New article: salat timings as per The Quran
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Peace jkhan.
First in general, and n short, we are free to take or leave GOD s deen. GOD does not force us.
However ,people make a problem for themselves by conforming to things they doubt or do not make sense to them.
Your decision alone is required ,nobody else will bare your burden whether you rely on them or not.
GOD guides and teaches all the true believers.Coming back to "The Salat" , I have spent years investigating many views, especially those views from the specific "Qoran alone" brothers and sistyers. All asking " where can I find how and when to do "The Salat" from Qoran?. Yet after giving their views most fail to find the meaning and details of their claims using Qoran, which they were asking the exact thing in the first place.
The only exception that had a solid argument that was coherent and used all Qoran in context about "the salat" was this-according to my research-
https//submission.org/Where_can_we_find_Salah.htmlThe questions from everyone will keep coming about "The salat like
I wonder why not the two named Salats? Why 3 0r 5 ...etc?
I wonder if someone has no limbs ,how they going to do it?.
I wonder if someone has an emergency to attend or forgets... , how are they going to do it?.
I wonder if someone is on the moon, how are they going to do it.?
I wonder if someone is at the north pole, how are they going to do it?
...etc.
All these have been taken care of in Qoran, if one is not capable or enable to be on earth or...Then they are excused. They do it in their head if they can or not at all. GOD is forgiver most merciful.The deen is not about rules and regulations ,it is about intentions , good morals and good work first and foremost.
The other helping items are there for the ones that can.. Each needs to follow GOD s instructions to the best of their abilities.
We cannot fool GOD or look for excuses. GOD is aware of each one of us . whether we are capable, where we are and whether we hear and obey him .
Or do you think we are left without GOD distinguishing our honesty and true intentions? Therefore you do what you can to the best of your knowledge!"The Salat" , sawm, Zakat, ...etc are a helping hand from GOD to grow our souls more for thiose who wish to come even closer to GOD.
Our views, can only look "without errors" to us, Each thinking that their " cleverness and logic of their Qoran study" has worked.
GOD s logic is not our logic, that is why GOD keeps sending messengers.
Is there more to come from Qoran?
I will say yes ,until GOD decides the end for all of us
If you want to do "the salat" search for your own version or carry on with what you have. You have the means to decide for yourself..
And of course one should never give up searching and trying.
GOD bless you all.
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Peace jkhan.
First in general, and n short, we are free to take or leave GOD s deen. GOD does not force us.
However ,people make a problem for themselves by conforming to things they doubt or do not make sense to them.
Your decision alone is required ,nobody else will bare your burden whether you rely on them or not.
GOD guides and teaches all the true believers.Coming back to "The Salat" , I have spent years investigating many views, especially those views from the specific "Qoran alone" brothers and sistyers. All asking " where can I find how and when to do "The Salat" from Qoran?. Yet after giving their views most fail to find the meaning and details of their claims using Qoran, which they were asking the exact thing in the first place.
The only exception that had a solid argument that was coherent and used all Qoran in context about "the salat" was this-according to my research-
https//submission.org/Where_can_we_find_Salah.htmlThe questions from everyone will keep coming about "The salat like
I wonder why not the two named Salats? Why 3 0r 5 ...etc?
I wonder if someone has no limbs ,how they going to do it?.
I wonder if someone has an emergency to attend or forgets... , how are they going to do it?.
I wonder if someone is on the moon, how are they going to do it.?
I wonder if someone is at the north pole, how are they going to do it?
...etc.
All these have been taken care of in Qoran, if one is not capable or enable to be on earth or...Then they are excused. They do it in their head if they can or not at all. GOD is forgiver most merciful.The deen is not about rules and regulations ,it is about intentions , good morals and good work first and foremost.
The other helping items are there for the ones that can.. Each needs to follow GOD s instructions to the best of their abilities.
We cannot fool GOD or look for excuses. GOD is aware of each one of us . whether we are capable, where we are and whether we hear and obey him .
Or do you think we are left without GOD distinguishing our honesty and true intentions? Therefore you do what you can to the best of your knowledge!"The Salat" , sawm, Zakat, ...etc are a helping hand from GOD to grow our souls more for thiose who wish to come even closer to GOD.
Our views, can only look "without errors" to us, Each thinking that their " cleverness and logic of their Qoran study" has worked.
GOD s logic is not our logic, that is why GOD keeps sending messengers.
Is there more to come from Qoran?
I will say yes ,until GOD decides the end for all of us
If you want to do "the salat" search for your own version or carry on with what you have. You have the means to decide for yourself..
And of course one should never give up searching and trying.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.Peace...
Thank you...
If what is written in the link is sufficient and satisfactory for you to perform five salat a day then keep doing... For me not at all..
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Thank you jkhan.
May GOD also help you through these trying times of the world. and keep you guided.
GOD bless you.
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In the name of God
Peace wakas, peace all
The only verses which mention salat alongside a timing component are 11114, 1778, 2458 and possibly 7320.
i dont agree with this, i think this three verses also reffers to which we call salat/prayer
فَاصْبِرْ عَلَىٰ مَا يَقُولُونَ وَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ وَقَبْلَ غُرُوبِهَا ۖ وَمِنْ آنَاءِ اللَّيْلِ فَسَبِّحْ وَأَطْرَافَ النَّهَارِ لَعَلَّكَ تَرْضَىٰi(i impile that it refers to which we call fajr prayer(قبل طلوع الشمس) maghrib prayer(قبل غروبها) esha prayer(وَمِنْ آنَاءِ اللَّيْلِ), also i think اطراف النهار defined in the two verse that i will write below)
فَسُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ حِينَ تُمْسُونَ وَحِينَ تُصْبِحُونَ , i think تمسون=When you enter evening , as i know evening means مساء ... im not wrong , am i? So this verse refers to fajr and evening
And
وَلَهُ الْحَمْدُ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَعَشِيًّا وَحِينَ تُظْهِرُونَ
i prefer تظهرون=When you enter noon(mid day)
So i think this verse is about esha and noon prayer
That was my impression.... im a muslim who only follows quran, and before it i was shia(not sunni, as you might think that my impression that prayers is 5 times is because of my sunni background)
Peace handshake
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It's been almost 2 1/2 years and no-one has brought forth any error.
One member did message me with a spelling error. They didn't want compensation for it.
I have increased it to $250 USD per error/flaw. (article has been updated)
Background
https//mypercept.co.uk/articles/salat-timings-Quran.html
What are examples of errors
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610966.msg428541#msg428541
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610977.msg433350#msg433350 -
It's been almost 2 1/2 years and no-one has brought forth any error.
One member did message me with a spelling error. They didn't want compensation for it.
I have increased it to $250 USD per error/flaw. (article has been updated)
Background
https//mypercept.co.uk/articles/salat-timings-Quran.html
What are examples of errors
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610966.msg428541#msg428541
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610977.msg433350#msg433350A human without error.. Lol.. You dreaming brother Waqas..
See Point No. 05 ..correct spelling Remembrance and not rememberance..Meanwhile where it mentioned in Quran night optional vigil for believers?
I have no time these otherwise I would have found.. But even we find you are the judge.. Would that work.. Lol
I won't say NO to 250USD/error flaw coz the country I live in fact need inflate of Dollars... Well let's see..
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Thanks for that spelling correction. That is not the type of error examples I cited but technically it is an error so I think compensation is due at the previous rate of $100 USD. I have sent you a personal message.
I think going forward I will clarify that spelling errors do not count towards an error because it is not an error/flaw in the argument.
And with regard to your question
Meanwhile where it mentioned in Quran night optional vigil for believers?
The verses I use are mentioned in the article. I only mention 7 verses..... is that too many for people to check? If so, I even state exactly which ones. It's almost as if you didn't read the article properly. Did you just run it through spellcheck?
And lastly, with regard to your somewhat disrespectful comment of "A human without error.. Lol.. You dreaming brother Waqas." - it pains me to point out the blatantly obvious, but posting a challenge such as this does not imply my article is perfect or I am perfect, but it implies the quality is of a high standard that I can be confident the challenge will be difficult. It's been 2 1/2 yrs..... and I'm still waiting.
In any case it should be obvious from my disclaimer that I post everywhere what I think about my analysis. Said it right from the start
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7805.msg13239#msg13239 -
Thanks for that spelling correction. That is not the type of error examples I cited but technically it is an error so I think compensation is due at the previous rate of $100 USD. I have sent you a personal message.
I think going forward I will clarify that spelling errors do not count towards an error because it is not an error/flaw in the argument.
And with regard to your question
The verses I use are mentioned in the article. I only mention 7 verses..... is that too many for people to check? If so, I even state exactly which ones. It's almost as if you didn't read the article properly. Did you just run it through spellcheck?And lastly, with regard to your somewhat disrespectful comment of "A human without error.. Lol.. You dreaming brother Waqas." - it pains me to point out the blatantly obvious, but posting a challenge such as this does not imply my article is perfect or I am perfect, but it implies the quality is of a high standard that I can be confident the challenge will be difficult. It's been 2 1/2 yrs..... and I'm still waiting.
In any case it should be obvious from my disclaimer that I post everywhere what I think about my analysis. Said it right from the start
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7805.msg13239#msg13239Peace bro..
U was just kidding.. And I was curious.. No I don't need such money..
If you don't mind and if you can, kindly give to someone or some people sleeping on the streets nearby to you as food and not as money.. Allah bless you for that let Allah write all the credit for you for that.
Thanks waqas..BTW @everyone I am happy with three Salat in life and that makes sense for me..
I prepared a video (extremely sorry for poor image quality) but hope can hear audio..https//youtu.be/a5J_va6pKic
Thanks...
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Peace brother Wakas.
I can see that you mean well and that you are making an effort to understand and study QoranI hope you do not mind me sharing some of my experience
I see Qoran as a living book. We can never say that we have grasped it fully , all we can say is" grant us more knowledge" and continue to strive to understand more and better with GOD s help.
Many things that I thought I understood in the past have been understood wrong ,but that does not mean I reached the best understanding . My mind is open and I keep pondering and learning more if GOD wills.
Let me give you one example about just one verse 314
Adorned for the people are the worldly pleasures, such as the NISSA and BANINE, and piles upon piles of gold and silver, trained horses, livestock, and crops. These are the MATERIALS of this world. A far better abode is reserved at God.
زُيِّنَ لِلنّاسِ حُبُّ الشَّهَوٰتِ مِنَ النِّساءِ وَالبَنينَ وَالقَنٰطيرِ المُقَنطَرَةِ مِنَ الذَّهَبِ وَالفِضَّةِ وَالخَيلِ المُسَوَّمَةِ وَالأَنعٰمِ وَالحَرثِ ذٰلِكَ مَتٰعُ الحَيوٰةِ الدُّنيا وَاللَّهُ عِندَهُ حُسنُ المَـٔابِMany translate NISSA as women and BANINE as children in the verse. Then it makes no sense at all Because NIssa as women and Banine as children are not materials of this world and GOD already have addressed the women and children at the start of the verse as AL NAAS .which includes men / all humans.
For me ,in this case NISSA is the plural of the word NASSII- A thing that we seek and wish/ expect to have. like for example all the new things that people desire/want to have according to the age gadgets and tools/ like phones/televisions,gadgets of our age for example. Also BANINE does not mean children here, but from BANNA -felt good to have/keep.This at least makes more sense to me and is consistent with Qoran s words and context and can match other similar verses. so I would understand the verse as follows
Adorned for the people are the worldly pleasures, such as new gadgets/tools/cars/etc, shows/entertainment/games..etc., piles upon piles of gold and silver, trained horses, livestock, and crops. These are the materials of this world. A far better abode is reserved at God.
زُيِّنَ لِلنّاسِ حُبُّ الشَّهَوٰتِ مِنَ النِّساءِ وَالبَنينَ وَالقَنٰطيرِ المُقَنطَرَةِ مِنَ الذَّهَبِ وَالفِضَّةِ وَالخَيلِ المُسَوَّمَةِ وَالأَنعٰمِ وَالحَرثِ ذٰلِكَ مَتٰعُ الحَيوٰةِ الدُّنيا وَاللَّهُ عِندَهُ حُسنُ المَـٔابِAnd it does not stop there. one keeps pondering and striving for better understanding. Or someone more knowledgeable will have a different and more suitable explanation. in the future.
We are all humble servants trying to understand something from the perfect being .GOD says
O you hidden secret.*.
يٰأَيُّهَا المُدَّثِّرُ
Come out and warn.
قُم فَأَنذِر
Extol your Lord.
وَرَبَّكَ فَكَبِّر
Purify your garment.
وَثِيابَكَ فَطَهِّر
Forsake what is wrong.
وَالرُّجزَ فَاهجُرQoran is live for each generation, and in this high tech generation the Qoran is coming out to warn , millions and millions are starting to ponder this book and the garnment/interpretations that was put on it by the older generations is being purified /improved by this generations and continues for the next generations.
We can never say never.
May the lord bless you and grant us all more knowledge.
Peace.
