were using the true Gospel revealed to Issa ibn Miriam, not the fake gospels circulating in Rome/Palestine.
A posit is that initial followers of Issa moved to Najran, Yemen, & were burnt in a holocaust by Jews there.Pharisees in Palestine insisted Jesus be crucified, as failed in Yemen to crucify true Messiah Issa ibn Miriam, they forced Pilate's hand who ordered his crucifixion, so ensuring birth of Christianity thereof.
Thus both OT & NT tampered with & only Qur'an can correct records.Another posit is maybe Jesus Christ was a follower descendant of Nassara followers of true Messiah Issa ibn Miriam, & was preaching God's Gospel as Issa did, indeed some records attest Jesus Christ carried parchments with him, which might be Gospel fragments in his possession.
Who Was Jesus? Conspiracy in Jerusalem - Kamal Salibi via @Google https//g.co/kgs/rz1b7c
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Joshua was Jesus
Jesus is the nephew of Moses and he has come to earth much earlier than you think.
The Yusha/Joshua mentioned in the False Torah(hadith book) is actually Isa/Jesus.
I showed this in my Turkish article
http//emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2018/03/isa-peygamber-musa-ve-harun.html
I said that Jesus/Joshua is the nephew of Moses and he lived in much older times than your think. And he was born in Ancient Egypt..
The pharaohons had a culture of cross-hands and feet. (and cutting theme with X shape/crosswise).
The stories of Osiris and Horus were inspired by the life of Jesus. Because Jesus lived in an age before.
Unfortunately, people always do what they do. They paganized the life story of the Prophet. Christianity was also created based on this story after centuries.
So, only Quran gives us real datas again.
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Salam
Update
Updated work of Kamal Salibi which received his endorsement weeks before his demise now completed & published first in “The Mecca Bible”
& in the soon to be released “The Messiah of Mecca”, God willing.
First is available from Amazon in e-pub & paperback forms.
@X @inabsterhttps//twitter.com/Bill_Grau2020/status/1773194049354174905
https//twitter.com/Bill_Grau2020/status/1773194049354174905/photo/1
The hardback of the book “The Mecca Bible” is also available to UK customers through @AmazonUK - posting details here
https//amazon.co.uk/Mecca-Bible-Treasured-History-Ancient-ebook/dp/B0CTVWV3XB
https//pic.twitter.com/2ka9shdAna
https//pic.twitter.com/ShalFpGVpa
https//pic.twitter.com/FQ2zLeXN5N
I might put up a new thread as I believe this is an important book shedding light on geo-temporal positioning of Prophets & Messengers in the Old Testament/Tanakh/Torah/Qur'an.
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No;
Jesus is Joshua/Isa.https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612492.msg442619#msg442619
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No;
Jesus is Joshua/Isa.https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612492.msg442619#msg442619
Issa ibn Mariam is perfectly described in Qur'an.
He is definitely not Jesus Christ described in the several gospels, 4 of the NT & Apocrypha.The posts are about conclusions in Kamal Salibi's work & the follow up by @YnWhq @MeccanThe on @X.
I'm not here to argue, just putting these works on display because I believe they have merit & are based on forensic analysis based on use of correct vowels which were removed by librarians scribes in charge of compilation of Tanach/Torah in Hebrew. If interested read/study the books.
End - Salam.
Nabil H @inabster @meNabster
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I didn't say it to argue either, I am sharing information.
Joshua in the false Torah is Jesus.
Peace
