Homosexuality In Islam
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salam sonia haque
this is my understanding
homosexuality may be a test on some people only and not others... why not?
some have to struggle everyday to find food and water .. some have lost their whole families ... some are very ill ... some have have been abandoned by their husbands or wives and finish their lives alone ... some are blind aome are deaf some have no limbs ... etc
in His infinite mercy, The God clearly warned us that we will be tested ... and told us that no sould is burdened by more that it can take, that after hardship comes ease, that we mist be patient, that this life is just delusion, that He replies to those who IMPLORE, to remember Him and He will remember us ...
He gave us the answers to our struggles and the hope we need )
if one loves and fears The God ... one can do anything for The God ...
and frankly i think sexual abstinence is nothing
i am someone who abstains completely and that includes not even thinking about it as per my understanding of a verse that says to avoid indecency (fahisha) of what is concealed and what is evident
so i understand NO dreaming of sex either whether one is hetero or homosexual (however i do not know if that includes dreaming of sex with permissible partner)having to be abstinent is definately NO excuse for anyone to disbelieve
lot pbuh invited his people to refrain from it .. so i understand if it were a curse lot pbuh would have just left the town without having warned his peoole and invited them to refrain ... so i understand homosexuality is perhaps a test
please do not be fooled by those who say it is permissible and start to find interpretations on the verses where there are none ... i think it was clear that homosexual acts are a very grave sin!
in my opinion, please support them infinitely if they need your help in their faith and lives but do NOT encourage them in the acts and do not tell them it is okay to engage in such acts but rather invite them to refrain ...
Who created death and life to test you which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving (672)
we are clearly told this life is test ... please do not apostate and come out of this life as a CHAMPION ! )
peace )
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No one ever answers me when I ask
What if you find out your sibling is gay?
How would you feel if you come to know that your sibling’s spouse has been a secret gay all his life because society objected to who he truly is?
By banning marriage for gays, do we not contribute to rise in STDS?
Do we have the right to prevent one from getting the kind of love that heals all sorts of physical pain and illnesses?The verse about Sodom is talking about rape by straight men. God condones extramarital sex. Many straight people have the misconception that their fake homosexual midnight hour isn't included in that.
Actual homosexual men are not attracted to women. Also they look and behave feminine. Same is true for lesbians. Their body structure is of males.
The whole idea about “lengthy” test is a misconception that suits only mainstream Islam. God has already said those who follow his guidance will not have to grieve. He has literally given us the power to warp reality. Timeline is not linear and no straight person is immune to waking up in the morning inside a homosexual body. Let's be careful.
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No one ever answers me when I ask
What if you find out your sibling is gay?
How would you feel if you come to know that your sibling’s spouse has been a secret gay all his life because society objected to who he truly is?
By banning marriage for gays, do we not contribute to rise in STDS?
Do we have the right to prevent one from getting the kind of love that heals all sorts of physical pain and illnesses?The verse about Sodom is talking about rape by straight men. God condones extramarital sex. Many straight people have the misconception that their fake homosexual midnight hour isn't included in that.
Actual homosexual men are not attracted to women. Also they look and behave feminine. Same is true for lesbians. Their body structure is of males.
The whole idea about “lengthy” test is a misconception that suits only mainstream Islam. God has already said those who follow his guidance will not have to grieve. He has literally given us the power to warp reality. Timeline is not linear and no straight person is immune to waking up in the morning inside a homosexual body. Let's be careful.
My question is worse than that Reel...
I ask them what if father and son have sex.. Mother and daughter... Just coz they are attracted.. So natural leave them.. No...
Some may claim they don't harm anyone... No one need to harm anyone to do a crime which is in the sight of God is evil...
If good ethic person who lractices idolworship is harming anyone... He is living in his world harmless to anyone coupled with if he is vegetarian... He is innocent... But is he innoect in the eyes of God?
When Nuh said to his son get into the ship... He loved his son.. So natural.. But It doesn't mean God also loves him... We can't support anything which God is against... That's so vital -
I think I didn't only ask for everyone's opinion, I also asked for the feedback on the article which was shared. The dispute on this topic is going for ages i dont think it's going to go anywhere. That article raised valid points so i wanted to know what others think. Anyways there's no use starting the same old debate which would go nowhere. But to answer your question, is incest actually normal ? Do any organism exhibit incest ? My biology is not that strong and I haven't studied past my 12th standard, but do animals naturally exhibit the tendency to be incestuous ? I dont think any scientist or studies have claimed that incest is natural. Plus doesn't Quran allows incest to some degree. You are allowed to marry your cousins,aunts/uncles ? The only valid argument i have seen from anti LGBTQ+ group is that Quran hasn't described marriage between people of same gender. If we are to take everything literally from the story Lot then we can conclude that Quran allowed lesbianism, because by default what is not forbidden in Quran becomes permissible
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What do you derive from the verses which talks about Sodom and Lut? I am someone who has never seen homosexuality as something wrong, immoral, sinful and abnormal. Despite the fact that i have been a sectarian, I have shown my full support to gays and lesbians even though i used to believe homosexuality is haram in Islam. Recently i found an article on homosexuality and it was really so great. And i agreed with it. I want to discuss it with y'all and want to see your input and opinions on that article. Your feedback is much appreciated.
https//lampofislam.wordpress.com/category/same-sex-relationship/
Salam Sania,
My feedbacks on the article
(1) Usage of "bal" particle
In https//lampofislam.wordpress.com/2017/10/10/the-story-of-lot-condemns-xenophobic-hate-not-homosexual-love/ the author argues that the use of particle "bal" in verses related to Lut's people is supporting his view that it is not about sexual orientation which makes them punished.
This is how the author translated the verses (I highlighted the translation of "bal" particle in bold)
And Lot, when he said to his people Do you commit an outrage such as no one among the nations has exceeded you therein,/ For you really approach men with desire besides women? NAY, BUT (No, instead,) you are a people who transgress the limits. 780-81
Do you approach the males of the nations?/ And you leave what your Sustainer created for you of your mates? NAY, BUT (No, instead,) you are a people hostile, aggressive. 26165-166
And Lot, when he said to his people Do you commit an outrage while you see clearly?/ Do you really approach men with desire besides women? NAY, BUT (No, instead,) you are a people who act ignorantly. 2754-55
I checked the usage of "bal" particle in Quran and I found that "bal" particle is also used to emphasize (not only to retract).
Some examples in Quran (I highlighted the translation of "bal" particle in bold)
Is it that each time they make a pledge, a group of them breaks it? Alas, most of them do not believe.
In 2100, the "bal" particle does not retract previous statement mentioned in the verse. It emphasizes that most of them indeed do not believe.
And We have given to Hell many of the Jinn and mankind; they had hearts with which they did not understand, and they had eyes with which they did not see, and they had ears with which they did not hear. They are like livestock; no, they are even more astray. These are the unaware ones.
In 7179, the "bal" particle does not retract previous statement mentioned in the verse. It emphasizes that they are even more astray.
The leaders who rejected from among his people said “We do not see you except as a mortal like us, and we see that only the lowest among our people who have no opinion have followed you. And we do not see a thing that makes you better than us; in fact, we think you are liars.”
In 1127, the "bal" particle does not retract previous statement mentioned in the verse. It emphasizes they even think that Noah is liar.
Based on these, the author's argument that the usage of "bal" particle in verses related to Lut's people is supporting his view, is weak. As per examples from Quran, the "bal" particle can also be used to emphasize, which in this case against the author's view.
(2) Assaulting men from other nations
In https//lampofislam.wordpress.com/2018/02/05/lots-people-assaulted-men-from-other-nations/ the author argues that it is about assaulting men from other nations.
Lut prayed asking God to save him and his family. Are Lut and his family from other nations than Lut's people?
“Do you approach the males of the worlds?”
“And you leave what your Lord has created for you of mates? You are an intrusive people!”
They said “If you do not cease O Lot, you will be among those driven out.”
He said “I am in severe opposition to your acts!”
“My Lord, save me and my family from what they do.”I guess two feedbacks on the articles from me are enough for now )
Wassalam,
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Do any organism exhibit incest ? My biology is not that strong and I haven't studied past my 12th standard, but do animals naturally exhibit the tendency to be incestuous ? I dont think any scientist or studies have claimed that incest is natural. Plus doesn't Quran allows incest to some degree. You are allowed to marry your cousins,aunts/uncles ? The only valid argument i have seen from anti LGBTQ+ group is that Quran hasn't described marriage between people of same gender. If we are to take everything literally from the story Lot then we can conclude that Quran allowed lesbianism, because by default what is not forbidden in Quran becomes permissible
I guess you mistakenly mixed up sectarian culture with Quran. Happens, but this is not a matter of debate for us since God already covered it in
423 Prohibited to you are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And the wives of your sons who are from your loins, and that you take two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.
My question is worse than that Reel...
I ask them what if father and son have sex.. Mother and daughter... Just coz they are attracted.. So natural leave them.. No...
Some may claim they don't harm anyone... No one need to harm anyone to do a crime which is in the sight of God is evil...
If good ethic person who lractices idolworship is harming anyone... He is living in his world harmless to anyone coupled with if he is vegetarian... He is innocent... But is he innoect in the eyes of God?
When Nuh said to his son get into the ship... He loved his son.. So natural.. But It doesn't mean God also loves him... We can't support anything which God is against... That's so vitalUmm, when it comes to sex there is more than meets the eye. It isnt all about sinning and getting God angry. Unfortunately, too many out there have been irresponsible with the thing and hence attack anyone who is interested in discussing the truth. I still see Quatum biology as light at the end of the tunnel. Just have to wait for it to become more mainstream.
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Salam Sania,
My feedbacks on the article
(1) Usage of "bal" particle
In https//lampofislam.wordpress.com/2017/10/10/the-story-of-lot-condemns-xenophobic-hate-not-homosexual-love/ the author argues that the use of particle "bal" in verses related to Lut's people is supporting his view that it is not about sexual orientation which makes them punished.
This is how the author translated the verses (I highlighted the translation of "bal" particle in bold)
And Lot, when he said to his people Do you commit an outrage such as no one among the nations has exceeded you therein,/ For you really approach men with desire besides women? NAY, BUT (No, instead,) you are a people who transgress the limits. 780-81
Do you approach the males of the nations?/ And you leave what your Sustainer created for you of your mates? NAY, BUT (No, instead,) you are a people hostile, aggressive. 26165-166
And Lot, when he said to his people Do you commit an outrage while you see clearly?/ Do you really approach men with desire besides women? NAY, BUT (No, instead,) you are a people who act ignorantly. 2754-55
I checked the usage of "bal" particle in Quran and I found that "bal" particle is also used to emphasize (not only to retract).
Some examples in Quran (I highlighted the translation of "bal" particle in bold)
Is it that each time they make a pledge, a group of them breaks it? Alas, most of them do not believe.
In 2100, the "bal" particle does not retract previous statement mentioned in the verse. It emphasizes that most of them indeed do not believe.
And We have given to Hell many of the Jinn and mankind; they had hearts with which they did not understand, and they had eyes with which they did not see, and they had ears with which they did not hear. They are like livestock; no, they are even more astray. These are the unaware ones.
In 7179, the "bal" particle does not retract previous statement mentioned in the verse. It emphasizes that they are even more astray.
The leaders who rejected from among his people said “We do not see you except as a mortal like us, and we see that only the lowest among our people who have no opinion have followed you. And we do not see a thing that makes you better than us; in fact, we think you are liars.”
In 1127, the "bal" particle does not retract previous statement mentioned in the verse. It emphasizes they even think that Noah is liar.
Based on these, the author's argument that the usage of "bal" particle in verses related to Lut's people is supporting his view, is weak. As per examples from Quran, the "bal" particle can also be used to emphasize, which in this case against the author's view.
(2) Assaulting men from other nations
In https//lampofislam.wordpress.com/2018/02/05/lots-people-assaulted-men-from-other-nations/ the author argues that it is about assaulting men from other nations.
Lut prayed asking God to save him and his family. Are Lut and his family from other nations than Lut's people?
“Do you approach the males of the worlds?”
“And you leave what your Lord has created for you of mates? You are an intrusive people!”
They said “If you do not cease O Lot, you will be among those driven out.”
He said “I am in severe opposition to your acts!”
“My Lord, save me and my family from what they do.”I guess two feedbacks on the articles from me are enough for now )
Wassalam,
Thank you for your first feedback. I cant even argue about it because i dont even know arabic (only know how to read it)
As for the second one, didn't these people not only raped the men of other nations, they used to practice all kind lewd acts with each other as well ? Lut as could be asking to save his family not only from the attack of the community but also from falling for the temptations of these disgusting acts ?. -
Peace All.
Before I comment on the link, I want to highlight a big issue that is not clear to me.
I make a big difference between a homosexual person and GOD s laws that apply to all of us. of except very few .
There exist different types of people including the homosexuals , heterosexuals, bisexuals ...etc
The question for me is two fold
1-Is the homosexual person condemned/wrong just by having the feeling and inclination towards the same sex human?
2- Can the homosexual person,break GOD s laws if they follow GOD and His message?Then we can see that we are dealing with two subjects;
1- The person that is different like other differences of other humans in a lot of other things.
2- The act/laws that govern the behaviour of all the different humans including the homosexual.Here we all have a choice to either follow GOD s laws or ignore and follow our own desires and choices.
For example can we say that the homosexual does not need to follow GOD s law of sexual behaviour if they follow Qoran?
Or these laws are for everybody else but homosexuals?.Then we can discuss what Qoran says about sexual behaviour for all.
Then we come to rights and wrongs and who decides what is right or wrong?The link does not make this distinction for me.
Of course according to Qoran we should not say to peaceful/good people they are not believers or call them or reject them. We treat them the same as any other human., .
I have to accept that we are all different and GOD accepts or rejects according to His deep knowledge of who is breaking the laws or not. And GOD Alone is forgiver Merciful even to those who break the laws.
However GOD has given us a code of conduct ,and sexual conduct is detailed in Qoran, like sex before marriage,adultery,sex with different partners,divorce...etc.I hear this argument often,may be justified for a lot of people Are homosexuals not entitled to sex with partners?
This leads to another issue of why are the natural things set up the way they are for the majority of people by GOD?
For example
Creation of male and female sex organs.
Anus and mouth and other,, have not got a natural sexual function.
reproduction and inheritance of genes. only through the cell of both sex organs.
...etc This altogether is another subject of deeper reflection .
My view is this
As humans we have different anomalies/inclinations/ways. We should all respect humans that are peaceful and wish us no harm.
GOD is the judge of the people and will settle our differences.
Those who break GOD s laws the matter is between them and GOD. Those who repent and correct GOD is forgiver most Merciful.
As for "unfortunate" and "rights", I can personally see oppression of all types of people and I can see that a lot of people are deprived of all sorts,including sex through no fault of their own. They can be alone most of their life or disabled orany other type.
GOD created the laws, GOD judges, GOD will settle the matter between all of us.
For me, I will be a hypocrite if I say I follow Qoran and not follow GOD s laws as I understand them.
GOD bless you all.
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Thank you for your first feedback. I cant even argue about it because i dont even know arabic...
Does your Quran say knowledge of Arabic is critical to understand it? Or when checking something in it knowledge of Arabic is critical?
Are you aware of sites like www.StudyQuran.org ? or https//corpus.quran.com ?
This is why I asked you the initial question that I did. It seems to me your approach to Quran is not based on a methodology that would help you filter sound from unsound.
Perhaps this will help you
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Thank you for your first feedback. I cant even argue about it because i dont even know arabic (only know how to read it)
As for the second one, didn't these people not only raped the men of other nations, they used to practice all kind lewd acts with each other as well ? Lut as could be asking to save his family not only from the attack of the community but also from falling for the temptations of these disgusting acts ?.Salam Sania,
I know about that "bal" particle from tools (I don't speak Arabic - if somebody is talking to me in Arabic I would not understand). Same as you, I can read Quran in Arabic without understanding (my sunni legacy).
These are the tools that I use for grammar related to verses in Quran
https//corpus.quran.com/
https//www.personalquran.comUsing those tools, you can know whether the word is noun, verb, pronoun, particle, etc.
Wassalam
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i'm interested in this particular topic about nature of homosexuality and therefore i kinda wanted to share some non-quranic view about what kind of things we were dealing with. i'm going to warn that i believe in the evolutionary process of life so for those of you who believe in creationism, i already warn you/
First and for all, homosexuality is not common for evolutionary perspective. because the purpose of not wanting to be mate by opposite sex in mammal give it disadvantage to preserve life on this earth because the couple can't have any offspring and the means of survival is loss. but even if it's sounds disadvantageous there's still a reason why some animal do it(primate, bird, and some animal capable of building social network). first the research say that homosexual exist when a mother have more children of the same sex, which mean that if you're a male and you have a brother who is straight then the chance you're being gay is increasing, it's called fraternal birth order. most scientist say that there is advantage to this and the purpose is so that it boost overal survival to the sibling without blood spill(because human are social creature). you can find the paper here https//www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780124201903000302
and now understanding verse that talk about people of lot, there's a lot to it than just homosexuality but i don't know if the context is about rape or is the homosexuality is actually forbidden. so there's some hypothesis that i could make about this
- homosexuality is not forbidden and lot people are transgressing their limit on their own behavior(rape, thievery, not polite, etc) that lead their own doom
- the verse talk about how lot people doing will make social instability that can lead to their own doom and gods want to help them but they are refusing because of point 1 and so they spell their own doom.
- god didn't like homosexuality and also people of lot already beyond saving.
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What do you derive from the verses which talks about Sodom and Lut? I am someone who has never seen homosexuality as something wrong, immoral, sinful and abnormal. Despite the fact that i have been a sectarian, I have shown my full support to gays and lesbians even though i used to believe homosexuality is haram in Islam. Recently i found an article on homosexuality and it was really so great. And i agreed with it. I want to discuss it with y'all and want to see your input and opinions on that article. Your feedback is much appreciated.
https//lampofislam.wordpress.com/category/same-sex-relationship/
I don't think the Quran explicitly condemns homosexuality. What Lot said was what Lot said. It is not what God said. I spent most of my life believing homosexuality is fine because it involves two consenting adults, and the Quran not explicitly condemning it. I then found out about people who lust after their own family members. They could also be two consenting adults. To me, it is clearly unnatural, impure, filthy, lewd, wrong, for two family members to engage in a relationship of that sort. Consent is not enough for a relationship to be justified. Incest is unnatural because it involves sex with one's own family. Homosexuality is unnatural because it involves sex with one's own gender.
From a physiological point of view, homosexuality is clearly off. If you were to accept homosexuality, what would stop you from accepting brothers and sister sleeping with each other? To me, they are both unnatural. Yes, I think incest to be pure filth whereas with homosexuality, my disgust and hatred is not as potent. But if I'm entirely honest, I think this is because I was brought up in England. I remember watching a Christina Aguilera video wherein which two homosexuals were kissing. It sickened me. But the context in which it was being portrayed (trying to normalise it, or to say you are beautiful no matter what) may have lead me to put unreasonable efforts into viewing homosexuality as other than a disadvantage (if I'm trying to be kind) or a disease (if I'm being realistic).
The difficulty is that there are homosexuals who claim that they had no choice in the matter. How can they derive any non-lewd form of sexual pleasure? As long as they are gay and homosexuality is a form of lewdness, they cannot. This is a disadvantage. A man being born blind or disfigured is also a disadvantage. People must accept what God has cursed them with, just as they must accept what God has blessed them with. God's reasons are always justified because God is perfect. If we had all the premises with regards to why x was born blind or why x became a homosexual, we would conclude that it was 100% justified. We're Omniscient. We don't have all the premises. But we do now God is Perfect. So in God we should trust.
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Let's not forget Incest is still very much allowed in Islam and even in 21st century muslims practice it.
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Let's not forget Incest is still very much allowed in Islam and even in 21st century muslims practice it.
I don't think it is allowed in Islam.
Incest = sexual relations between people classed as being too closely related to marry each other.
the crime of having sexual intercourse with a parent, child, sibling, or grandchild.Some people think cousins should also be included in that list. Some people don't. The Quran prohibits the above. It doesn't prohibit marrying cousins. I don't think we can say, a relationship between the above list, is anywhere near as off-putting, or disgusting, or clearly lewd, as two cousins having a relationship. If my cousin and my aunt had a relationship, I would think they are diseased. If my cousin had a relationship with another one of my cousins, I would not think this.
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Salam Alaikum Sania,
You are correct. Lut a.s. tells us through "bal" that his town are not approaching men "besides women" i.e. being gay. This is explained in much more depth in a different article here https//thefatalfeminist.com/2020/12/07/prophet-lut-a-s-and-bal-%d8%a8%d9%84-the-nahida-s-nisa-tafsir/
The article I'm sharing goes over more Quranic context to prove the point that the one by Siraj Islam doesn't. It also covers some of the counter points some folks have listed in this thread. Its a good read.
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Salam Alaikum Sania,
You are correct. Lut a.s. tells us through "bal" that his town are not approaching men "besides women" i.e. being gay. This is explained in much more depth in a different article here https//thefatalfeminist.com/2020/12/07/prophet-lut-a-s-and-bal-%d8%a8%d9%84-the-nahida-s-nisa-tafsir/
The article I'm sharing goes over more Quranic context to prove the point that the one by Siraj Islam doesn't. It also covers some of the counter points some folks have listed in this thread. Its a good read.
In Quran, "bal" is also used to emphasize (not only to retract). Some examples
Is it that each time they make a pledge, a group of them breaks it? BAL, most of them do not believe.
In 2100, the "bal" particle does not retract previous statement mentioned in the verse. It emphasizes that most of them indeed do not believe.
The verse 2100 does not explain that a group of them never breaks a pledge that they made, right?
And We have given to Hell many of the Jinn and mankind; they had hearts with which they did not understand, and they had eyes with which they did not see, and they had ears with which they did not hear. They are like livestock; BAL, they are even more astray. These are the unaware ones.
In 7179, the "bal" particle does not retract previous statement mentioned in the verse. It emphasizes that they are even more astray.
The verse 7179 does not explain that many of the Jinn and Ins use their hearts to understand, eyes to see, ears to hear, and they are not like livestock, right?
The leaders who rejected from among his people said “We do not see you except as a mortal like us, and we see that only the lowest among our people who have no opinion have followed you. And we do not see a thing that makes you better than us; BAL, we think you are liars.”
In 1127, the "bal" particle does not retract previous statement mentioned in the verse. It emphasizes they even think that Noah is liar.
The verse 1127 does not explain that those leaders view Noah as more than a mortal, his followers are something, and Noah is better than them, right?
Having shown examples of the usage of "bal" in Quran in which it is used to emphasize, let's ponder on verses related to Lot's people (leaving the "bal" particle untranslated)
And Lot, he said to his people “Do you commit immorality such as none of those of the worlds has surpassed before?”
“You are approaching the men out of desire instead of the women! BAL, you are a transgressing people.”“Do you approach the males of the worlds?”
“And you leave what your Lord has created for you of mates? BAL, You are a transgressing people!”And Lot, when he said to his people “Why do you commit immorality when you can clearly see?”
“You are approaching the men out of desire instead of the women! BAL, you are an ignorant people.”In those verses, is the "bal" particle used to retract or to emphasize?
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أَوۡ یُزَوِّجُهُمۡ ذُكۡرَانࣰا وَإِنَـٰثࣰا
Or Pairing them males and females.
Not males OR females, that would indicate then the choice on what to choose. but that is still arguable.
And obviously the AND is not valid if we understand it as every man has to marry a man and a woman.
It is then that the pairing itself is between males and females.Or Pairing them males and females
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Peace be upon you!
Do not attempt to walk before you can run. You bear full responsibility for your evaluations. You are obliged to thoughtfully research on any subject before making up your mind.
And do not follow what you have no knowledge of. The hearing, the sight and the heart, all these will be questioned for it.
There are quite many opinions regarding this topic. In my opinion, both parties present a reasonable point. However, I would advise you to read arguments from both views. And most importantly, the first and sole source you should derive your final decision from is the Quran.
If I am right, I have seen your posts where you said that you believe in God, but do not know if Islam/Quran is the suitable source for you. Correct me if I am mistaken, I may be thinking of another member in this community. Nevertheless, if it is you, then I would advise you to seek knowledge on more important topics rather than this (if you are not homosexual or the matter specifically addresses you).
By the way, it is not wrong that you support LGBTQ+ and their right to exist and operate freely. Believers should not oppress, because it is worse than murder
... Oppression is indeed worse than murder.
Lastly, I apologise, you will get no direct answer on this topic from me. I have yet not researched this. Thus, I should refrain from issuing any decisions or opinions.
My Lord, admit me an entrance of truth and let me depart an exit of truth, and grant me from You a supporting authority. 1780
