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Do you think God is separate from us?

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    ayman
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    Do you think God is separate from us?
    Yes
    No
    I don't know
    Others
    Thanks for your inputs

    I think that the god is separate from us but we are not separate from the god.

    Peace,

    Ayman

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      Houriya
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      I clarify my question

      Is there a physical separation between all of creation and God?

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        imrankhawaja
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        Nobody can give the correct answer except God himself.

        Human can only choose the "dont know" option its not any harm admitting we dont know instead of claiming something on wishful thinking.

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          Houriya
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          How do you undestand the following verses

          8 17 It was not you who killed them, but it was God who killed them. And it was not you who launched when you did, but it was God who launched. And so that the believers would be tested well by Him. God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.

          941 Did We not comfort your chest,
          942 And take from you your burden,
          943 Which had put strain on your back?

          6719 Have they not looked to the birds lined-up together above them, and they contract? It is the Almighty who holds them. He is Seer of all things.

          36 He is the One who pictures you in the wombs as He pleases. There is no god except He, the Noble, the Wise

          2680 "And if I am sick, He is the One who cures me.

          937 And He found you lost, and He guided you?
          938 And He found you in need, so He gave you riches.

          3343 He is the One who yusallee (from salat) upon you, along with His angels, to bring you out of darkness and into the light. And He is ever Merciful towards the believers.

          3356 God and His angels yusalloona upon the prophet. O you who believe, you shall salloo upon him, and comply completely.

          The verses where God says he is closer to us than our jugular vein, he is the first and the last, the apparent and the intimate.

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            jkhan
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            I clarify my question

            Is there a physical separation between all of creation and God?

            God is One.. No one before Him and No one after Him.. No-one equal to Him..

            We were nothing.. There is a period we were nothing to be called.. So physically we were not there... God is absolute..

            I strongly believe God is separate... We are just creations..separate entity..

            God doesn't need us, but we rely on Him.. That makes us separate...

            We are separate, but we can't be separated from God to proceed our journey destined..

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              Houriya
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              Peace,

              I agree, we are not separate from God, his spirit is in us. The verses quoted show the intimate connection between the Creator and his creation.

              Peace.

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                Houriya
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                God is everywhere.
                Only the one infinite Creator exists.
                He is the apparent /the exterior/the visible and the inside/the intimate/ the invisible.
                God is the Light of the heavens and the earth.
                We are a piece of universal consciousness.
                we are divided into a multitude of forms, interconnected despite the apparent illusion of physical separation.
                We are all one.

                2115 And to God belongs the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is the face of God. God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.

                2435 God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which there is a lamp, the lamp is encased in a glass, the glass is like a radiant planet, which is lit from a blessed olive tree that is neither of the east nor of the west, its oil nearly gives off light even if not touched by fire. Light upon light, God guides to His light whom He pleases. And God sets forth examples for the people, and God is aware of all things.

                1529 “So when I evolve him, and blow from My Spirit in him, you shall yield to him.”

                329 Then He evolved him, and blew into him from His Spirit. And He made for you the hearing, the eyesight, and the minds; rarely are you thankful.

                6612 And Mary, the daughter of Imran, who safeguarded her chastity, so We blew into it from Our Spirit, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Books; and she was of those who were devout.

                5016 And We have created the human being and We know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than his jugular vein.

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                  Houriya
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                  Peace

                  3683 Therefore, praise be to the One in whose Hand is the sovereignty / malakootu of all things, and to Him you will be returned.

                  7185 Have they not looked at the dominion / malakooti of the heavens and the earth, and all that God has created? Perhaps their time is drawing near; so in which narrative after this one will they believe?

                  2388 Say "In whose hand is the sovereignty y / malakootu of all things, and He protects while there is no protector against Him, if you know?"

                  675 And it is such that We showed Abraham the kingdom/malakoota of the heavens and the earth, so that he will be of those who have certainty.

                  2156 He said "No, your lord is the Lord / rabb of the heavens and the earth, the One who initiated them. And I bear witness to such."

                  5683 So when the time comes and it reaches your throat.
                  5684 And at that moment you look around.
                  5685 We are closer to it than you are, but you do not see.

                  6164 Say "Shall I seek other than God as a Lord when He is the Lord / rabbu of everything?" And every soul earns what is for it; and no bearer may carry the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you of what you disputed in.

                  23116 So, Exalted is God, the sovereign, the truth, there is no god except He, the Lord of the noble Throne.

                  Peace

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                    Houriya
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                    He is the first / al-awwal and the last / alakhir

                    2870 And He is God, there is no god except He. To Him belongs all praise in the first / al-oola and in the last / al-akhira , and judgment belongs with Him, and to Him you will be returned.

                    Wherever we turn, there is the face of God.

                    5526 Everyone upon it will fade away.
                    5527 And the face of your Lord will remain/yabqa; One with Majesty and
                    Honor.

                    Only God exists, we will be returned to him, the source, the first and the last.

                    2888 And do not call besides God any god, there is no god except He. Everything will fade away except His face. To Him is the judgment, and to Him you will be returned.

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                      tutti_frutti
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                      salam

                      my understanding

                      The God is separate, He is Himself

                      He tells us that when He wants something He says to it Be, and it is... that is all

                      we should not necessarily equate “rou7” to spirit as that is just what humans defined rou7 to be without any knowledge

                      we are explicitly told in The Quran that we have little knowledge of what rou7 means

                      we are told that there is NONE like The God

                      He is Himself, point
                      He also literally told us where He is ... on His throne above the waters

                      saying The God is in every creature (may The God please forgive me for such utterance) is similar to what sikhism says and i understand that is very very wrong

                      The God tell us He is CLOSER to us than out jugular veins (He knows everything what we conceal or make evident etc ...)
                      He does NOT say He is IN us (may The God please forgive me for such utterance)

                      i think we should not guess and say what we have no explicit knowledge of

                      that is my understanding

                      peace

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