Preservation of the Quran

Jafar

In Quran 159, it says dhikr will be preserved, dhikr have other meanings too, so how can we know whether Quran is preserved?

The reminder (dhikr) were is and always be preserved, meaning appearing always through time through zillion of means delivered to zillions of beings.
That's what matter isn't it?

The rest is actually doesn't matter.

There were eons where a book titled Quran was not even compiled yet, but the Dhikr is always there.
There will be eons where a book titled Quran will be long forgotten and gone, but the Dhikr is always there.
There are zillions of being who doesn't even know about a book titled Quran, and they all received the Dhikr.

Noon_waalqalami

In Quran 159, it says dhikr will be preserved, dhikr have other meanings too, so how can we know whether Quran is preserved?

peace, clearly separate which "the reminder" was present with prior generations …

1643 وما and not ارسلنا sent we of من from قبلك before you الا except رجلا menfolk of نوحي we inspire اليهم towards them فسلوا so ask ye of اهل individuals الذكر l-dhikri/the reminder ان if كنتم be you لا not تعلمون knowing

381 ص saad والقران and/by the Qur'an ذي owner (contains) الذكر l-dhikri/the reminder

http//britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/asian-and-african/2016/04/the-british-librarys-oldest-quran-manuscript-now-online.html

https//i.postimg.cc/qv0rPf9Q/ch37v170-ch38v9.jpg

Rauf_Murtuzov

the word " l-dhik'r" has been used many times in the Quran

http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=*kr#(1594)

seekingtruth1111

8521 No, it is a glorious Quran.
8522 In a tablet, preserved.

Rauf_Murtuzov

8521 No, it is a glorious Quran.
8522 In a tablet, preserved.

I agree that the Quran is preserved. But I don't how to prove when some people claim Quran is not preserved. The verse you send refers to al-lahw al-mahfuz (the Preserved Tablet), it is also mentioned in the Quran 659, 2775.

shukri

Method used https//al-muzzammil.com/relevance_miracle/19_based_calc.html
Findings Based on my analysis, I think the word "الذِّكرَ" (the reminder) in verse 159 is meant for the Quran...

The reminder is meant for "القُرءانِ الحَكيم"
159 Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.
362 And the Koran, the wise/judicious (وَالقُرءانِ الحَكيمِ) ... quran corpus
--> 362 159 = 19061 x 19
P1 (Scenario Described)
L5 (Detailing Information)
The reminder is meant for "القُرءانِ ذِى الذِّكرِ"
159 Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.
381 S. S/C/SAD and the Koran (owner) of the reminder/remembrance (ص وَالقُرءانِ ذِى الذِّكرِ) ... quran corpus
--> 381 159 = 20061 x 19
P1 (Scenario Described)
L5 (Detailing Information)

OR
159 Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.
381 S. S/C/SAD and the Koran (owner) of the reminder/remembrance (ص وَالقُرءانِ ذِى الذِّكرِ) ... quran corpus
--> (1) (9) = 1 x 19
P1 (Scenario Described)
L1 (Precedence)

The reminder is meant for "القُرءانِ المَجيدِ"
159 Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.
501 K and the Koran, the most glorious/exalted (ق وَالقُرءانِ المَجيدِ) ... quran corpus
--> (1) (9) = 1 x 19
P1 (Scenario Described)
L1 (Precedence)

Thank you.

Anoushirvan

Salam,

Dhikr is not Qur'an, i.e. no one at the time of Qur'an messenger would have understood it that way.

Dhikr comes from the ancient Judaic concept of the pledge for salvation (zakar) that God will flawlessly fulfill, a promise that God made to Abraham.

In the Gospel of Luke, we find this passage in chapter 1

67 His father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied

68 “Praise be to the Lord, the God of Israel, because he has come to his people and redeemed them.

69 He has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David

70 as he said through his holy prophets of long ago,

71 salvation from our enemies and from the hand of all who hate us—

72 to show mercy to our ancestors and to remember his holy covenant,

73 the oath he swore to our father Abraham

74 to rescue us from the hand of our enemies, and to enable us to serve him without fear

75 in holiness and righteousness before him all our days.

While this is not obvious either in the English translation nor in the Greek text, when we read the oldest Syriac translation, the Peshitta of Old Syriac Sinaitic Palimpsest, there is a pun between the name Zechariah and the word "remember" in verse 1.72
dnᶜbd ḥnnᵓ ᶜm ᵓbhyn wᵓtdkr ldytqwhy qdyštᵓ

seekingtruth1111

I agree that the Quran is preserved. But I don't how to prove when some people claim Quran is not preserved. The verse you send refers to al-lahw al-mahfuz (the Preserved Tablet), it is also mentioned in the Quran 659, 2775.

Question is where or what is this tablet where Quran is preserved?

Noon_waalqalami

Question is where or what is this tablet where Quran is preserved?

peace, nineteen is simpleton stuff with millions of multiples

8522 في in لوح lawhin/tablet محفوظ guarded

to convince mathematicians find Qur'an pattern large prime!
e.g. find unique prime number each chapter or entire Qur'an

https//primes.utm.edu/largest.html

largest known prime is 2^82,589,933 − 1 (24,862,048 digits!)

2267 الله l-lahi/the god (including 112 chapter titles is prime!)
240 والله wal-lahu/and the god
139 بالله bil-lahi/in the god
116 لله lillahi/to god
27 ولله walillahi/and to god
8 تالله tal-lahi/by the god
6 فالله fal-lahu/so the god
6 فلله falillahi/so to god
1 وتالله watal-lahi/and by the god
1 ابالله abil-lahi/is in the god

2811 total occurrences
-112 less chapter titles

2699 total is prime!

https//www.dcode.fr/primality-test

seekingtruth1111