Muhammad(s) was from????Mecaa/Petra/Palestine??
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So you agree that it is GOD s words Anoushirvan? Quote
"The idea the God's Word is like rain and its effect on Earth belongs to the Jewish tradition.
It is already there in Deuteronomy 32.2 (https//biblehub.com/deuteronomy/32-2.htm)Dt 32.2 May my teaching drop as the rain, my speech distill as the dew, like gentle rain upon the tender grass, and like showers upon the herb.
"My speech distill as the dew" the verb used in the Hebrew text is nazal (https//biblehub.com/hebrew/5140.htm) which is cognate to the word nazala in Arabic, with the same meaning to flow, trickle, drop, distill."
So why your claim of "written by a Jewish mindset " before then? Or what is your point?
Or are you saying the Jews also had a scripture from GOD so they copied Qoran from it?
GOD bless you.
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Sorry GL, but I don't understand your point at all and moreover you seem to have a strange way to twist my words.
What I have written above is clear and you are just quibbling in bad faith.
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Have I misquoted you brother?
Explain what is clear please.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Anoushirvan,
I am in agreement with the viewpoint of The Quran as having a linguistic style that is from a broader 'Semitic' scriptural archetype which is important for people to understand and acknowledge. It proves the continuity of the revelations and is inherent in the verse that mentions that the keepers of past scripture will recognise The Quran as being from the same source. This is especially so with the emergence of The Nineteen Sign which presents mathematical proof.
There is an antipathy towards earlier Scriptures by many so called 'muslims', brushing off and dismissing previous scriptures out of hand as 'corrupted' and unworthy of further study which is detrimental to the advancement of wider scriptural understanding.
While I would agree that the covenant and laws they contain are now lapsed, their contents still have validity for study of links and connections to The Quran. We have discovered extraordinary things in this respect and we are writing these up in a book which will be distributed gratis in perpetuity soon, The God willing.
I intend to write some of this up here shortly, The God willing on the thread I have been using here to introduce these ideas called 'The Nineteen Mirror Sign' that you can find if you are interested. There are quite interesting links with respect to the 'rain' concept that has been apparently 'randomly' selected in this thread.
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So who is the author of Qoran?
That is the main issue and point of my discussion with brother Anoushirvan.The style you talk about is obvious that GOD s words whether to Jews, Christians or any other communities of the past are consistent and have the same style. message and guidance of submission to Him Alone.
So of course there is similarity of style in all scriptures of GOD.GOD bless.
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Have I misquoted you brother?
Explain what is clear please.
GOD bless you.
Peace.You take my words out of the context of my pitch, and you twist their meaning to make me say what I did not say.
This way of debate is to make turn in madness like in the schoolyard.
It's not the first time I notice that from you. Until then I haven't said anything, but now it's enough.You are free to disagree with me, but stop constantly seeking contradictions in my words, there isn't, and defend your own opinion instead.
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Peace Anoushirvan.
In that case I apologise to you.
I have no intention of upsetting you.
Please forgive me.
My understanding of Qoran s mindset and "Islam" is similar to this view in general.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=coTKSH_YN7E
Thank you brother for the conversation.
GOD bless you.
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Peace,
Your questions and your statements are expressed ambiguously and you can probably surmise that I lean towards precision as a rule. Nevertheless I want to address your question as if it were sincere.
The answer is that you either know or you don't know, but only you can 'know' the answer to what you have asked.What I tell you makes no difference if you are unwilling to accept what I am writing.
The Quran was not transmitted to humanity as a written text. It was not a written book that fell to earth from the sky. It is not a revelation that was written down for the transmitting prophet but rather came to him as a recitation. Sounds which he heard or received into a brain that was ready, chosen, and equipped to decode the information into semantic concepts which were understood in the Arabic language. It was written down later as script with no dots and vowelling dashes. We only understand from it whatever we can, from whatever text has reached us.
So The Koran, as we have it today is a 'book' that arose from revealed concepts received by a human mind more than fourteen centuries ago. Despite this, its existence predates the creation of humanity and the human intellect that is now able to decode it. We can only understand it because of the process that The God has set in place that turned a Word into a universe, filled with particles and enrgy, that became stars and planets, and water with molecules, from which life emerged and humans arose from. Chapter 55, Al Rahman contains this miracle condensed in its first four verses.
Al Rahman
Taught The Koran
Created humankind
Taught them explication.The Koran precedes humans and in this sense the entire universe is 'The Koran' in that everything we witness is in a record clear, the 'Master Record' that The God has and is absolutely sovereign over. The book that we call The Koran is therefore information about sounds (which our ears can transmit), or which are able to be recorded as script (which our eyes can transmit), to a human brain that can be deciphered to teach us concepts necessary for our success in this universe and what comes after we all inevitably die.
It is a self contained representation of the concepts from the 'Master Record' that prove the existence of The God and which has all the information necessary for us to become, if we are sincere, guided by The God to be of those nearest.
Al Rahman, The All Capable. The Owner of Majesty and Bestower of Honour..
So who is the author of Qoran?
That is the main issue and point of my discussion with brother Anoushirvan.The style you talk about is obvious that GOD s words whether to Jews, Christians or any other communities of the past are consistent and have the same style. message and guidance of submission to Him Alone.
So of course there is similarity of style in all scriptures of GOD.GOD bless.
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It is from the Lord of the universe.
I do not disagree with that.Besides everything created /existing predates /existed in a record and plan of the creator before it was created.
GOD bless you.
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Peace,
I was not exactly talking about style, like tone or rhythm, but something else.
Qur'an, like any other argumentative text, has its own style and rhetoric.
Style is usually unique to an author or even to a text.There is no "Jewish style" when it comes to "write" a Scripture.
What I was talking above is the core concepts that Qur'an message leverages.
Those are indubitably mostly coming from the Jewish tradition and borrow to the Jewish way of teaching the divine will by using some kinds of parables, allegories, metaphors or wordplay based on phonic sliding.It is also important to note that various ancient Jewish authors, though having strong diverging views about the divine will, nevertheless used the same techniques.
So using the same kind of parable or allegory doesn't mean that the message is the same.
The authors quarreled with each other using the similar parables or allegories but with slight variations.
This is why you would find in Qur'an similar stories than in the Bible or apocryphal Scriptures, but not quite exactly the same. The differences reflect slightly diverging views between Qur'an and other Scriptures about their understanding of the divine will.