People of the cave money
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Did anyone notice that in verses
وَكَذَٰلِكَ بَعَثْنَاهُمْ لِيَتَسَاءَلُوا بَيْنَهُمْ ۚ قَالَ قَائِلٌ مِّنْهُمْ كَمْ لَبِثْتُمْ ۖ قَالُوا لَبِثْنَا يَوْمًا أَوْ بَعْضَ يَوْمٍ ۚ قَالُوا رَبُّكُمْ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا لَبِثْتُمْ فَابْعَثُوا أَحَدَكُم بِوَرِقِكُمْ هَٰذِهِ إِلَى الْمَدِينَةِ فَلْيَنظُرْ أَيُّهَا أَزْكَىٰ طَعَامًا فَلْيَأْتِكُم بِرِزْقٍ مِّنْهُ وَلْيَتَلَطَّفْ وَلَا يُشْعِرَنَّ بِكُمْ أَحَدًا - 1819
The underlined word is translated as silver And similarly, We awakened them that they might question one another. Said a speaker from among them, "How long have you remained ?" They said, "We have remained a day or part of a day." They said, "Your Lord is most knowing of how long you remained. So send one of you with this silver coin of yours to the city and let him look to which is the best of food and bring you provision from it and let him be cautious. And let no one be aware of you.While in Arabic it actually means your paper, does this mean that people used paper notes before even the Quran or was the word for silver in Arabic changed
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How did you deduce "wariq" means paper?
http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=wrq#(181923)
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
Waw-Ra-Qaf = to put forth leaves. waraqun is both sing. and pl. and is substantive noun from the verb waraqa. auraaq al-rajulu - the man became rich. warqun - leaves, foliage, sheet of paper, sheet of metal, coinage, wealth, prime and freshness of a thing, young lads of a community, beauty of a thing.waraq n.m. (f. s. waraqah) 659, 722, 20121
wariq n.m. 1819
Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 305, 306 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=wrq
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Peace All.
For sure "Waraq" does not mean silver coin. But it can mean paper/other parchment money or just money.
I do not see the issue in the verse.
The exact dates and origins of paper money aren't known but its use can be documented as far back as 1400 years ago in China.
Money was first printed in 1690 in the United States of America.That does not mean there was no paper money during the era of the story?
GOD bless.
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Just goes to show how verses are being changed when translated to English, we use t9 think the Chinese were the first to use paper money but this verse changes everything except if waraq actually meant silver but then the meaning changed with time to paper
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http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=wrq#(181923 how come all the other three occurrence of waraq mean leaves but the one in kahaf suddenly means silver coin
Peace Everyone….
Interesting point… May be (Someone12’s) concern is reasonable….Why all leaves in other instances and why not here… but in quran most often meaning of a word go to a pattern .. Unless the meaning of same words suits entirely contrary to common meaning… But I suggest considering this…
1809 “Or have you thought that the companions of the cave and the INSCRIPTION were, among Our signs, a wonder?
To be honest, we cannot deduce when and where in fact this true incident took place (that needs another nail biting research to discover paper money scenario…. But at least we can deduce that this was before the time of Quran’s revelation…
As our Sister Huruf pointed out Barter was very common in the ancient time.. until the advent of coin and paper money… probably still around… (lanka exchange Tea to Oil with Iran..lol.. lol)
Why can’t we assume that they had something reasonably valuable INSCRIPTION/s (could be even drawings , etc etc.. not an issue something on a paper or leaves) which they wanted to exchange for food which in the end exposed themselves of being in sleep for 300 + years…
For me also it sounds bit bizarre to translate it as silver coin but i don't say NO…. Need research..oops.. missed out one point.. just note the four instances of waraq .. one being feminine... while inscription being opposite and ...
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How did you deduce "wariq" means paper?
http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=wrq#(181923)
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
Waw-Ra-Qaf = to put forth leaves. waraqun is both sing. and pl. and is substantive noun from the verb waraqa. auraaq al-rajulu - the man became rich. warqun - leaves, foliage, sheet of paper, sheet of metal, coinage, wealth, prime and freshness of a thing, young lads of a community, beauty of a thing.waraq n.m. (f. s. waraqah) 659, 722, 20121
wariq n.m. 1819
Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 305, 306 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=wrq
peace, correct -- see pronunciation (same root); type each use speaker https//translate.google.com
وَرَقِ waraqi/leaf (fathah - small line above letter represents short "a" sound)
وَرِقِ wariqi/silver (kasrah - small line below letter designates short "i" sound)
Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane
ورق
وَرِقٌ Silver, whether coined or not (AO, TA or coined dirhems; (S, K coined silver. (Mgh.) See عَيْنٌ. أَوْرَاق , pl. of وَرَقٌ, meaning أَحْدَاث see قَعْبٌ. وُرْقَةٌ Ash-colour. (Msb.) See سُمْرَةٌ. وَرِقَةٌ and وَرِيقَةٌ see وَارِقٌ. شَجَرٌ وَارِقٌ Trees having leaves (Msb شَجَرَةٌ وَارِقَةٌ (TA) and ↓ وَرِقَةٌ and ↓ وَرِيقَةٌ (S, K, TA) signify a tree having many leaves. (S, K, TA.) And شَجَرَةٌ وَارِقَةُ الظِّلَالِ .
Oldest manuscripts some diacritics unnecessary use context, cross-reference, etc.
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/18/vers/19?handschrift=281
https//i.postimg.cc/fyrDqcDY/ch18v17-23.jpg
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Peace noon
If you read the Quran you will know that many words are pronounced differently so that the Quran will be able to use the words without spoiling the rhythm/flow
wariq still means paper/leaves, apart from Quran translations of this verse everywhere you see wariq/waraq.
Silver in Arabic is فضة fidah
Like in وَيُطَافُ عَلَيْهِم بِآنِيَةٍ مِّن /فِضَّةٍ/ وَأَكْوَابٍ كَانَتْ قَوَارِيرَا - 7615
And there will be circulated among them vessels of /silver/and cups having been clear ,
وَلَوْلَا أَن يَكُونَ النَّاسُ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً لَّجَعَلْنَا لِمَن يَكْفُرُ بِالرَّحْمَٰنِ لِبُيُوتِهِمْ سُقُفًا مِّن /فِضَّةٍ/ وَمَعَارِجَ عَلَيْهَا يَظْهَرُونَ - 4333
And if it were not that the people would become one community , We would have made for those who disbelieve in the Most Merciful - for their houses - ceilings and stairways of /silver/ upon which to mount
A word can't mean suddenly transforms to another word that means something else just once.
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wariq still means paper/leaves, apart from Quran translations of this verse everywhere you see wariq/waraq.
Silver in Arabic is فضة fidah
peace someone, for usage do search ورق hadith https//sunnah.com/
~12 of 152 with fathah waraqi/leaves, ~140 with kasrah wariqi/silver
likewise, ورق and فضه used interchangeably https//sunnah.com/urn/413500
وَحَدَّثَنِي عَنْ مَالِكٍ، عَنْ يَحْيَى بْنِ سَعِيدٍ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ سَعِيدَ بْنَ الْمُسَيَّبِ، يَقُولُ قَطْعُ الذَّهَبِ وَالْوَرِقِ مِنَ الْفَسَادِ فِي الأَرْضِ . قَالَ مَالِكٌ وَلاَ بَأْسَ أَنْ يَشْتَرِيَ الرَّجُلُ الذَّهَبَ بِالْفِضَّةِ وَالْفِضَّةَ بِالذَّهَبِ جِزَافًا إِذَا كَانَ تِبْرًا أَوْ حَلْيًا قَدْ صِيغَ فَأَمَّا الدَّرَاهِمُ الْمَعْدُودَةُ وَالدَّنَانِيرُ الْمَعْدُودَةُ فَلاَ يَنْبَغِي لأَحَدٍ أَنْ يَشْتَرِيَ ذَلِكَ جِزَافًا حَتَّى يُعْلَمَ وَيُعَدَّ فَإِنِ اشْتُرِيَ ذَلِكَ جِزَافًا فَإِنَّمَا يُرَادُ بِهِ الْغَرَرُ حِينَ يُتْرَكُ عَدُّهُ وَيُشْتَرَى جِزَافًا وَلَيْسَ هَذَا مِنْ بُيُوعِ الْمُسْلِمِينَ فَأَمَّا مَا كَانَ يُوزَنُ مِنَ التِّبْرِ وَالْحَلْىِ فَلاَ بَأْسَ أَنْ يُبَاعَ ذَلِكَ جِزَافًا وَإِنَّمَا ابْتِيَاعُ ذَلِكَ جِزَافًا كَهَيْئَةِ الْحِنْطَةِ وَالتَّمْرِ وَنَحْوِهِمَا مِنَ الأَطْعِمَةِ الَّتِي تُبَاعُ جِزَافًا وَمِثْلُهَا يُكَالُ فَلَيْسَ بِابْتِيَاعِ ذَلِكَ جِزَافًا بَأْسٌ . قَالَ مَالِكٌ مَنِ اشْتَرَى مُصْحَفًا أَوْ سَيْفًا أَوْ خَاتَمًا وَفِي شَىْءٍ مِنْ ذَلِكَ ذَهَبٌ أَوْ فِضَّةٌ بِدَنَانِيرَ أَوْ دَرَاهِمَ فَإِنَّ مَا اشْتُرِيَ مِنْ ذَلِكَ وَفِيهِ الذَّهَبُ بِدَنَانِيرَ فَإِنَّهُ يُنْظَرُ إِلَى قِيمَتِهِ فَإِنْ كَانَتْ قِيمَةُ ذَلِكَ الثُّلُثَيْنِ وَقِيمَةُ مَا فِيهِ مِنَ الذَّهَبِ الثُّلُثَ فَذَلِكَ جَائِزٌ لاَ بَأْسَ بِهِ إِذَا كَانَ ذَلِكَ يَدًا بِيَدٍ وَلاَ يَكُونُ فِيهِ تَأْخِيرٌ وَمَا اشْتُرِيَ مِنْ ذَلِكَ بِالْوَرِقِ مِمَّا فِيهِ الْوَرِقُ نُظِرَ إِلَى قِيمَتِهِ فَإِنْ كَانَ قِيمَةُ ذَلِكَ الثُّلُثَيْنِ وَقِيمَةُ مَا فِيهِ مِنَ الْوَرِقِ الثُّلُثَ فَذَلِكَ جَائِزٌ لاَ بَأْسَ بِهِ إِذَا كَانَ ذَلِكَ يَدًا بِيَدٍ وَلَمْ يَزَلْ ذَلِكَ مِنْ أَمْرِ النَّاسِ عِنْدَنَا .
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peace someone, for usage do search ورق hadith https//sunnah.com/
~12 of 152 with fathah waraqi/leaves, ~140 with kasrah wariqi/silver
likewise, ورق and فضه used interchangeably https//sunnah.com/urn/413500
وَحَدَّثَنِي عَنْ مَالِكٍ، عَنْ يَحْيَى بْنِ سَعِيدٍ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ سَعِيدَ بْنَ الْمُسَيَّبِ، يَقُولُ قَطْعُ الذَّهَبِ وَالْوَرِقِ مِنَ الْفَسَادِ فِي الأَرْضِ . قَالَ مَالِكٌ وَلاَ بَأْسَ أَنْ يَشْتَرِيَ الرَّجُلُ الذَّهَبَ بِالْفِضَّةِ وَالْفِضَّةَ بِالذَّهَبِ جِزَافًا إِذَا كَانَ تِبْرًا أَوْ حَلْيًا قَدْ صِيغَ فَأَمَّا الدَّرَاهِمُ الْمَعْدُودَةُ وَالدَّنَانِيرُ الْمَعْدُودَةُ فَلاَ يَنْبَغِي لأَحَدٍ أَنْ يَشْتَرِيَ ذَلِكَ جِزَافًا حَتَّى يُعْلَمَ وَيُعَدَّ فَإِنِ اشْتُرِيَ ذَلِكَ جِزَافًا فَإِنَّمَا يُرَادُ بِهِ الْغَرَرُ حِينَ يُتْرَكُ عَدُّهُ وَيُشْتَرَى جِزَافًا وَلَيْسَ هَذَا مِنْ بُيُوعِ الْمُسْلِمِينَ فَأَمَّا مَا كَانَ يُوزَنُ مِنَ التِّبْرِ وَالْحَلْىِ فَلاَ بَأْسَ أَنْ يُبَاعَ ذَلِكَ جِزَافًا وَإِنَّمَا ابْتِيَاعُ ذَلِكَ جِزَافًا كَهَيْئَةِ الْحِنْطَةِ وَالتَّمْرِ وَنَحْوِهِمَا مِنَ الأَطْعِمَةِ الَّتِي تُبَاعُ جِزَافًا وَمِثْلُهَا يُكَالُ فَلَيْسَ بِابْتِيَاعِ ذَلِكَ جِزَافًا بَأْسٌ . قَالَ مَالِكٌ مَنِ اشْتَرَى مُصْحَفًا أَوْ سَيْفًا أَوْ خَاتَمًا وَفِي شَىْءٍ مِنْ ذَلِكَ ذَهَبٌ أَوْ فِضَّةٌ بِدَنَانِيرَ أَوْ دَرَاهِمَ فَإِنَّ مَا اشْتُرِيَ مِنْ ذَلِكَ وَفِيهِ الذَّهَبُ بِدَنَانِيرَ فَإِنَّهُ يُنْظَرُ إِلَى قِيمَتِهِ فَإِنْ كَانَتْ قِيمَةُ ذَلِكَ الثُّلُثَيْنِ وَقِيمَةُ مَا فِيهِ مِنَ الذَّهَبِ الثُّلُثَ فَذَلِكَ جَائِزٌ لاَ بَأْسَ بِهِ إِذَا كَانَ ذَلِكَ يَدًا بِيَدٍ وَلاَ يَكُونُ فِيهِ تَأْخِيرٌ وَمَا اشْتُرِيَ مِنْ ذَلِكَ بِالْوَرِقِ مِمَّا فِيهِ الْوَرِقُ نُظِرَ إِلَى قِيمَتِهِ فَإِنْ كَانَ قِيمَةُ ذَلِكَ الثُّلُثَيْنِ وَقِيمَةُ مَا فِيهِ مِنَ الْوَرِقِ الثُّلُثَ فَذَلِكَ جَائِزٌ لاَ بَأْسَ بِهِ إِذَا كَانَ ذَلِكَ يَدًا بِيَدٍ وَلَمْ يَزَلْ ذَلِكَ مِنْ أَمْرِ النَّاسِ عِنْدَنَا .
Salam!
I think dirham and dinar were coins while WRQ or فضۃ were not coin. In subcontinent thin layers of gold and silver are used on sweets and desserts which are called سونے کا ورق and چاندی کا ورق respectively. Since Urdu language has a large number of words taken from Arabic, therefore, hope it may be a hint.
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