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    TellMeTheTruth
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    Salam!
    Yes! Jannah and Hell both exist at the time.
    Peace!

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      Yes;

      5122 In the heaven is your provision, and what you are promised. (Paradise and hell are both ready and outside the world, in the sky)

      The prophets living in Paradise will be summoned to the court as witnesses on the Day of Judgment

      7711 And when the messengers are gathered.

      heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe
      Heavens = universes
      The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.
      But it is not infinite.
      Seven universes, for example.
      Other universes have planets too.
      65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.
      Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe
      Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.
      21104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.
      3967 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.

      Quran A man came running from the farthest part of the city, saying "O my people, follow the messengers. Follow those who do not ask you for any wage, and are guided. Why should I not serve the One who initiated me, and to Him is your ultimate return? Shall I take gods besides Him? If the Gracious intends any harm for me, their intercession cannot help me in the least, nor can they save me. Then I would be clearly astray. I have acknowledged your Lord, so listen to me! It was said, "Enter Paradise." He said "Oh, how I wish my people only knew of what my Lord has forgiven me, and made me of the honored ones."We did not send down upon his people after him soldiers from the sky; for there was no need to send them down. For all it took was one scream, whereupon they were stilled. (3620-29)

      1956 And recall in the Book, Enoch; he was a man of truth, a prophet.
      1957 And We raised him to a high place.

      355 For God said "O Jesus, I will terminate your life, and raise you to Me, and cleanse you of those who have rejected, and make those who have followed you above those who have rejected until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, all of you,so I will judge between you in what it was that you disputed."

      Prophets and very good peoples in Paradise now. They were created in Paradise (floor of Lord/other universe) without waiting for the Hour.

      But, Other people will wait for the Resurrection for re-creation.

      The Qur'an says that a group of exception people are already living in Paradise.

      And it even tells us that some of them are talking about the world's inhabitants. They say "they(World peoples) will come to us later". However, it is difficult to see them for you because the English translations of the Qur'an do not provide complete sentences.
      Likewise, the verses of the Lord's Floor are also mentioned, but you cannot see it again in English translations. Because, unfortunately, those under the influence of traditional interpretation make translations in their own understanding.

      Yes, according to the Qur'an there are already people living in Paradise.
      And that's where Christians believe that Jesus is in paradise.

      In the false Gospels, the event was described incorrectly, so you could not see the painting until today.
      Jesus and all other messengers/ prophets live in paradise now.

      3169 Do not count that those who are killed in the sake of God are dead. No, they are alive at their Lord receiving provisions.
      3170 Happy with what God has granted them from His grace, and they rejoice in those who have yet to follow after them. There is no fear upon them nor do they grieve.
      517 Ingrates indeed are those who have said, "God is the Messiah the son of Mary." Say, "Who has any power against God if He had wanted to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother, and all who are on earth!" To God is the sovereignty of heavens and earth and all that is in-between; He creates what He pleases. God is capable of all things. (Jesus and his mother living in other universe, Like other prophets...)

      848 He will then receive an easy reckoning.
      849 He will return to his family in joy! (The person who is called from Paradise to the day of judgment will return to Paradise again with joy)

      5313 Indeed, he saw him in another descent.
      5314 At the ultimate point.
      5315 Next to the eternal Paradise.
      (Even when the prophet Muhammad lived in the world, he was taken to visit the universe of the Hereafter/ Floor of Lord)

      567 You will be in three groupings.
      568 So those on the right; who will be from those on the right?
      569 Those on the left; who will be from those on the left?
      5610 And those foremost, who will be from those foremost?
      (8th verse about peple who after the apocalyptic blessing will enter the paradise, 9th verse about who will enter hell, and the 10th verse talking about the already pioneering group living in Paradise. Thus, the three classes mentioned in verse 7 are completed)

      1993 When all there is in the heavens and the earth will but come to the Gracious as servants.

      1956 Recall in the book Enoch; he was truthful, a prophet.
      1957 We raised him to a high place.
      (Enoch is living in Paradise now)

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        Peace all

        I specially address here those who think that the Janna/Garden on which after Judgement take place do already exist...

        I think better understand the difference between Janna and Earth and samawathi... And their usage. Let me explain my take of above three words according to Quran ...

        Janna = Garden.. Be it on Earth(Ard) or Samawathi (Heavens) .. Whatever type of gardens.. Pleasant place to live..

        Ard = Earth / Land... Only on Earth not in samawathi..

        Samawathi = Not on Earth... Anything above Earth until the edge / ceiling of it and beyond it too.. What we see and what we don't see..even beyond concrete structure of sky where there are gates...

        God promises for the believers Janna in many a verses on the day of ressurection .. Just bring a single verse saying that God will place the believers in samawathi... Sometimes I may have missed.. But samawathi + Ard is God's creation..

        Do you say that what is mentioned in the below verse do exist already?

        3133 "And hasten to forgiveness from your Lord; and a Garden (Janna), the extensiveness of which is the heavens (samawathi) and the earth(Ard), it is prepared for those who guard"

        Further below verse confirms All what God created is non other but Earth(Ard) and Heavens (samawathi) ONLY.. .. In which only everything do exist.. then only He established His Throne..

        754 "Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority) He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds"

        Below two verses God promises to RE-CREATE earth and heavens.. And it is a promise for Him.

        3681 "Is not He who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the likes of them? Yes, ; and He is the Knowing Creator"

        21104 "The Day when We shall roll up the heaven as a recorder rolleth up a written scroll. As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it. (It is) a promise (binding) upon Us. Lo! We are to perform it"

        Below verse clearly indicates that both on the Earth and Heavens creatures living even up until the day of Ressurection .

        2787 "On the day the Trumpet is blown, and terrified is whosoever is in the heavens and earth, excepting whom God wills, and every one shall come to Him, all utterly abject;"

        But if you deeply study all above verses and compare, you will find that Janna is the next Destination for believers... God has not yet created it... Coz He has not yet destroyed his first creation earth and heavens...since He used WORD FIRST and since only claiming that He is capable of Creating again.. We can't deduce that He has already created.. Further supported by saying once He rolled the Heavens only He creates /repeats the next..

        Further in verse 21104 and 3967 are used same ṭā wāw yā ... to say fold / roll. So both the verses speak about entire Heavens are rolled and will be in God's hand.. About Earth not just earth but extra word used Entire Earth will be in grip of hand ..
        So it is very clear that destroyed Earth and destroyed Heavens are in God's hands.. So by this time God would have created New Earth and Heavens... Coz first Trumpet to second Trumpet He would have completed His second creation which is 3133... No one knows the time lapse of first trumpet to second trumpet...
        All judgement will take place on the destroyed earth while it is on the grip of God. That time earth and heavens separate..
        Then newly created heavens and Earth will be brought near in which will be the Janna and Jahanna.. Newly created Earth and heavens are not in the hands of God.. It will be how it is now..

        I gave little extra explanation... But my comprehensive understanding is that God will create not created...

        Don't complicate Janna with heaven.. 5122 very clear that Rizq is from sama(sky/ heaven)
        Just compare 5122 with 222 " who made for you the earth a bed and the sky a ceiling and sent down from the sky (SAMA) , rain and brought forth thereby fruits as PROVISION(rizq) for you. So do not attribute to Allah equals while you know"

        Without sama there is no provision in current Earth... Earth is useless without sama/sky..provision do come to earth coz sama has the ingredients for it.. Don't fail to ponder that..

        These verses never conclude that JANNA which is waiting for believers is in samawathi... Definitely there are Janna in samawathi now in which garden and fruits there where Adam and crew once lived from which food were brought for some on earth ( Maryam, people of Isa, musa) ... But width of Janna that God gonna create is massive 3133...that's a massive earth like we live now and could be even bigger coz Garden itself only the width of heavens and Earth . ..

        Specially Critics, brickbats and even comments are welcome to augment knowledge ..

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          Number 1
          These verses never conclude that JANNA which is waiting for believers is in samawathi... Definitely there are Janna in samawathi now in which garden.

          Number 2
          Further below verse confirms All what God created is non other but Earth(Ard) and Heavens (samawathi) ONLY .. .. In which only everything do exist.. then only He established His Throne..

          754 "Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority) He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds"

          Salam dear jkhan!
          Number 1
          Above quote shows how you divert from your own presented verses and confuse the readers.
          Number 2
          As per your claim where is this "janna in samawathi" is mentioned within 6 day creation list?

          Below are 4 ayats for your reference

          1. أَمَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ فَلَهُمْ جَنَّاتُ الْمَأْوَىٰ نُزُلًا بِمَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ ﴿السجدة ١٩﴾
          2. عِندَهَا جَنَّةُ الْمَأْوَىٰ ﴿النجم ١٥﴾
          3. فَإِنَّ الْجَحِيمَ هِيَ الْمَأْوَىٰ ﴿النازعات ٣٩﴾
          4. فَإِنَّ الْجَنَّةَ هِيَ الْمَأْوَىٰ ﴿النازعات ٤١﴾
            The word الماوی is common among them. What does الماوی mean? Share your understanding after reading them.
            5315 is related to an event in the Prophet's life. So it cannot be a future event. Do you think it will happen on the judgement day?

          Secondly, 8921، 8111 and 1015 tell what will happen to the earth, mountains and heavens on the judgement day.

          Recreation or repitition of Ard and Samawat means Ard and Samawat not jannah. Comparison of the size of janna cannot be possible if they do not exist. You have no solid evidence that these Ard and samawat will be converted into jannah. However, they would be re-created afterwards and the same cycle will continue again.

          Peace!

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            Salam dear jkhan!
            Number 1
            Above quote shows how you divert from your own presented verses and confuse the readers.
            Number 2
            As per your claim where is this "janna in samawathi" is mentioned within 6 day creation list?

            Below are 4 ayats for your reference

            1. أَمَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ فَلَهُمْ جَنَّاتُ الْمَأْوَىٰ نُزُلًا بِمَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ ﴿السجدة ١٩﴾
            2. عِندَهَا جَنَّةُ الْمَأْوَىٰ ﴿النجم ١٥﴾
            3. فَإِنَّ الْجَحِيمَ هِيَ الْمَأْوَىٰ ﴿النازعات ٣٩﴾
            4. فَإِنَّ الْجَنَّةَ هِيَ الْمَأْوَىٰ ﴿النازعات ٤١﴾
              The word الماوی is common among them. What does الماوی mean? Share your understanding after reading them.
              5315 is related to an event in the Prophet's life. So it cannot be a future event. Do you think it will happen on the judgement day?

            Secondly, 8921، 8111 and 1015 tell what will happen to the earth, mountains and heavens on the judgement day.

            Recreation or repitition of Ard and Samawat means Ard and Samawat not jannah. Comparison of the size of janna cannot be possible if they do not exist. You have no solid evidence that these Ard and samawat will be converted into jannah. However, they would be re-created afterwards and the same cycle will continue again.

            Peace!

            Peace..

            Your number 01..

            Those who confuse only rush to answer without reading properly... No readers came up with any answer saying confusing them... They may have difference of opinion.. That's okay.. It's you again got confused...evdn anyone says confused let them read well.. Read well what I have written TMTT.. I use words with much pondering on Quran not with rush of blood for the sake of argument... 235 is more than enough that there is Janna in samawathi and in it Adam lived.. Later on only Adam was sent down to Earth..

            Your number 02..

            I don't divert anyone.. It is fallacy of readers like you... .. Did I tell you that God created Janna in 6 days? What a shame saying my claim closing your eyes.. . From where you get these nonsence and spoil the topic.. .. God confirms that He created the Earth and heavens in 6 days... But He confirms that Adam was requested to live in a Garden / Janna... Same God says after Adam's violation of order, Get down to earth that is your place for some time.. And after that no one is allowed to near the extreme samawathi.. If tried they will be chased...

            Don't forget and keep in your memory very well before raise any questions that God created the Earth and heavens only.. And in which everything.. And again God will create Earth and heavens only in which everything will be... I don't say this but God says.. So simple.. Has He created anything else for any of His entire creatures.. If so, He would have told.. Like.. The creator of such and such.. But No.. But He is Creator of Earth and heavens in which all exist...

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              Salam!

              I use words with much pondering on Quran not with rush of blood for the sake of argument... 235 is more than enough that there is Janna in samawathi and in it Adam lived.. Later on only Adam was sent down to Earth..

              Ok. My questions to all readers¡

              1. Please go through this quote and refer to 235 and context and let know if it tells rhat jannah of Adam is in samawathi and and cannot be beyond them reference to 5533—35.

              2.Also let know if Adam was the Only one who was sent down on earth, as per Quran.

              Thank you, all!
              Peace!

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                Salam!

                Ok. My questions to all readers¡

                2.Also let know if Adam was the Only one who was sent down on earth, as per Quran.

                Peace!

                Didnt you read in one of my replies that I used Adam and crew... Do you think, that I would ever say that God dropped Adam on Earth all alone leaving his wife and iblees and his gang....

                Don't try to change what I wrote by highlighting to your taste... If it gives the meaning of Adam only (all alone) by that sentence I am sorry for wrong grammar... But if you read meaning of Only in English.. I think what I wrote is correct..
                If still grammatically wrong... So sorry.. Read it as " only then Adam.. "

                For your info.. Adam was accompanied by many... What can Adam do on the earth all alone.. So funny..

                Salam!

                Ok. My questions to all readers¡

                1. Please go through this quote and refer to 235 and context and let know if it tells rhat jannah of Adam is in samawathi and and cannot be beyond them reference to 5533—35.

                Just read my reply # 04 ... What I wrote samawathi is... Either you don't understand or you are intentionally denying God's verses...
                Sorry to say.. In future, I will only respond to genuine questions of you.. That's worthy.. Coz I feel you don't deserve my answers...

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                  Salam brother jkhan!
                  Nevermind. Hope below is a genuine question.
                  Below are 4 ayats for your reference

                  1. أَمَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ فَلَهُمْ جَنَّاتُ الْمَأْوَىٰ نُزُلًا بِمَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ ﴿السجدة ١٩﴾
                  2. عِندَهَا جَنَّةُ الْمَأْوَىٰ ﴿النجم ١٥﴾
                  3. فَإِنَّ الْجَحِيمَ هِيَ الْمَأْوَىٰ ﴿النازعات ٣٩﴾
                  4. فَإِنَّ الْجَنَّةَ هِيَ الْمَأْوَىٰ ﴿النازعات ٤١﴾
                    The word الماوی is common among them. What does الماوی mean? Share your understanding after reading them.
                    Thanks!
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                    Salam brother jkhan!
                    Nevermind. Hope below is a genuine question.
                    Below are 4 ayats for your reference

                    1. أَمَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ فَلَهُمْ جَنَّاتُ الْمَأْوَىٰ نُزُلًا بِمَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ ﴿السجدة ١٩﴾
                    2. عِندَهَا جَنَّةُ الْمَأْوَىٰ ﴿النجم ١٥﴾
                    3. فَإِنَّ الْجَحِيمَ هِيَ الْمَأْوَىٰ ﴿النازعات ٣٩﴾
                    4. فَإِنَّ الْجَنَّةَ هِيَ الْمَأْوَىٰ ﴿النازعات ٤١﴾
                      The word الماوی is common among them. What does الماوی mean? Share your understanding after reading them.
                      Thanks!

                    If these are genuine question first let me know what's the question and second right it in English so all will know what you did ask... Mention chapter and verses... That's would make all readers life easy

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                      salam

                      i think paradise and hell already exist

                      The God says “we have prepared” hell so i am guessing hell is already there (as in 4813)

                      also we are told there are seven heavens and they will become gates ... we are also told hell has seven gates and for each there is a segment of people.. i understand hell to be the seven heavens and earths

                      we are also told the earth will change and that (as i understand) believers if they had certainty they would have seen hell of their living but that they will see it for sure when brought back to life after death

                      we are also told that every human will pass over hell and be in hell on his knees (1970-72)

                      we are also told that the seas will be set ablaze

                      i believe hell to be the seven heavens and the seven earths and we are actually in the lowest hell

                      and i believe paradise to be above the seven skies perhaps beneath the Lord’s throne as we are told mohammed pbuh was taken to the utmost boundary near which is the garden of refuge and that paradise is as wide as the skies and the earth

                      so i think paradise alreasy exists and hell too (i think we are in lowest hell)

                      (also adam and his wife i understand were in paradise so maybe it exists already)

                      please verify for yourselves as my arabic isnt that good so i compare arabic with translations when reading the Quran and my understanding could also be flawed and misguided

                      peace bothers and sisters

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                        @tutti fruitti,

                        thank you for the interesting perspective and views.

                        But if this life is already the 'lowest hell', why would God not make this clear in the Qur'an? This life is more described as 'the life of this world', it's never explicitly stated in the Qur'an to my knowledge that we are currently in a type of hell. And some people seem to be really enjoying themselves in this life. There are a lot of ups and downs. I mean we have blessings such as movies, the internet, music, friends, hobbies etc. here. Would a lowest hell have such things?

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                          salam sarah

                          by taking the different descriptions of hell and other mentions of it, i came to the conclusion that earth is hell (of course, perhaps i am wrong)

                          i dont think it really matters if we have lots of blessings here as tou mention, since everything will be destroyed, the earth levelled and changed into another earth a.k.a. hell

                          i could gather the verses that led me to this conlusions and share them if you want

                          peace

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                            salam

                            i think paradise and hell already exist

                            The God says “we have prepared” hell so i am guessing hell is already there (as in 4813)

                            also we are told there are seven heavens and they will become gates ... we are also told hell has seven gates and for each there is a segment of people.. i understand hell to be the seven heavens and earths

                            we are also told the earth will change and that (as i understand) believers if they had certainty they would have seen hell of their living but that they will see it for sure when brought back to life after death

                            we are also told that every human will pass over hell and be in hell on his knees (1970-72)

                            we are also told that the seas will be set ablaze

                            i believe hell to be the seven heavens and the seven earths and we are actually in the lowest hell

                            and i believe paradise to be above the seven skies perhaps beneath the Lord’s throne as we are told mohammed pbuh was taken to the utmost boundary near which is the garden of refuge and that paradise is as wide as the skies and the earth

                            so i think paradise alreasy exists and hell too (i think we are in lowest hell)

                            (also adam and his wife i understand were in paradise so maybe it exists already)

                            please verify for yourselves as my arabic isnt that good so i compare arabic with translations when reading the Quran and my understanding could also be flawed and misguided

                            peace bothers and sisters

                            Peace everyone..

                            8123 "And he has already seen Gabriel in the clear horizon"

                            By above verse it confirns that what Mohamed saw in chapter 53 is non an nothing but Jibreal and his Decendig ..
                            Note special word usages of these verses...
                            dāl lām wāw .....
                            nūn zāy lām....
                            These words mean something coming down or puting down.. Gibreal in fact came down to Earth where Mohamed was... Not Muhamed went up and saw what he saw.. No evidence at all in any of such verses...
                            Gibreal decended showed himself in the highest horizon and came so close to him... And stand firm ... And revealed... Revelation always decended and not tookplace by ascending... Sunnah of Allah never change for any messenger..

                            Regarding Sidra/lote tree...
                            3416 "But they turned away , so We sent upon them the flood of the dam, and We replaced their two gardens with gardens of bitter fruit, tamarisks and something of sparse lote trees"

                            Above verse in Earth..

                            And below verse in Janna ..
                            5628 "Among thornless lote-trees"

                            So nothing special of lote tree...

                            Mawa is just ABODE.. Be it in Janna or Jahanna or any place of abode...

                            How do you prove that Mohamed ascended by any of these verses... Read carefully chapter 53... You can't decide non other but Decendig....
                            So once decended there are gardens and it depends which place jibreal decended. On this earth gardens are created by God... Never discard that God has used Janna in many a verses to refer gardens of this earth...

                            If one claims this Mawa is in samawathi... Fine.. Coz we know there is / are Janna/s in samawathi as I stated earlier.. But jibreal decended.. And nothing of mohamed ascending is mentioned.. So that makes anyone's approach to claim otherwise is very fragile ..

                            God says he didn't lie what he SAW...what he saw in fact? decending of Messenger Jibreal... Not once twice... That's all he saw..

                            It is not necessary for jibreal to show himself everytime when he decend... It was all to strengthen the prophet initially ..

                            Read the verses 11107 and 108... Ponder over it... God claims Janna and Jahanna life continues as long as the Earth and samawathi endures.. Why? If Janna believers are destined to live is in samawathi..then endurance of samawathi only enough in verse 11108.. No need the endurance of Earth.. Sane question for verse 11107 . Remember God destroys the current earth and heavens.. Then He talks about His second creation and its endurance...
                            So do Janna and Jahanna already exist?
                            By these two verses, we can clearly deduce that Janna and Jahanna is on earth which definitely has samawathi.. Without samawathi NO Earth.. Without earth NO samawathi.. God never rolled the earth but only samawathi.. Earth separate and entire samawathi separate.. That's what He recreates again as He promised..

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                              Sarah
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                              @tutti fruitti,

                              salam

                              So are you saying that earth will become hell but is not hell right now?

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                                @jkhan

                                salam,

                                thank you for the answers.

                                What do you mean by mawa and samawathi?

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                                  @jkhan

                                  salam,

                                  thank you for the answers.

                                  What do you mean by mawa and samawathi?

                                  Salam..
                                  Regarding your two questions...
                                  Samawathi is very clear within Quran if you read all Sama and samawathi verses and how they are used to explain things.. God made out of one Sama seven... I have replied to this question in another topic to TMTT..
                                  Samawathi extends from above earth surface to the ceiling of last sama and what is on top of it... Accordingly, We breath in sama... Rain Clouds and clouds gathering in sama.. Blue sky in sama, Sun and moon in sama.. Darkness in sama, Stars are in sama.. Jins approach to steal hearing is sama(concrete) ... Nothing can force through the last sama... Likewise God would have assigned seven heavens and there functions.. All these sama make samawathi seven.. But definitely each sama has its own function different to one another in its quality and function.. ... So one can research and verify what they could be.. But unfortunately it only works in stationary Earth...

                                  Mawa is just abode be it pleasant or unpleasant...

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                                    I get the impression paradise already exists.

                                    If 'paradise' here means a 'state'.
                                    A state of happiness, peaceful-ness, blissful-ness.. then yes it already exist and always exist.
                                    And you can find such state within yourself, you actually don't need an 'external' stimulus for that, such as a specific place or physical location.

                                    The way to understand this is
                                    Imagine yourself as a blind woman, blinded since birth you can't see anything externally, just darkness.
                                    Would beautiful scenery be something that is useful for you to feel happy, peaceful and blissful?

                                    Now turn the perspective around, when you are already feel happy, peaceful and blissful?
                                    Would you still need external environment to feel happy, peaceful and blissful?

                                    Find it within your own self and you will realize that such state is a very powerful state.
                                    It can even turn any 'hellish surrounding environment' into a paradise.

                                    The reverse is also true, when you feel fearful, anger, upset, distressed, sad, guilt, painful within.
                                    Then you will turn any environment to be a 'hellish environment' for you.

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                                      1335 The parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised!- beneath
                                      it flow rivers perpetual is the enjoyment thereof and the shade therein such
                                      is the end of the Righteous; and the end of Unbelievers in the Fire.

                                      4715 A similitude of the Garden which those who keep their duty (to Allah) are promised
                                      Therein are rivers of water unpolluted, and rivers of milk whereof the flavour changeth not,
                                      and rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers, and rivers of clear-run honey; therein for them
                                      is every kind of fruit, with pardon from their Lord. (Are those who enjoy all this) like those
                                      who are immortal in the Fire and are given boiling water to drink so that it teareth their bowels?

                                      The afterlife is unseen.

                                      Does it exist already? What difference does it make?

                                      Give good news to those who believe and lead a righteous life that they will
                                      have gardens with flowing streams. When provided with a provision of fruits therein,
                                      they will say, "This is what was provided for us previously." Thus, they are given
                                      allegorical descriptions. They will have pure spouses therein,
                                      and they abide therein forever.

                                      peace

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                                        TellMeTheTruth
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                                        1335 The parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised!- beneath
                                        it flow rivers perpetual is the enjoyment thereof and the shade therein such
                                        is the end of the Righteous; and the end of Unbelievers in the Fire.

                                        4715 A similitude of the Garden which those who keep their duty (to Allah) are promised
                                        Therein are rivers of water unpolluted, and rivers of milk whereof the flavour changeth not,
                                        and rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers, and rivers of clear-run honey; therein for them
                                        is every kind of fruit, with pardon from their Lord. (Are those who enjoy all this) like those
                                        who are immortal in the Fire and are given boiling water to drink so that it teareth their bowels?

                                        The afterlife is unseen.

                                        Does it exist already? What difference does it make?

                                        Give good news to those who believe and lead a righteous life that they will
                                        have gardens with flowing streams. When provided with a provision of fruits therein,
                                        they will say, "This is what was provided for us previously." Thus, they are given
                                        allegorical descriptions. They will have pure spouses therein,
                                        and they abide therein forever.

                                        peace

                                        Salam, brother hawk!

                                        I wonder how do you translate 1854
                                        And We have certainly diversified in this Qur'an for the people from every example; but man has ever been, most of anything, dispute.

                                        Peace!

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                                          Peace All
                                          God knows that the majority of human are not going to accept the true surrender to Him. They are not going to accept that GOD wants this true surrender and acceptance as a first step/criteria towards giving them the guidance and understanding of His message.
                                          In fact ,deep down in their conviction,they doubt that GOD Alone can guide. They think their intelligence,, ego,or other"gods"'clever humans/scholars/...can guide them better.
                                          So they argue their case despite clear evidence that GOD s message is full of examples and lessons of those that are disobedient and arrogant(like Ibless for example)
                                          1854 "We have cited/given in this Quran every kind of example, but the human being is the most argumentative creature"
                                          GOD says that paradise exist/will exist.( There will be one for sure when it is needed). While here in this life it is pointless arguing either way or where exactly it is.
                                          For example this will happen
                                          The day will come when He says, "Call upon My partners, whom you claimed to be gods beside Me," they will call on them, but they will not respond to them. An insurmountable barrier will separate them from each other.

                                          And in here the example of hell
                                          "The guilty will see Hell, and will realize that they will fall into it. They will have no escape therefrom."

                                          More example from the past humans
                                          "Nothing prevented the people from believing, when the guidance came to them, and from seeking the forgiveness of their Lord, except that they demanded to see the same (kind of miracles) as the previous generations, or challenged to see the retribution beforehand."

                                          "We only send the messengers as simply deliverers of good news, as well as warners. Those who disbelieve argue with falsehood to defeat the truth, and they take My proofs and warnings in vain."

                                          The criteria of total acceptance and trust in GOD is very important
                                          "Who are more evil than those who are reminded of their Lord's proofs, then disregard them, without realizing what they are doing. Consequently, we place shields on their hearts to prevent them from understanding it (the Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus, no matter what you do to guide them, they can never ever be guided."
                                          So paradise exist or will exist and we will all know for sure after this life.
                                          GOD is inviting all of you there
                                          "Yet, your Lord is the Forgiver, full of mercy. If He called them to account for their deeds, He would annihilate them right there and then. Instead, He gives them a respite until a specific, predetermined time; then they can never escape."
                                          Do not let disbelief,arrogance and disobedience make fall into "hell"
                                          GOD bless you all.
                                          Peace.

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