What does changing the creation of God mean
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Then they are not looking at contexts!
So who invented the titles and when?
GOD bless you.
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Salam.brother.
Eat means all food including bird, otherwise the exceptions would have been given with" eat what GOD has made lawful".Also if you do not know the history ,how can you be sure the "naming" was not done by instruction from prophet, like the arrangement of surahs?
GOD bless you.
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Salam.brother.
Eat means all food including bird, otherwise the exceptions would have been given with" eat what GOD has made lawful".Also if you do not know the history ,how can you be sure the "naming" was not done by instruction from prophet, like the arrangement of surahs?
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace mohamed..
In my personal view I don't think there is any harm having a chapter name merely to remember it.. It is like giving a number to chapter... God revealed it without chapter name for sure... Chapter names are not quran or part of quran... Some chapters have different chapter headings...
It's almost like... God created this Earth... People named Misr Madyan Rome etc... There is no harm.. Just to identify.. Different community may give different heading...
God revealed by chapters.. No one can deny it.. If you read verses where chapter /sura apears yiu will grasp...For example if the heading is "Prophets" it is not necessary in it everything is about prophets... If the heading is "Cave" not necessarily whole chapter is about them.. People not prophet did name them for their convenience... What is the big issue with it folks?
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Peace jkhan.
You say,quotePeople not prophet did name them for their convenience... What is the big issue with it folks?
You are sure brother? Who named them? Or are you guessing? And what convenience?
GOD bless you.
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Peace jkhan.
You say,quotePeople not prophet did name them for their convenience... What is the big issue with it folks?
You are sure brother? Who named them? Or are you guessing? And what convenience?
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace brother...
Yes... I do... I am absolutely sure that prophet won't include anything to quran... He would have only writen ehat is delivered to him... Had he written anything away from what is delivered to him, then it will be quran... So had he written headings for chapters then it is part of quran and a real message from God... I won't trust it...
Second point I said people wrote it.. Do you need history and precise record for it? That's common sense... If not people then who... Jinn would have writen on it? Lol..just relax.. People have made ness of many things specially God revealed books in the past... They always need extra from what is revealed... So it is part of their work...
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Peace jkhan.
What is certain is that Qoran is divided into surahs. What is also certain is that the arrangement of the surahs is GOD guided.
Similarly titles at the beginning of surahs and the bismallah could also have been instructed with the arrangement, why not?
I do not see any motives for humans to give titles and not accept authorship of it. We could go on but like you say here, quoteIf not people and if it is the messenger then bring proof from history... Boy that need evidence.. And not my claim...
Both these need evidence. You also cannot be sure. For me titles are identities only. They serve to confirm the divide of surahs. The message is the most important. Titles do not change the message of Qoran.
GOD bless you.
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I quoted it wrongly (Reply #26), do not agree here
Eat means all food
All other occurrences of 'remember God’s name on it' (54, 6138, 2228,34,36) are clear that the contexts speak about ‘animals’ (including birds-54), hence it seems the verses 6118,119&121 also denotes the same, i.e. it’s not referring to all food. And most likely, all the above verses are referring the slaughter of animal (-clearly in 2236).
And this command(remember God’s name) didn’t come with/for other foods, because, there is no slaughtering involved!I understand 6118,119&121 as, an example/illustration for (53) 'وَمَا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ بِهِ'
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Peace Mohamed.
Eat means all food is general like here
16114
Therefore, you shall eat from God's provisions everything that is lawful and good, and be appreciative of God's blessings, if you do Ubudu Him alone.
فَكُلوا مِمّا رَزَقَكُمُ اللَّهُ حَلٰلًا طَيِّبًا وَاشكُروا نِعمَتَ اللَّهِ إِن كُنتُم إِيّاهُ تَعبُدونَ16115
He only prohibits for you dead animals, blood, the meat of pigs,* and food which is dedicated to other than God. If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
إِنَّما حَرَّمَ عَلَيكُمُ المَيتَةَ وَالدَّمَ وَلَحمَ الخِنزيرِ وَما أُهِلَّ لِغَيرِ اللَّهِ بِهِ فَمَنِ اضطُرَّ غَيرَ باغٍ وَلا عادٍ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفورٌ رَحيمٌ16116
You shall not utter lies with your own tongues stating "This is lawful, and this is unlawful," to fabricate lies and attribute them to God. Surely, those who fabricate lies and attribute them to God will never succeed.
وَلا تَقولوا لِما تَصِفُ أَلسِنَتُكُمُ الكَذِبَ هٰذا حَلٰلٌ وَهٰذا حَرامٌ لِتَفتَروا عَلَى اللَّهِ الكَذِبَ إِنَّ الَّذينَ يَفتَرونَ عَلَى اللَّهِ الكَذِبَ لا يُفلِحونَI do not see any slaughtering mentioned here..
Of course The context in the "Anaam" surah is a bit different.
But in general "eat" means all food.
GOD bless you.
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salaam good logic,
If you take the verses not for slaughtering/meat but for all food (including cereals, fruits, pulses etc.), how would you apply your understanding in 6121 ?
6121
“And do not eat from what God's name was not (has not been) remembered/mentioned on it, and that it truly is fisq..." -
Salam mohamed.
My take is that we thank the Lord-Remember GOD s name- on all food provided for us We are responsible for this not others.
So if I sit down to eat any food ,I start by thanking the Lord for providing for me.GOD bless you.
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6138 “And they say, "These animals and crops are forbidden; no one may eat from them except whom we will," by their claim. And there are those whose backs are forbidden and those upon which the name of Allah is not mentioned - an INVENTION of untruth about Him. He will punish them for what they were inventing.”
6119 “And why should you not eat of that upon which the name of Allah has been mentioned while He has explained in detail to you what He has FORBIDDEN YOU, excepting that to which you are compelled. And indeed do many lead astray through their inclinations without knowledge. Indeed, your Lord - He is most knowing of the transgressors.”
6145 Say, "I do not find within that which was revealed to me forbidden to one who would eat it unless it be a dead animal or blood spilled out or the flesh of swine - for indeed, it is impure - or it be disobedience, dedicated to other than Allah. But whoever is forced , neither desiring nor transgressing , then indeed, your Lord is Forgiving and Merciful."Peace… Mohamed & GL..
Totally off topic… but still explain my understanding and stance..
Just ensure to separate the actions of ‘Eating’ & ‘Slaughtering’ ……
Quran never gives a clear cut order when it comes to Slaughtering an animal that it is compulsory to mention the name of God… We know exception to this while in Haj it was ordered to mention the name of God when the cattle are in line… not for each and every one of them…
…. But totally contrary to that, God explains with explicit verse and orders us to mention the name of God before consume anything to our mouth… 6121 & 6119
I brought the above three verses to give a thought on it, perhaps you would get a clear picture if in case complicated or stuck …In the verse 6145 there is no way it is mentioned that forbidden for us to eat any food (including flesh) on which the name of God is NOT MENTIONED…So Name of God mentioning on animals while slaughtering is not obligatory for sure….. For example if anyone slaughtered an animal (with or without mentioning the name of God) and selling as meat and we can buy and eat without any doubt… Unless what God forbidden 04 items…
Further by verse 6138, it is very obvious that there is no such restriction from God that we should only eat (especially animal) if the name of God is mentioned… That’s mere invention…So in 6119 no one can ever say that God is referring only to animals, it refers to ALL Food which God has ALLOWED… So mention the name of God before Consume them… it is equal to thanking the God for providing the food for us….
But pls note that it is not imperative that we should mention the name of God before slaughtering any animal… No one can prove within the book that we should do so… That will be only invention…But if we mention with our habit before doing any action the name of God then there is no harm either… But No instruction from God though….Note verse 6119 meticulously…it says “why you should not eat upon which name of God is mentioned” and the verse continues “while God has explained in detailed what is forbidden… It means Eat all the food other than what is explained not to eat, but mention the name of God before eating on what is allowed to eat. Remember even if you happen to eat the forbidden 04 foods under compulsion, then you have to mention the name of God on it before eating them though they are listed forbidden…Coz those foods are allowed depending on your situation… So 6119 mentioning the name of God is explained only to what is fundamentally allowed… and 6121 is common (I mean to say any food fundamentally allowed or forbidden but allowed based on situation), but mention the name of God…
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Brother jkhan,are you not repeating what I said?
Eat means everything we eat.
GOD bless you.
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وَلَا تَأْكُلُوا (And do not eat)
=>2nd person masculine pluralلَمْ يُذْكَرِ (has not been remembered/mentioned)
=>3rd person masculine singular
And I would like to add rest of the verse 6121,
…and that the devils inspire/transmit to their patrons/supporters to argue/dispute with you, and if
you obeyed them, that you are (then) sharers/takers of partners (with God). -
وَلَا تَأْكُلُوا (And do not eat)
=>2nd person masculine pluralلَمْ يُذْكَرِ (has not been remembered/mentioned)
=>3rd person masculine singular
And I would like to add rest of the verse 6121,
…and that the devils inspire/transmit to their patrons/supporters to argue/dispute with you, and if
you obeyed them, that you are (then) sharers/takers of partners (with God).Peace GL...
I didn't see your response.. Once Mohamed's response pop up I saw...
If I am repeating what you say then Me and You are having the same stance or understanding in this case..
@mohamed..
I am not quite sure what is your understanding to date..
Are you saying below... ....** we should slaughter animals by mentioning the name of God.. If not not mentioned we should not eat..
** we should make sure any meat bought that God's name is mentioned before slaughtering it... Otherwise we should not buy them..
** or are you saying we don't need to say the name of God before slaughtering but enough while eating... Kindly respond ...
You may be knowing the severity of the verse.. God says we can end up as mushrik.. Either with knowledge or without.. So in this case we all believers can only converge to only one understanding.. If we are with difference of opinion then either of the group is mushrik.. By this I don't say I am on the right side.. May Allah guide me...@everyone...
I have a concern.. When I asked many people about the verse " dedicated to other than Allah" they have the opinion that animals sacrificed by mentioning the name of any other god/s.. And eating such meat...
But I do strongly believe that it is not animals but any allowed food...other then four forbidden..
For example.. It can be any such food those who dedicate in front of their god's statues totally dedicating to them.. And then bring them and distribute to people... Such foods I used to get once my friends do visit their respective religious places.. They dedicate and prepare food and submit to their lords and bring portion of it and with happiness they give to loved ones and friends.. It's so tricky but I still believe we should avoid such food.. Coz it is dedicated... Just don't hurt them.. Take it and don't eat and give to some who is not believer or animal.. I may look rude but.. What else to do.. It's so unpleasant to say them that I can't eat it coz my Lord says so..
Can anyone say what is it that is dedicated to other than Allah...?
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@everyone...
I have a concern.. When I asked many people about the verse " dedicated to other than Allah" they have the opinion that animals sacrificed by mentioning the name of any other god/s.. And eating such meat...
But I do strongly believe that it is not animals but any allowed food...other then four forbidden..
For example.. It can be any such food those who dedicate in front of their god's statues totally dedicating to them.. And then bring them and distribute to people... Such foods I used to get once my friends do visit their respective religious places.. They dedicate and prepare food and submit to their lords and bring portion of it and with happiness they give to loved ones and friends.. It's so tricky but I still believe we should avoid such food.. Coz it is dedicated... Just don't hurt them.. Take it and don't eat and give to some who is not believer or animal.. I may look rude but.. What else to do.. It's so unpleasant to say them that I can't eat it coz my Lord says so..
Can anyone say what is it that is dedicated to other than Allah...?
I wanted to open a different topic but I hope let it be under this..Further concern is, if Uhilla (dedicated) to other than Allah is forbidden, then does it mean we can dedicate to Allah? What actually DEDICATE to allah means when it comes to food? Strangely i noticed in four occasions this 'Uhilla' is mentioned (53, 6145, 16115) and 2173.... only in 2173 it is mentioned in different way 'Uhillah Bihi Lighairillah' but in other three occasions 'Uhilla Lighairilla bihi'..
What is this dedicate?