Seeing spiritual world
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Salam
Throughout past years I've heard about some ulema, sufis, arifs, saints etc who were able to see spiritual world and people in their real form. I even know a very respected righteousnes person to whom this happened during hajj, but unfortunately It's not possible to talk to him. This is something that is really important for me and my faith, and I'm not asking out of curiosity (one thing in all these stories and confessions hurt me deeply). So please, if anyone knows someone who is into spirituality and can see humans in real shape let me know..or if you know some valid stories about it, let me know, it would mean a lot.
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It has to do with religious people who got purification and were able to see the reality of stuff. For example, they saw some bad person in an ugly shape (that person looked pretty in material world)
Salam,
Don't you find all this a bit prejudiced, partial, and kind of predetermination? "Good" people can be able to do bad things and "bad" people can be able to do good things given the circumstances. Some times there is a necessary evil... Sometimes you must hurt someone for his good so you look bad to that person while you are not. So good and bad are relative and arguable terms in many situations and then just someone claims (or not) he can actually see the "real" (?) stuff? Like there is an absolute and final "real" stuff?
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No, but if many pious people said to have seen the same thing.. it becomes difficult to just ignore these sayings.
It could easily be explained by a mental pathology or disorder and a previous common cultural / literacy / collective imagery reference leading to more than one person seeing the same. Just as many people have seen green aliens in flying saucers in different places, times and cultures.
Many pious people in Christian tradition had visions of Holy Mary and or other saints, and they were indeed pious. And so on in other religions, with their own signs and symbols. Does it mean something?
Then I do not know why I remembered this article. Feel free to ignore it
https//pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21725389/
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This epilepsy thing is one of those attributed to Muhammad by non believers in Qur'an revelation.
On the other hand, seeing, particularly when we talk about the arabic of root b-S-r, means seeing with the capacity of understanding not or not necessarily with the eyes. Summing up, it is a capacity to "see" beyond what you were able to "see" previously to that thing that you now "see". Take for instance a mathematical principle, it is an arkanum to you, but then, at some point, you grasp it, you get it, you understand it, it speaks to you, and you are iluminated, you just feel like indeed a big light has been made in front of your "eyes".
This spiritual thing, that the poster speaks about, is that kind of thing, "seeing", understnding, getting something you are not used to get and which speaks directly to you and MEANS.
There are different orders or realms that we may be able to "see", and, wonderfully, when we "see", it gives us peace. Of course, what you "see" is difficult to describe, because to transmit it, the hearer must have had some "vision" him or herself of something similar, that "en"lightening" that appears as a miracle almost.
That is THE LIGHT "God is the light of the heavens and the earth". You see God. Because The light is a name of God and there is no light that is not He.
We all get it in some degree, in fact, if we do get something, it is His light. No need to run about for spiritual en"lightening". It is with us if we care to take repose and wonder about anything. ¡Why! ¡How! ¡What! There is no separation between "matter" and "spirit". We are small and we reach to something, but not all, by far, but what we do "see" is the light. ¡Alhamdulilahi rabbul'alamiin!
Salaam
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Hi Huruf
Thank you for your reply, but I can't see how is that related to what I asked. You didn't understand my intention. I didn't say I want to get illuminated to see stuff, I said I have problem with what people saw when these spiritual eyes opened for them (from the stories and sayings I heard about). And I'm trying to see if there's any chance that it's not correct what they interpreted...
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I think Huruf is saying that the stories you heard about could mean that those people gained a better look at the world and at other people through understanding. That it is not something of the eye but rather of thoughtfulness and understanding and consideration etc.
This is why I have asked you to take some time to find out your own meaning for what is spiritual. Generally people associate spiritual to some kind of magic glowy white shape or whatever but it could be completely wrong. What if spirituality was something related to thoughtfulness, understanding, reasoning etc ?
As Bikrun said, people are neither good or bad, their actions are. But!! One will first have to define what is good and what is bad.
Concerning what people say, an example from the history of my country, the king at that time was exiled and people said they saw his face in the moon. That's the people...
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Peace All.
For me we live in a physical world not a world of other form/realm.We cannot mix and match between two worlds.
As far as spirituality is concerned for us humans, it has to meam something for us while we are in this world , so what is spiriryality that is beneficial and healthy for us?
One can look spiritual and not be spiritual, or can look unspiritual and be very spiritual. Because spirituality is not really what we generally think it is. Spirituality, is about how much we do for others. It is as simple as that.
There are other things involved, like what spiritual practices you do and your understanding etc. But really, all those things are secondary to that one main point.
How much do you sacrifice for the sake of the world as a whole? For the sake of people who, maybe you don’t like, maybe who don’t know you, but who really need your help. This is what being spiritual is.
It is not about a spooky world or fiction.
Very often there are people who are attracted to spirituality like as a fashion. And they want to wear some supposedly spiritual outfit, and walk around with maybe a very serene expression on their face, and talk endlessly about their strange experiences and stories.There are bad spiritual teachers. Bad how? Bad in terms of maybe their motive isn’t quite right and they’re after money or status or .... Bad maybe in that they say what they think people want to hear rather than what they believe is true.
Bad maybe in the fact that they just simply don’t have much understanding about real spirituality and should very much be in the position of being a student of learning about spirituality rather than a teacher of a wrong kind of spirituality because their need/ ego gets in the way.Basically one should learn to distinguish between a good spiritual teacher and a bad one.
The spiritual world should be left alone while we deal properply with this world first. My view.
GOD bless you all.
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Hi Huruf
Thank you for your reply, but I can't see how is that related to what I asked. You didn't understand my intention. I didn't say I want to get illuminated to see stuff, I said I have problem with what people saw when these spiritual eyes opened for them (from the stories and sayings I heard about). And I'm trying to see if there's any chance that it's not correct what they interpreted...
The question is in the "seeing". We tend to translate things into something that we can explain through the senses. Seeing something difficult to describe, that may mean something that goes beyond the senses.
On your problem, you are right, it is YOUR problem. Things are personal , of the "seer". Nobody has got to see the same thing. You will have your own spiritual visions just as each person will have her own visions. Just as writing poetry. Each person will hve her own language, even though many elements are shared, but each person using them her own way. The means of describing a spiritual or an emotional or whatever are one thing, what the essence of the experience is does not depend on how it is described to others.
Spiritual experiences or inspiration or ilumination in any matter are not a curriculum, but experiences, therefore it is not something you can standardize. It is not either anything you can interpret. It is personal, it is yourself. What is there to interpret?
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On matter regarding spiritual experience there's no other better way than to experience it yourselves.
What other 'say' might not be true at all.
Yet only after having the experience yourselves there might be stories from others which matched and resonate with what you have experience by yourselves.Do not feel inferior by the 'stories' of others or even the title of 'pious people', 'seer', 'psychic', 'sheikh', 'imam', 'habib' etc..
You and each of us have direct connection to the infinite creator.All you need to do is ask.... and then you shall receive..
Huruf is correct that usually the experience, when it came, will be a personal one.
It resonate perfectly with you but might not be relatable to others.A small example
An apple falling down from the tree is a normal sight, meant nothing for the general people, but not for Isaac Newton, apple falling from the tree meant everything for him, through it he receive his own AHA! moment, a personalized revelation message addressed to Isaac Newton. -
Not sure when you say about seeing "real shape" people?
Some of my odd experiences,
Once i have felt odd of going out of self during my sleep, me feeling out of body, but it felt like a natural lifting of energy going to your head and feeling of a blissful state, it could all be a dream but.
Previously for many days i was being woken up at nights exactly at 3.00 clock, felt something was wakening me up may be some sounds from the neighborhood, i sit up and think about various things for around 30 minutes and go back to sleep again, i ve read many people had such issues and it may be related to a health issue, but wonder how come at the exact time.
Sometimes i met some unknown people coming to our help or just giving a small gift or snack to eat from nowhere, we feel elated and blessed and feel closer to God.
So each will have some experiences to reinforce their faith on God and that we can call as spiritual..
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Hi Huruf
Thank you for your reply, but I can't see how is that related to what I asked. You didn't understand my intention. I didn't say I want to get illuminated to see stuff, I said I have a problem with what people saw when these spiritual eyes opened for them (from the stories and sayings I heard about). And I'm trying to see if there's any chance that it's not correct what they interpreted...
Salam, sis
I see you seek for something practical. Since I know that possibility "faces" to be showing their "judgement result" / reality /whatever (I don't really know how to express it, I dont understand it and I do not agree with it, I refer to my previous answer) is only possible on "the Day" if you research the Quran. Now what you understand with "face" and "the Day" and all the relevant... is up to you.
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But you gave the answer already to yourself. It is absolutely possible, that the interpretation is not correct. Even for someone, who has been given some knowledge of interpretation (for whatever reason), there is the problem to stick exactly to what has been given to him, not to add even a tiny bit, not falsify it over time. And the worst is to think this is something rare and special. Jafar is correct.
It can absolutely not be a final judgement over a person, because simply of the fact, that the person is still alive. Also consider that there are two totally different aspects in the unseen part of humans. One is simply the level of health/fitness/vitality that can be "seen", so it could perhaps be also health issues.